Your music's shite it keeps me Polling all night: OASIS (ILM artist poll 78) --- Voting open until Sunday August 21, 2016

I haven't heard any of the B-sides after the Go Let It Out single.

wow this is awesome! so....can you vote Masterplan as one of your top 5 records?

Yes, you can.

re: b-sides - yeah "Round Are Way" is great. "Let's All Make Believe" isn't bad IIRC?

re: Shoulder - I always thought "Roll It Over" was the standout track there. A little ponderous maybe but a great album-closer, like their attempt at Elton's "High Flying Bird" and similar songs.

my ballot was probably half b-sides

Thanks mods!

They corrected my original post

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I'd forgotten about 'Let's All Make Believe'! Yeah, that ones not too bad. I'm not a fan of Standing on the Shoulder of Giants, really.

i actually think i own all their albums and maybe 20 or so singles.

hope to get through most of it for this poll.

now i actually see, i didn't buy the last album Dig Out Your Soul. hope to have time to give it a listen before voting myself.

definitely maybe is so obviously their best set of songs, and they're all dragged down by the leaden drummer

Alan White was technically a better drummer than Tony McCarroll, but I'd argue that White was also capable of being far more plodding in his worse moments.

I'd like to see this later era Oasis track place high. Its as close as they got to Krautrock. its also one of Rick Nielsen's favourite songs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87IQhui_Yy8

ok lol at the first frame of that video, come on guys

well its Oasis, they could never help themselves

song is cool though, yeah! i like them better as they verge closer to shoegazey hypnotic wall-of-noise kinda stuff. this has an okay hook (the "all in my mind" vocal part) but it's definitely more about the sound than the song at this point.

So, I'm giving Standing on the Shoulder of Giants a listen now for the first time in years, and christ, what a mostly woeful record. People like to stick the boot into Be Here Now probably the most of all the Oasis albums, but at least it sounds confident and sure of itself in the same way as the previous two Oasis albums. Standing... sounds unsure of itself, tentative, defeated and miserable. The partying/"let's have it" mentality had gone from the band by this time and replaced by a sober, miserable Noel Gallagher forcing himself to make music for the sake of keeping the Oasis brand going. 'Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is' and 'Little James' are particularly horrendous.

Basically, I think this band were at their best when they were off their tits and full of excitement and confidence - it showed in the music. As soon as Noel cleaned up, his songs became downbeat - 'Gas Panic!', 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?', 'Little By Little', 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' etc. - and performed with about as much excitement as someone doing the washing up when they can't be arsed.

yeah im listening to that one too atm and its soporific.

I'd go as far as saying that it damaged the band far more than Be Here Now did.

yeah i didnt buy it when it came out but a friend put it on a cassette for me. i didnt bother with them at all after that

oh god "little james" is on now....

"have you ever played with plasticine? even tried a trampoline?"

I couldn't imagine the Noel Gallagher of 1996 or 1997 letting that onto an album.

yeah "little james" is probably their nadir up to that point. agreed that the lack of confidence really hurts the record. even the cover - it feels faceless, generic, a total non-event. they needed something punchy and alive, even a "back to basics" record or some energetic cover tunes or anything. would have been better to wait until they had that ready than to ship a mere ten tracks of which only a few really show any spark. "i can see a liar" may be a bit forced, but at least it shows some version of a rock band they could have been at this point. actually reminds me a lot of the foo fighters on the (better) there is nothing left to lose.

Whereas the first three tracks show some promise, and about as experimental as they ever got up to that point.

Yeah, 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' still sounds good, but it falls off pretty damn quickly from there.

This Shock of the Lightning track is going to singlehandedly cause me to revisit some of the later stuff.
thanks to whoever posted it. I seem to recall how Standing was just awful, and then they toured with the Black Crowes and I was done.

So much changed between Be Here Now and Standing on the Shoulder of Giants: Noel cleaned up, Bonehead and Guigsy left the band, Noel & Liam both had kids and got divorced, Creation Records folded, they stopped using Brian Cannon for their sleeves and changed their logo (a mistake, IMO), Noel decided he couldn't be bothered being the sole songwriter anymore, and they brought the guitarist from Heavy Stereo (of all bands) into the band, and Andy Bell - who, as great as he was in Ride, always seemed like an ill fit and a bit ofl a tourist in Oasis. The fact that they relegated him to bass was amusing, though... but you had all of this shit going down and it seemed to me like all concerned were in it to top up their bank accounts by that point. The whole fun and purpose had totally gone, they weren't the same band in any way and Noel should really have gone solo then, rather than waiting another 9 years to do it. It marks the point for me where Oasis stopped being about five guys having a laugh and having a great time doing what they were doing, and started being a way of keeping the cheques rolling in... and I think it showed in the music.

