Stone Temple Pilots

ignore the redundancy of "ubiquitous everywhere I went"

Yes, I remember being befuddled at Tiny Music aside from the two or three punkier, rockier tunes. Now I listen to it and I hear a bunch of cool ideas, though not all of them quite get there. They were clearly trying to do something different. I remember being really disappointed by No. 4, which seemed like a return to the Core sound and a bit of a pander, Sour Girl aside. By the time Weiland joined Velvet Revolver, I was done with all of them.

I don't remember Cornell getting anywhere near as much shit as Weiland during the Audioslave era, which was kind of the same exact thing.

i was kinda surprised that so many people loved Audioslave - so fucking bland. and then once Chris finally finished blowing his voice out, you lost the one reason to even maybe listen to them.

I also forgot "Pretty Penny" from Purple, which was def their Zep worship song from that album. so good.

I remember being really disappointed by No. 4, which seemed like a return to the Core sound and a bit of a pander, Sour Girl aside

"atlanta" is also one of their best songs, but otherwise i think this is kinda how i still feel about this record

shangri la dee da split the difference between "hard" and "psychedelic" stp way better than no. 4 imo

*continues to rep for shangri la dee da throughout this thread*

xpost it kinda sounds like "My Favorite Things" at times but yeah it's a good one

I've never heard Shangri La Dee Dah, but tempted to check it out, though it may be too sad at this point.

I can't get past that title.

really think it's their most consistent besides tiny music, though it's also occasionally their corniest ("wonderful" and "a song for sleeping," though "wonderful" is super fucking harrowing now)

an Adam Ant cover?

lol

it's a song for his then-wife, the first line is "if i were to die this morning" :\

I also think some might be misreading faint appreciation/memories as 'adulation' ITT. don't know that any of us actually rate STP in the upper echelon of music.

Yeah, I mean to be clear they're in sort of an in-between zone for me, not quite a favorite but a band I listened to a good amount in my early teens and who were part of my musical fabric. OTOH their music has aged better for me than a lot of their counterparts, e.g. I used to play the hell out of my Jane's Addiction albums back then and I can barely stand them now.

Musically very good imo, lyrically bad, stylistically a little bit wannabe/also-ran/derivative, sure, but I'm too old to worry about poseurishness.

When I was in my 20s they were one of those bands I would say was "actually good" in that challops sort of way.

I never got this band at all fwiw, one of those things where I was always surprised to learn that people really had a strong feeling for them -- but I felt that way about p. much all of alternative nation from the time -- like I can rank all the bands of the grunge/Seattle explosion in what I think is everybody's more-or-less-accepted-order but none of it really reached me then or works for me now. But still I feel an intense grief for how this entire generation of bands, from this scene/style, whether they got rich or had to keep pounding the boards year in and year out, is racked by death and loss -- like, they practically entered the scene that way, when Andrew Wood died before the Mother Love Bone debut even got released. Drug use and death is pervasive everywhere, music or otherwise, obv., but like -- I listen to metal; plenty of metal bros get very deeply into dope; but the 80s thrash scene didn't get as ripped up by its excesses as grunge did. Maybe because there was less money to burn, idk. But it's sad in an especially harsh way for me, that these bands found this style that reached the popular imagination so strongly and then practically all of them crashed and burned somehow, if not immediately then years later.

― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, December 5, 2015 8:55 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feeling this post a lot. fwiw i never really liked STP at all, though i've enjoyed some moments in a few songs (even nirvana really, i dig in utero and esp unplugged i guess but most of their stuff doesn't do too much for me)

i never really knew any major fans of them, just a bunch of friends in the mid-90s who bought their albums because they were part of the group of bands that we all bought albums from in the mid-90s, eg nirvana smashing pumpkins sonic youth maybe a little RHCP, and none of those bands are anything i really care about at all except for a little sonic youth and maybe siamese dream

yep cosign all that (except the part about friends buying STP albums)

but the 80s thrash scene didn't get as ripped up by its excesses as grunge did

this did make me think though - was this just because thrash guys didn't get into smack? I can't imagine junkies playing thrash tbh

hey remind us did anybody you know listen to stp

at least STP were better than that garbage Collecting Soil

this is not something i say often but the mute trumpet solo on adhesive really works

I can't imagine junkies playing thrash tbh

I actually asked Dave Mustaine how he played Megadeth songs while on heroin; he said it was mostly about muscle memory.

xpost i totally forgot about that! agreed

ah right I forgot about Mustaine. feel like all the other crazy thrash-related drug flameouts/deaths (the handful I can recall anyway) were all alcohol/coke/meth-related

i totally say nice things about STP at the top of this thread. which was fun to read. chuck and ned fighting about stabbing westward! oh the times we had.

i don't think i ever knew any big fans of this band either really. but they were kinda after my time and i don't know a lot of younger normal people.

wonder what the reaction will be when everclear dies.

my world of younger normal people

maybe it's more the personality types that make those specific genres of music.

and since we're listing who we know that did-or-didn't like STP – my old boss is crestfallen. i jokingly wrote my condolences on his fb wall and he took it at face value. he is very seriously grief-stricken! I have no doubts he took the week off work and is likely totally inaccessible for anyone one his team.

xposts - holy shit, stabbing westward!

okay, as a for instance, i don't know a single pearl jam fan. or maybe people just don't admit that to me. i think i would really have to know more normal middle-american people or something to know pearl jam fans. people who play softball on the weekend with their work buddies? i think that's a thing people do.

