Who's the Main Man : Bowie, Iggy or Lou ?

The Blue Mask, Legendary Hearts, and New Sensations are wonderful records, superior to anything Bowie and Iggy released in that period.

Blah Blah Blah is not terrible though.

Anyone defend Brick by Brick? It got lots of boomer praise for its "mature" songs and boomer career revivalist Don Was' production. Guess Iggy benefited from nostalgia as much as the Stones, Dylan, Young, etc.

Ugh

superior to anything Bowie and Iggy released in that period.

that's not saying much, is it !
but yeah, apparently, they're quite good.

Really?

his last album was a grim, rage-filled contrarian "fuck you" move (ie, standard operating Lou procedure) so yeah

I'll give a try at "Blue Mask" and "New York"...

Blue Mask is good, the last one I would recommend unreservedly (Alfred and I differ on this point). New York is fun for the first couple of songs and then becomes something of a po'-faced slog.

Blah Blah Blah is not terrible though.

No, but the production is arguably the worst of anything any of those artists put out in the 80s.

Like one or two tunes on BxB but can't stand the production.

"New York" is kind of an outlier in Lou's catalog in that every single song has the same sound/instrumental setup. The lack of variation is both unusual and (after awhile) grating.

xp

B-b-but what about Rock and Roll Animal?

Magic and Loss is much more samey-sounding than New York

No, but the production is arguably the worst of anything any of those artists put out in the 80s.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat),No, but the production is arguably the worst of anything any of those artists put out in the 80s.

Bowie's production suits "Shades" and a couple others more than it would on, say, NLMD.

B-b-but what about Rock and Roll Animal?

well okay sure but that's a live album, guess I should've specified studio albums (fwiw I don't really like RnR Animal at all)

"New York" is kind of an outlier in Lou's catalog in that every single song has the same sound/instrumental setup.
YOU CAN'T BEAT TWO GUITARS, BASS, AND DRUMS

lol just came across this john mellencamp quote in re: to Lou's New York: "Yeah, it sounds like it was produced by an eighth-grader, but I like it."

hahaha

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thanks for the recommendations !
I'll start with Blue mask, then.
As for Iggy, nothing seems worthwhile after idiot/lust for life...

http://www.toorex.com/_/rsrc/1442393593822/news-page/marc_bolan.jpg?height=356&width=400

write-in for the real MAIN MAN

The Blue Mask, Legendary Hearts, and New Sensations are wonderful records, superior to anything Bowie and Iggy released in that period.

agree 100%-and that's without mentioning Quine on the first 2.

ahah, yeah, I thought about him (since he's on Iggy's t-shirt in the picture) !

/"New York" is kind of an outlier in Lou's catalog in that every single song has the same sound/instrumental setup./
YOU CAN'T BEAT TWO GUITARS, BASS, AND DRUMS

& tbh i love the overall sound of New York, just nicely recorded, crisp sounds, doesn't sound terribly dated. that eighth grader had skillz.

Still wish he had gone back to get his GED

The Blue Mask and LH bombed. Wonder if they would have performed better at the height of boomer revivalism several years later.

he was never exactly a steady hitmaker! 'dirty blvd' benefited alot from the emergence of modern rock radio

Always thought it was deeply weird that that's Dion singing backup on Dirty Blvd, but in the video that part is lip-synced by an old black guy (iirc)

we should all just pay attention to dennis perrin's twitter instead

his 'dressing up as Bowie in high school' blog post was pretty good.

is there an album that has all three together? feels like as much as they all collaborated there should be....

Re-run the thread when Iggy pops his cloggs as 4th option.

they're all only a couple degrees removed from one another (thx to Cale and Eno), but no

xp

"The Blue Mask, Legendary Hearts, and New Sensations are wonderful records, superior to anything Bowie and Iggy released in that period.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:45 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

"Legendary Hearts" is hell of underrated, ha I ignored it for a long time cuz of the dumb album cover

and well duh Bowie worked w both obviously

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is there an album that has all three together? feels like as much as they all collaborated there should be....

I don't think there's an album but maybe a song ?

or at least a session/demo/outtake whatever.

12" version of 'hands across america' maybe

i could be wrong, but i don't think Lou really liked Iggy -- did they become buddies in the latter days?

"The Blue Mask, Legendary Hearts, and New Sensations are wonderful records, superior to anything Bowie and Iggy released in that period.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:45 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

"Legendary Hearts" is hell of underrated, ha I ignored it for a long time cuz of the dumb album cover

I've never read about Lou and Iggy interacting tbh. I can imagine Lou feeling threatened

might just be thinking of Lou dissing Iggy in that Lester Bangs article -- "sweet, but stupid" or something like that.

xxp I think yr right, I think Iggy liked Lou, but Lou...I mean who knows

Also, I thought it was interesting in that Iggy interivew when Bowie died he was very complimentary but also made it sound like they hadn't spoken in yrs & yrs

Malkmus's vote, btw: http://www.nme.com/news/lou-reed/74044

Anyway, this poll...head says Lou, heart says Ig, for me at least

"sweet, but stupid" or something like that.

of course if you took this as an insult Lou would probably come back with "what's wrong with stupid? I love stupid"

My cursory Bowie bio reading this past week led me to believe that Iggy was perhaps Bowie's best rock star friend, but he still considered people like George Underwood his only true friends. Also seem to recall reading about some, um, cat fight between David and Lou.

iirc Lou wasn't all that grateful about Bowie saving his career in 1972

Lou had the best music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyX70ZqsVQ

Lou guitarist Chuck Hammer:

As a guitarist in the Lou Reed band at that time, I was actually sitting next to both David and Lou at dinner when this exchange took pace, I can tell you exactly what transpired verbally.

‘Lou had been discussing details regarding his upcoming new album- as yet un-recorded. Lou asked David if he would be interested in producing the record and David replied yes – but only upon the condition that Lou would stop drinking and clean up his act. And upon that reply, the aforementioned chaos ensued.

‘It should be noted that this verbal bantering also continued into the night back at the hotel -With Bowie in the hallway demanding that Reed “come out and fight like a man” Eventually it all quieted down as Lou never reappeared to continue the fight, and was most likely already fast asleep.’

yeah bowie and reed seemed to patch things up later in life -- think i read they socialized pretty regularly in the 2000s since both were NYC residents?
hard to imagine bowie telling Lou to "fight like a man" but who knows

Bowie would know.

Lou had the best music video:

I assume this is a mistake, since that is not the Original Wrapper video

Thought you told me you didn't do