If you wanna trash spotify, fine, but don't trash forks.
Just for the record, that is exactly what I've been doing. I don't know forks but I enjoy his posts and will concede that he's made some good points / offered some food for thought wrt Spotify and its place here on ILX
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:21 (eight years ago) link
is this really about you riding on a community of experts to put yourself in a good light with a certain organization? because that's sure what it looks like.
This literally has never ever crossed my mind as being a thing that forks' project could possibly look like. What it looks like is a music dork obsessively compiling lists, and then being nice and sharing them with people.
― emil.y, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link
or is this really about you riding on a community of experts to put yourself in a good light with a certain organization? because that's sure what it looks like.
I know that you specified "...to me" afterwards, but I want to foreground it, because I've worked in the music business for 20 years and I cannot imagine viewing forks's project in this light, nor can I imagine anyone I know coming to any comparable conclusion
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:30 (eight years ago) link
Incredibly stupid thread. Fuck off. The playlists are cool. Private message each other. Christ.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:32 (eight years ago) link
Lol "experts"
― lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:40 (eight years ago) link
i'm all for enthusiasm and big projects too. but when that gets used as a tactic to shut down legitimate concerns.. i have to admit that's a pet peeve of mine. since this is such a selfless project, i imagine forks will take into account the preferences of the many artists mentioned in these threads who don't like spotify and who make money from other avenues and include some equivalent way of showing support for these artists in his list-making enthusiasm.
xp to emil.y and joan, fair enough.
― bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:41 (eight years ago) link
Mod Request: please move this thread to Ask Dr. Freud.
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:42 (eight years ago) link
lol this is one of his better ones
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:52 (eight years ago) link
the rolling threads should be paywalled with proceeds going to the experts, who may or may not choose to share with the artists extolled therein
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:53 (eight years ago) link
god you're a fucking lowlife, go back to bed
― bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:56 (eight years ago) link
Okay, just expunged some of the weird mojo of this thread by following some of forks other playlists, in particular Meet Elmo Hope.
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:03 (eight years ago) link
this is an open community with experts in it (i never claimed to be one of them ffs). i'd hate to see it linked to one company out of hand. i care about the bobbins thread and i want more exposure for those artists (i'm under no illusion that some doofus on a message board has an appreciable amount of influence, but why not be enthusiastic about it and do it in a way you think will benefit someone the most?). i wouldn't mind doing a list for just bobbins with links to youtube, discogs, bandcamp, etc. it would probably make more sense anyway because a fair amount of those people release on vinyl only. if forks wants to talk about it more, he can shout at me off this, struggin @ gmail.
― bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:17 (eight years ago) link
i voted no bc the project seems a little compulsive and forks has discussed it using those v words and maybe it would be liberating to be freed from the self-imposed obligation w/ a majority of 'no' votes
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:27 (eight years ago) link
xp i could also put in links to whatever spotify playlist forks wants to make so it's not like a turf thing, just equal opportunity consumption. that's really my issue i guess, artists or listeners who choose not to use spotify are left out. there's the chance to do something that supplements this project (and i'm realizing it isn't neccessarily forks' responsibility to do it). i started this off in a counterproductive way as per usual, hope i can still talk to forks about doing an alternative with the bobbins thread.
― bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:35 (eight years ago) link
we should go back to just downloading mp3s on napster and talking about those
― carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:35 (eight years ago) link
start a poll just to be sure
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:36 (eight years ago) link
Haha, what the fuck is this thread for? Seriously this "issue" needs a thread? Forks, I'm fucking honored that you've included my 2016 Indie thread to your playlist. I have no idea of the internal ILM politics of this endeavor. And frankly, I could give two fucks what those politics are. Seriously, please add whatever contributions are given in that thread.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:36 (eight years ago) link
Lol thomp otm
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:40 (eight years ago) link
wait hold the presses an indie fan doesn't care about politics
― bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Thursday, 4 February 2016 04:47 (eight years ago) link
100% added value to each thread when there is an associated playlist.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:24 (eight years ago) link
i am cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission
― get a long, little doggy (m bison), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:27 (eight years ago) link
only if forks will make a spotify playlist for it. can put all of New Order's Low Life and "Low Life" by the Police, maybe "Speed of Life" off Low...dunno man just spitballin here. I'm just the ideas guy. don't worry I will post Soundcloud links where applicable.
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:29 (eight years ago) link
hey so this is a p silly clusterfuck huh
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:29 (eight years ago) link
pottery
― iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:38 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/KHPIjHf.gif
― Spottie, Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:39 (eight years ago) link
Make my forks the p-forks
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:39 (eight years ago) link
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― Spottie, Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:40 (eight years ago) link
Gotta get back to the base.
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:47 (eight years ago) link
if forks wants to talk about it more, he can shout at me off this, struggin @ gmail
how exportable are their playlists?
would you be open to modifying your project somewhat to include links to bandcamp, discogs, artist websites, youtube? maybe in a platform-neutral format?
I am dead positive that you don't have the slightest idea how much time and effort it takes to read every goddamn post in every goddamn thread and look up every goddamn song and then catalogue every goddamn song and then check back again to see if a new song has been added to the service a month later. And just so I'm entirely clear: your beef is not based on some sort of principled concern but simply that you aren't pleased with the way I am managing a massive, personally motivated and unpaid project? That not only is the soup terrible, but in such small portions? Because seriously, you don't have to give a shit if I do this. That's fine. But you wanna tell me the dance I'm doing that I just made up by myself is wrong?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/a77b23ae0d11eb0a06b7b612f1c26622/tumblr_n02ttfbgEv1t13eyho1_400.gif
is this really about you riding on a community of experts to put yourself in a good light with a certain organization?