When I worked at Roadrunner Records, I worked with two major Pearl Jam fans. (They were Foo Fighters and Billy Joel fans, too. It was a nightmare.)

wonder what the reaction will be when everclear dies.

p sure they'll be talking about that bear mauling incident for weeks on end

wonder what the reaction will be when everclear dies.

i'll be totally devastated tbh

heh Stabbing Westward. I'll still stan for Whither Blister Burn though I've been told that Ungod was more actual industrial. by Whither, Blister it was clear that they wanted to write pop songs and just kinda threw the industro/dance guitar in around that. but it worked.

they sucked after that. had one in them!

My Purple cassette was played pretty regularly way back then. I should listen to it again.

A couple of years ago, I was playing Rock Band at a friends house and I ended up signing one of their songs. I generally don't pay a whole lot of attention to lyrics so even though I had heard the song possibly hundreds of time before when I got to the "when the dogs begin to smell her" part I was like what the hell is this shit.

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

one of my best friends is a legitimate die-hard pearl jam fan. totally obsessed. he is a wilderness educator and science teacher in a tiny mountain town in CO, grows and smokes a ton of weed and is an amazing father and is super funny and really just a wonderful person tbh. i don't even like pearl jam but obviously there is a point at which one's music taste doesn't mean shit of course

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson)

how much you want?

i'd actually imagine pearl jam fans to be solid citizens who would be good people to be with during a natural disaster. handy. reliable.

isn't some dude a Pearl Jam fan?

I like them too. Pearl Jam's better than STP though.

I know a couple Pearl Jam fans irl. they are Pac Northwest folks (or were during the peak era anyway)

Three of my closest friends are lifelone Pearl Jam fans, which I'm fine with so long as I don't have to shout along to "Yellow Ledbetter" in the car.

I'm a Pearl Jam fan and yeah they're totally better than STP.

I haven't listened to them since that boring avocado s/t album but I like most of the rest. sometimes I'll sing "brain of J" in public for no reason

rip everclear

http://connected-i.com/2011/07/02/art-alexakis-canyon-music-review

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, December 7, 2015 11:30 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would gladly vote and talk about this album

i don't know if you guys really count as fans. like, people who buy all their albums and go see them live. that kind of fan. i know everyone here can think of nice things to say about anything.

I saw them in 2000 on a two hour road trip. I do have the rest of their albums except the last two - I even stupidly spent money on those authorized bootlegs they were selling in the store during the Binaural tour. Bought two of em!

not as big of a fan now but I'll still fuck w/ em all day

I've seen them live four times, drunk through two of those performances. They were never less than excellent.

in middle school i was a huuuuuge pearl jam fan. bought all the records, really wanted to see them but never did

now i can't even imagine myself listening to them but boy, i fucking loved vitalogy and no code

No. 4 was the album for me; get past the red-herring nu-metal singles and it's p much just a cohesive blending of glammy garage rock and shoegaze, with a couple 60s LA pastiches thrown in for good measure. One of the best alt-rock albums from the late nineties.

― Drugs A. Money, Sunday, December 6, 2015 1:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure about that last sentence either way (they weren't quite that good, were they?) But cosign on everything else in this quote. I pull this one out more than any other when I want to hear STP.

I know more IRL Stone Temple Pilots fans than Pearl Jam fans. Almost everyone I knew in middle school preferred Nirvana to PJ; I kinda did, too, but liked both plenty. This was already a few years after grunge peaked, like 1995-1997.

Pearl Jam in concert (2003?) smoked STP (1996), though the latter were perfectly professional, Weiland included. Local H ('member them?) opened for STP and were fucking fantastic.

i'm sure a lot of things from teh grunge years are better than i remember, aside from the general proportion of contemporary junk that got shine from its proximity, but i have trouble hearing any of it. i listen to nirvana and soundgarden and that's it, of the radio stars. i feel confident that there is nothing wrong with pearl jam and they are a perfectly fine band which i loved back when (eddie v snl "K" tribute to kurdt <3) but i… don't ever want to hear them again.

maybe this is how people who were 70s-80s zeppelin fans feel.