When they played Wembley Stadium in 2000 or thereabouts, and Liam was drunk and slagging off the audience, the venue and Noel and ranting on about how Patsy was taking all of his furniture and leaving him with a "teabag", I really thought that it was game over. I was really surprised that they continued after that, but it could only have been for the money.

Well their sole purpose was to be the biggest band in the world and once they got to be for a brief moment, it was like there was nowhere else to go. As much as the songs being bad on "Giants", I always wished theyd branch out a bit seeing as their scope was getting limited. Noel isnt a hem hem aesthete but hes certainly more adventurous in his listening (his "whats in my bag" episode has albums from Can and David Axelrod) but he is such a "not 'avin that pretentious shite" fogey he doesnt challenge himself with his own music and prob a fear that Oasis fans want ye olde meat and potatoes. Wasnt there a psych album that was shelved (produced by Amorphous Androgynous)?

I always thought it was funny, given Noel's endless comparisons to Beatles, Stones, Crazy Horse etc, he never gave a shit about emulating the constituent parts of those bands, part of what made THEM great. There's no Wyman or Molina or Harrison in the Oasis story - it just became the Noel and Liam show. It all wore thin after the original rhythm section left.

There's no Wyman or Molina or Harrison in the Oasis story - it just became the Noel and Liam show. It all wore thin after the original rhythm section left.

― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:11 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I couldn't agree more with this, and it definitely was the "Noel and Liam show" after the originals (Bonehead, Guigsy, McCarroll) had gone.

Bonehead was as much of a character as Liam and Noel were during his time in the band, probably more so. When he left the band, his official line was that it wasn't fun anymore and he wanted to spend more time with his family. On the other hand, Noel's on record as saying Bonehead decided to leave when the newly-sober Noel got annoyed with him wanting to party/have a "good time" during the Standing... sessions when he was trying to keep Liam off the alcohol for three months so he could sing on the album. Basically, a kind of "if I'm not allowed to have a good time, nobody can" type of attitude - which, given how the band had operated up until that point, must have rubbed everyone up the wrong way.

The post-Be Here Now Oasis were so relatively professional that it's easy to forget just how excessive they were before that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jfQ4q4Hfcc

i'm having an absolute blast listening to Oasis again, never thought i would say that again in my lifetime.

i listened to Be Here Now twice in a row now, trying to see if i want to pick a song from that album.

i could pick 25 b-sides and be happy with my ballot. that is how much i love their b-sides.

this is amazing for anyone who hasn't seen it/ heard it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caB5RoaBvsI

going to probably play Standing today.

Kinda into how this is becoming the SOTSOG listening club thread. I spun a couple tracks yesterday but maybe I'll do it in full today. The Masterplan is where I really need to dig in though - it was so big that at the time I kinda zeroed in on a few select tracks and never fully explored the rest. Rediscovered ''Listen Up'' yesterday, man that's great.

The version of 'Listen Up' on The Masterplan has been edited down. I think they cut out a portion of the guitar solo!

'Underneath The Sky' is probably the most underrated track of that period, though... they never played it live, like 'Acquiesce', 'Round Are Way', 'Rockin' Chair' or even 'Step Out', but it's as great as any of them.

Yeah, that's totally my fave from that disc, definitely making my ballot. ''Going Nowhere'' is also very pretty, and effectvely yearnful imo. They had this great mix of braggadocio and desperate need when they were still on the rise, very hard to sustain that once you've hit the top (and once you're on the decline even). Like the whole vibe of Live Forever disappears from their output very quickly; they lean for a while on the Shakermaker/Supersonic steez and it works up to a point, but leavened instead by weary ballads, it's not quite as compelling of an album-length listen.

'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' ... I remember hearing that on the radio and thinking "fucks sake Noel, you're not even trying anymore" ... It just sounded like he'd written it in his sleep, and he'd definitely written better ballads... and it sounded so dreary and miserable and... it felt like a fucking power ballad.