As to why I'm using Spotify exclusively, I've answered THAT multiple times (including about ten posts up), but here we go again: it has about an 85% hit ratio; it's a service i personally use (and pay for! in addition to buying music and concert tickets and merch elsewhere!); it's reliable and easy to take on a portable device; it has a less-than-totally janky search engine and a small footprint on my mac (NB: I backtracked to .8.5 and find it prone to crashing but otherwise preferable to the social network bloat it otherwise packs in its current state); it's available internationally so out-of-America ILXors have access; and, crucially, it is available for free on the internet, meaning that it is egalitarian and not class-restricted for the listener! If you can access ILX, you can access spotify and they cost the same! The counterintuitive presumption that I am deep cover astroturfing, even after i have REPEATEDLY avowed that I have no affiliation with the company, is so wrong headed as to be genuinely funny.
my tone about all of this has been so dickish, for which i apologize
i imagine forks will take into account the preferences of the many artists mentioned in these threads who don't like spotify and who make money from other avenues and include some equivalent way of showing support for these artists in his list-making enthusiasm.
i wouldn't mind doing a list for just bobbins with links to youtube, discogs, bandcamp, etc.
http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/10/15/635805362411119546-1401372307_tumblr_nr7zqaDQjg1roohd8o1_400.gif
I will subscribe and listen! I wish people would grassroots this shit and fill in the blanks and make my project obsolete! It would make me SO HAPPY! But hey, little something for you to think about: when you do finally get around to making that bobbins list, take a moment to think about how it would feel to make that same list... twenty-seven more times. Then update all those lists nonstop for a year. Then, just as you start your second year on this mad sisyphean task, imagine some rando, holier-than-thou motherfucker leans in and starts screaming FUCK YOU SOUNDCLOUD IS MURDER ARTISTS RIGHTS as the first step toward voicing their opinion, then follows that up with a poll asking who gave you permission to do the thing you felt like doing in the first place, then accuses you of being a double agent for The Orchard. Once you've worked through that particular thought exercise, I believe you might understand why I find you, your argument and this thread utterly fucking absurd.
Mordy OTM.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:47 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvZeYDBY4fw
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:50 (eight years ago) link
ILM's Rolling 'Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?' 2016 Spotify Playlist
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:51 (eight years ago) link
Let me go on record as saying that James Redd is cool with forksclovetofu and is slightly disappointed that he has yet to cross paths with him at some musical event in NYC. As far as the rolling playlists, I briefly looked at a few related to threads I participated on and found it a really interesting and useful exercise to try to pair up the tunes with the posts and think about how much I forgot or misread.
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 05:58 (eight years ago) link
I'm going to this tomorrow if you wanna come out JR:http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?799857
And KING at LPR Friday!
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:00 (eight years ago) link
forks can you please make a separate playlist for each David Bowie guitarist. thanking you in advance.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:03 (eight years ago) link
oh shit, i wanna see KING!
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:04 (eight years ago) link
also forks your most recent playlist, linked just above, is some of your best work.
ILM's Rolling David Bowie's Guitarists 2016 Spotify Playlist
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:07 (eight years ago) link
xavier mcdaniel.
― Zachary Taylor, Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:10 (eight years ago) link
I'm going to this tomorrow if you wanna come out JR:http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?799857🔗And KING at LPR Friday!
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:10 (eight years ago) link
Oh hey, I just realized what this thread might be good for: I've been transferring old audio tapes to spotify. My father (who's a rare record dealer and an ethnomusicologist) made most of these for me when I was a kid. They're important mixes and the sequencing has defined the way I understand the music. That "Elmo Hope" playlist referenced up there is one of those. But the blues and funk and jazz mixes are SO important to me because I was like this as a kid too, so I listened to those C90s front to back a gazillion times and they are burned into my brain forever. I should maybe post links here.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:12 (eight years ago) link
Blues 1Blues 2Blues 3Blues 4
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:13 (eight years ago) link
hey matt prick what is your (long standing) problem?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker
― salthigh, Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:17 (eight years ago) link
thought "Blues 4" playlist would have 50 Eve 6's "Here's to the Night"s
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:18 (eight years ago) link
lol, no those are legit.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:19 (eight years ago) link
So denied so I lied, are you the now or never kind?In a day and a day love I'm gonna be gone for good againAre you willing to be had? Are you cool with forks tonight?Here's a toast to all those who hear me all too well
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:20 (eight years ago) link
the neat thing about getting your old dubbed tapes into digital format playlists is that you can relive pivotal moments.
like 'Dewey Square' was the first time i consciously remember hearing birdCharlie Parker
and 'Pee Pee Cluck Cluck' was my first time hearing TootsSka and Reggae 1
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:22 (eight years ago) link
or all these mixes that my sister mailed to me when she was at school in Memphis and i was working at a library in Murfreesboro killing time in the stacks with my walkman on, wondering what the fuck my life was gonna be, just about to drop out and get a job at the local salvation army. i wish we were closer now but man does this sequencing evoke a fragile time for me.
Jole's Playlist 1Jole's Playlist 2Jole's Playlist 3
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:26 (eight years ago) link
Or this sterling playlist of Percy Mayfield, Charles Brown, King Pleasure, Eddie Jefferson and Peppermint Harris, which I guarantee you cannot find a bad track on. I've tried!
More Vocal Jazz
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:30 (eight years ago) link
uh wow this thread
i for one am completely psyched when forks makes playlists out of the emo thread, it is a delight
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:39 (eight years ago) link
if you would like a platform neutral format to check out the songs mentioned in the rolling threads, might i suggest......,,...the rolling threads
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 February 2016 06:40 (eight years ago) link