pastry mother
secret of the song is not the words really but there they are
inexpressible blueness
― brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 December 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link
Pie shop in the sky, but I would also like to write-in vote for Phil Collins
― jmm, Sunday, 4 December 2016 03:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm wasting fingers like I had them to spare,Maybe things are different, maybe they're the same.Heroes are born, but heroes die
all solid contenders
― JoeStork, Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:12 (seven years ago) link
I don't think I've ever seen the words before and I have never been able to make many of them out, as usual with most songs. This album has had remarkable staying power for me, since I first heard it in the late 70s or early 80s. (Wouldn't have had much chance of hearing it before then.)
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:44 (seven years ago) link
I've noticed particular lyrics but never really thought about what the overall song means. Is it about a soldier thinking about home?
― jmm, Sunday, 4 December 2016 05:28 (seven years ago) link
Great idea. I can sing most of these lines in my head but don't recall seeing the lyrics written out. Some lines like "nothing ventured, nothing gained" stand out in the song itself but aren't overly remarkable as written words. Not sure how I'll vote.
― that's not my post, Sunday, 4 December 2016 10:06 (seven years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-3_Skywarrior
this wwii plane was called "the whale." zuider zee was a site of fighting in wwii. i think the song is about a fighter pilot trying to long for home but coming up with ambivalent memories of petty arguments and domestic misery. ("we talk just like a kitchen sink play."
― Treeship, Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
actually that plane was post-wwii. but other planes have been called "whales."
― Treeship, Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Fingers / Zuider Zee = the story of the Dutch boy putting finger in hole of dyke.
― Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
Interesting.
I feel like the base narrative is less important than the way the images play off one another and resonate with ideas of birth, death, and even gestation.
― Treeship, Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
like a lot of the album it's riddled with secret agent/behind enemy lines imagery
which also makes for a neat imagery of detachment/alienation
― brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 December 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 31 December 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link
This song is my favorite off TTM. I love "Punishing Paul for Peter" but I think I have to give it up to "Heroes are born, but heroes die" as the single lyric guaranteed, even in print, to bring the euphoric pop rush of this song coming back to my mind
― U2 (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 31 December 2016 02:42 (seven years ago) link
I don't know what my favourite off TTM is. Maybe this, but the whole album has a very special feeling.
― jmm, Saturday, 31 December 2016 03:56 (seven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 1 January 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link