Classic? Beyond classic, fucking godlike more like. Try the _Live Seeds_ album, _Kicking Against the Pricks_ or _Let Love In_.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
There's been a real shift in how Cave is perceived. When I first started reading the press he was always treated as this borderline nutter goth smack freak, now he's an Important Figure, and in between there was this oh-it's-another-Nick-Cave-album period, which would always qualify the "He's good" with a big "But". I think that got it right, pretty much.
A handful of stunning tracks though - "Mutiny In Heaven", "Tupelo", "The Mercy Seat", "The Ship Song", "Do You Love Me?", "Stagger Lee". So surely not a dud.
― Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― the pinefox, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
The Good Son proved the leonard cohen territory was his ie a very well structured running sequence, and ambience that almost saves also-rans like "weeping song", but he dropped the ball on Henry's Deam so badly that i really haven't been able to bother much since
I mean there are a few songs on Let Love In, but for me that's as patchy as the album that preceeded it (Henry)
i believe he can only do so many really good ballads though, and that he's revisited those same ballads so often with the recent albums
i say there're have been so few rock songs that i can count them -- "The good son" & "the hammer came down", "Long time man", "Jangling Jack", "John Finn's wife" -- that's one or at most two good rock songs for each of those albums ! (oh "papa won't save you Henry", "who will be the witness", "jack the ripper", "weeping song" all lousy songs, such rock-by-numbers stuff, will not save him)
go back to your funeral my trial for the whole range, great title track ballad through the true freak-show feel of "The Carny", (better than anything the residents had produced for oh, so-long), and then the great whine-o-drone of "long time man" and the succinct birthday party punch of "scum" -- a classic album, from when Cave had to produce decent stuff to keep his job and maintain and propogate his reputation
"Murder Ballads" a great Aussie cash-in for then career dwindlings of Kylie and Nick (and what an unexpected couple !! proving they're both really show-biz and contenders for legit. rock star -- i thought Cave had some outsider cred -- maybe this was needed to break the concept to new audiences ?? it worked i suppose, but just a big-budget re-rendering of "long time man" idea to me)
ok the birthday party and early bad seed stuff didn't get the easy pay-checks the concept and oomph of their mere presence deserved as real-life art in the public eye, sogood luck to him for those initial flashes of real brilliance
maybe he'd be best served by a "greatest rock songs" and "greatest 'love' songs" double greatest hits, and then save those good songs for singles and forget the nine-yards albums
(ie you should not produce a whole filled out album if you don't have enough good songs)
― george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
― otto midnight, Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Tijn, Thursday, 26 June 2003 17:07 (twenty years ago) link
I've only heard three Cave solo tracks: his cover of Neil Young's "Helpless," which I love, his cover of the Beatles, "Let It Be," which I despise, and that song "I'll Love You Till The End Of The World," which is pretty nice. I'm guessing people would recommend The Good Son as the place to start checking out his solo work? From Her To Eternity?
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link
I trust many of you already know what my full first name is.
Mmm hmm.
So, um, what about my opinion regarding Nick Cave? Well, when you're able to selfishly claim that song for yourself, what other answer can you have but CLASSIC? All those naysayers can just kiss me. And Momus? I happen to like Kylie Minogue, too. She comes from a magical little place with little elfin fairies who spread their pixie dust all across this land. What do you say about Kylie's collaborations with the Manic Street Preachers? MSP also like Kylie.
But back to Nick Cave. Classic. A surprising one, too, considering how little I actually care for country. But I like this brand of graveyard country rock. And damn, I need to play "City of Refuge" now.
― Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (twenty years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link
What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?
I'm going to listen to my namesake song again.
― Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (twenty years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link
I may be new and not know shit but I do know I don't like this kid at all.
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:02 (twenty years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:05 (twenty years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:44 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:47 (twenty years ago) link
No, I really like it as well.
― Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:50 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:55 (twenty years ago) link
whatever
no
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:17 (twenty years ago) link
The last record of his I bought was "Murder Ballads" and I didn't really like it much and at the time was getting into some different music. I've been curious about the last three, but not enough to search them out.
― earlnash, Monday, 14 July 2003 12:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
― kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:36 (twenty years ago) link
Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?
― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link
― The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link
yes, that is the title of a weekly r4 program. What be your point?
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link
well i left off 'voter'
― ufo, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 14:24 (one year ago) link
I'm not familiar with the program in question but is the expectation that celebrity guests are not supposed to discuss themselves and their work?
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
xxp I listen to programs with similar focus, but I just hate that title so much, "This Cultural Life".
― Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link
ah, yeah it does indeed suck.
xp
as I explained Gilbert & George did this in a more truthful and entertaining way, and went more into artists or artefacts that have influenced them and were quite amusing with it. Rather than this po-faced wanker droning on about himself at much greater length. Anyway, fuck him.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
I think it was Gilbert who said he loved reading the Van Gogh letters when he was a kid, because he saw an artist "who unlike a lot of the artists around him - he didn't play by the rules and he won". That was a nice line. I couldn't quote you one memorable line of Nick Cave, because even when he talks about other artists or influences it's still all ultimately about Nick Cave.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link
https://www.theredhandfiles.com/how-do-you-feel/
I also have another impulse, which I hope is more common, and that is to treat everyone with equal love and respect, regardless of their race, gender, sexuality, religion or anything else. I essentially see the world as a collection of individuals, each unique in their brokenness, who have at their core a common and binding sameness of spirit. So, Amelia, although I am slightly uncertain as to where I am supposed to stand on such things, or rather why I am supposed to stand anywhere, I will say this – I love my trans fans fully and wish them the best, as I love all my fans and wish them the best. I feel toward them that same duty of care that I feel toward all those who exist within my sphere. I also wish for them to receive every right inherent to them and for them to lead lives of dignity and freedom, devoid of violence and prejudice. I wish these things as I wish them for all people.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 05:34 (nine months ago) link
Beautiful humanist statement from the Iron Lady there
― Grandall Flange (wins), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 07:35 (nine months ago) link
I was gifted a copy of the Nick Cave and Seán O'Hagan interview book, "Faith Hope and Carnage," and I'm finding it surprisingly thought-provoking. Nick Cave's current disposition is as much of a surprise as Albini's turnaround, but I appreciate his newfound open-book qualities. His answers to various questions and prompts about grief, religion, the creative process and the like are often both profound and incisive.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 February 2024 20:12 (four months ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/nick-cave-and-the-bad-seeds-announce-new-album-wild-god-share-song-listen/
Damn, Bad Seeds definitely in the house for this one
― Davey D, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 18:09 (three months ago) link
Haven't liked much since Dig, Lazarus, Dig, and this is ok but I still think I'm done.
But curious about how his brand diversification is coming along and fucking hell his t-shirts are £50?
― woof, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 18:22 (three months ago) link
I'm obviously out of the loop but when did they part ways with Mute?
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:27 (three months ago) link
I think Dig, Lazarus, Dig was the last album on Mute.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:34 (three months ago) link
This is good but it reminds me a bit of Tenacious D.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:44 (three months ago) link
This is their label now! You can download their accounts and everything. Probably linked to a distribution deal with a major, is that how these things work nowadays?
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08097565
― help me I am in hull (Matt #2), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:45 (three months ago) link
this one's quite good once it gets going, reminds me a bit of abbatoir blues/lyre of orpheus which remains my favourite
it looks like they have a 'partnership' with PIAS for this album, after carnage was released through AWAL and the previous three were completely on their own label (though surely with a distribution deal with a major or something behind the scenes)
― ufo, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 22:07 (three months ago) link
I am not really in the mood for Nick Cave right now and have probably been slow drifting out of the zone since Mick Harvey left the Bad Seeds... but I'm sure I will look back in 10 years in a reevaluative mood and feel this is fine or better
Abattoir Blues / Lyre of Orpheus definitely the last one I was knocked out by
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 22:37 (three months ago) link
Wow, for me the new song is so awful it transcends parody.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 22:59 (three months ago) link
I concur, the last Nick I loved was the 2nd Grinderman LP. He's on his own artistic journey but it's not one that I find compelling. I guess I just miss the intensity and vague danger of his old work.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 7 March 2024 01:14 (three months ago) link
He’s deeply in love with himself as an allegorical fabulist, but the stories are trite and boring (cf his novels as well). Coupled with the Christlike pose struck in his goodwill-to-all-men missives … nah. Hope you enjoyed the coronation pal.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 7 March 2024 08:14 (three months ago) link
his lyrics have always been the worst thing about his art and it's basically a wonder that i can tolerate them at all really
― ufo, Thursday, 7 March 2024 08:20 (three months ago) link
outro sounds horrible
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 7 March 2024 12:11 (three months ago) link
Daughter got sent a pre-sale link for the new arena tour, only seats available to her a hour in were back row of the side seating near the back so possibly the worst seats in the whole place. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR POUNDS. Before fees. Fuck that shit.