I think the chorus on that is okay, for a power ballad, but the rest is soooooo turgid. Like they heard, idk, Stereophonics' "Mr. Writer" and said "what if this were less energetic?"

watching these guys' early videos.. man the 90s, alt rockers so schlubby looking!

i guess they're wearing fred perry and stuff.. still... bagginess!

If you watch the videos in order, you can see an immense leap in production values from 'Don't Look Back In Anger' to 'D'You Know What I Mean?', one moment they're making yer-bog-standard '90s "indie band" clips, the next it's fucking helicopters, bright colours and Yellow Submarine rip-offs.

Even from the DM singles to the Morning Glory ones is a big jump I think - still kinda standard "standing around and waiting for it to look cool once it's cut together" alt-rock band stuff, but Supersonic looks (in the best way possible) like a band with one afternoon, five hundred bucks, and access to somebody's roof, while, like, Don't Look Back In Anger has like two dozen made-up extras, location rentals, nice color film, and "wossisname from The Avengers." But yeah suddenly with D'You Know What I Mean it's like, okay, imperial phase has arrived.

As much as Noel's (hilarious) commentary slags the idea of video-making generally it seems clear to me that they were super crucial to their rise and domination - their videos make them look cool as shit and 100% support the narrative of some ordinary blokes who're just here to rock, mate, and yet who also have this superstar swagger and sneer waiting to shine. It was catching Champagne Supernova by chance on MTV once that made me have to get their album, they just looked and sounded cool as shit. Now I cringe a little at that - Liam's beard! - but at age 14-15, mannn....

'Morning Glory' and 'Champagne Supernova' weren't even released as singles in the UK, but the videos to both still got as much airplay as the four singles they did put out ('Some Might Say', 'Roll With It', 'Wonderwall' and 'Don't Look Back In Anger') to the point where it felt like they'd actually released six singles from the album. It turned into some kind of alternative rock Thriller, which I don't think anyone saw coming when 'Some Might Say' came out. Of course, the band were playing a lot of the B-sides live, too, so any time a live gig was broadcast, the B-sides would get a fair bit of exposure - stuff like 'Talk Tonight', 'Acquiesce', 'Round Are Way' and 'The Masterplan'. I'm looking at the gigography for the Morning Glory tour and it's just nuts - the tour kicks off in July '95 and wraps up with the Maine Road gigs in April '96, but then they're back out four months later to do Loch Lomond, Knebworth, MTV Unplugged and the North American tour that nearly finished 'em off. A month later, they're in the studio starting to record Be Here Now. I once read a comment by Marcus Russell (Oasis manager) where he said something like "maybe we went into the studio too soon" ... you think!?

I remember 'D'You Know What I Mean?' getting a lot of airplay, with it being the first single from the album, but I don't remember seeing 'Stand By Me' or 'All Around The World' as much, and the latter is probably one of the most expensive videos they ever made. I wasn't even aware that they'd made a video for 'Don't Go Away' (it wasn't a single here) until many years later.

Found Acquiese on an old tape in the car, but couldn't for the life of me recall the title. My son googled the lyrics. Great track.

yes Alfred please vote.

also still waiting for Turrican ballot, results are not going to happen without it. ;=)

;-)

I'll send it over in a couple of hours.

yay

piscesx, the deadline is at Midnight on Sunday San Francisco time but i will be asleep so it is soft. if you are a few hours late that would be fine, Monday night would be too late however.

i finally voted myself. it was so much easier picking 10 EPs then it was picking five albums. i did not pick a worst song, not that i don't they have one, but rather i didn't want to actually go through those later records again to find it. i found it two weeks ago but forgot what song it was.

they = think

about a day and a half left to vote!

last day to vote

Managed to get a 15-track list together (a very rockist one, almost all from 1995).

starting to get really excited for this roll-out.

no-one volunteered but i'm getting some artwork together too.

ballot sent!

Just use that photo of Liam from the beady eye thread for each entry

almost made it to the deadline but going to bed.

VOTING is closed.

everyone now should have a confirmation email. if you didn't get one let me know.

we ended up getting a fair number of ballots, roll-out should be a blast.

Fookin stoked (Man!!)

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