― I blinked and it was a new decade (aldo), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 11:59 (two months ago) link
my partner got a standing one for £75 which i think is about the same as last time, maybe £5-10 more.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 12:57 (two months ago) link
which is still expensive imo!
£144 is insane.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 13:04 (two months ago) link
They might have started there but dynamic pricing and ticket bots just pushed them through the roof.
She's going to try again on general sales on Friday and has set herself a £100 upper limit, which is still too rich for my blood.
― I blinked and it was a new decade (aldo), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 13:35 (two months ago) link
Is visiting Europe possible for her? See a great city, get slightly cheaper Nick Cave tickets?
― woof, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 13:47 (two months ago) link
That's an option, or she could just get over it. </caring dad>
― I blinked and it was a new decade (aldo), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 14:04 (two months ago) link
xp my first show was a few years back at an outdoor show at castle in the Austrian countryside and i can’t imagine wanting to see it anywhere else, let alone a packed theater.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 14:44 (two months ago) link
yeah...for me the process is when I was younger I considered him a great lyricist. then two things happened: he got older and so did I. the fiery pyrotechnics of his younger writing gave way to his version of mature writing, but he's not really as good at that, and the pyrotechnic stuff ("Mutiny!" and most of the first Bad Seeds album typify what I mean by that -- hyperverbal excited stuff dense with lurid imagery) I'd kind of outgrown, though I can still get a kick out of it. I'll go to the mat for him as a performer, I think he has few peers and even continues to grow, but as a writer that's just not what I'm into as a grownup. it has taken me years to admit this.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 15:01 (two months ago) link
We got standing tickets for Glasgow and they were about £72 each all told, with excruciating fees of course.
― brain (krakow), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 15:18 (two months ago) link
She must just be unlucky with Cardiff then.
― I blinked and it was a new decade (aldo), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 15:19 (two months ago) link
I didn't look at seated prices at all, but the presale standing allocation did seem to sell out quite quickly.
― brain (krakow), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 15:31 (two months ago) link
Foi Na Cruz was the beginning of the end for my liking him. Everything Birthday Party & the first four Bad Seeds albums (Tender Prey maybe, if there's room left) = desert island, the rest: not so much (even though there were some good tracks here and there, it just wasnt the same anymore) - I'm not hating on artists who get clean or start a family, it just how it turns out that "the tormented artist makes the best art" cliché didn't come out of thin air.
― StanM, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 15:31 (two months ago) link
Foi na cruz is one of my fav bad seeds songs. Power ballad!!!
― fpsa, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 17:47 (two months ago) link
I love that you love that :-)
― StanM, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 17:57 (two months ago) link
I'm the opposite, finding the best parts of the 21st-century albums what works best for me ("Higgs Boson Blues" and "Push The Sky Away" and more). The lurid earlier songs, maybe because I first heard them in audiences with frat-like guys singing along to "Stagger Lee," feel more distanced from the violence and death in the lyrics, and the most recent ones treat them as tangible.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 18:02 (two months ago) link
As a lyricist I find him well-intentioned but ultimately pretty mid (as the kids say). When his music was more furious he could at least fake his way into matching it (see: Grindeman, which pretty effortlessly reverts back closer to formative form), but his more subdued current mode (I assume; I haven't heard the new one) brings the focus squarely on the words, and imo they're just not as compelling as intended. Which is odd, because I do often find him pretty thoughtful and perceptive and intelligent, even funny, it's just not translating to the albums.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 18:15 (two months ago) link
Rain your kisses down upon meRain your kisses down in stormsAnd for all who'll come before meIn your slowly fading formsI'm going out of my mindWill leave me standing inThe rain with a letter and a prayerWhispered on the wind
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 10 May 2024 16:30 (one month ago) link
It's been happening for awhile, but he's seriously treading into late Scott Walker territory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNfrLoQdB_E
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:03 (two weeks ago) link
idk i get the comparison but it has none of walker's bleakness so it's a completely different feeling, it's grandiose and beautiful
some pretty great bass from greenwood here
― ufo, Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:29 (two weeks ago) link
yeah i guess I was just thinking of his crooning and obtuse lyrics, but it's definitely a different vibe
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:34 (two weeks ago) link
(also I think a lot of Walker's later output was grandiose and beautiful in its own way)
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:35 (two weeks ago) link
To my surprise I kinda like it
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:08 (two weeks ago) link
love it and def. hear walker, and just generally a more baroque pop vibe than I've heard from him much before.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 May 2024 14:09 (two weeks ago) link