Loving Frost and Fire lately
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
Frost and Fire is fab. I like A Yorkshire Garland even more. Watersons is great winter music imo.
― Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:56 (five years ago) link
love 'frost and fire', never got round to 'a yorkshire garland'. noodle vague will know this but this is crucial, beautiful watersons viewing:
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-travelling-for-a-living-1966-online
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 08:10 (five years ago) link
twenty minutes into watching it again and even for a music documentary, there's so much booze and fags in that
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 08:36 (five years ago) link
other thing i loved was that norma seems to go on tour with a platypus nailed to a plank
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 08:42 (five years ago) link
Haven't seen the whole doc before! Only clips on YouTube.
― Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link
ah well enjoy! rubber band haterz might feel differently after seeing it btw, mike seems like a sweet guy and that daftness is part and parcel of his charm
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 11:47 (five years ago) link
it’s the other guy with his hair and his porn and his beatles records you need to worry about
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 11:48 (five years ago) link
i’d never heard of bright phoebus despite yorkshire garland and frost and fire being long time favourites. i’ve listened to it now thanks to this thread and it’s wonderful. i have a high level of tolerance for elastic band/magical man/shady lady - they’re cornball but the sound of having fun and sit well amongst the rawness of the other songs, not just in the aesthetics of the lp but as a picture of life. the beauty of this album is elsewhere but as slightly embarrassing, unbuckled, silly fun it’s enjoyable.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
*rubber band
much prefer it to the latter day tweeness of eg nu-coppers - the melding of fun and foul doesn’t work for me. bob and ron incontrovertible in their tart-voiced sussex harmonies.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
Folkers are fond of their whimsy, even Martin Carthy does silly numbers, Dick Gaughan doesn't though. I saw a Mike Waterson solo (unaccompanied) concert once and one of the highlights of his set was a song called (something like) "Them Geese Is Ducks".
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
THE IRON ROAD IS A HARD ROAD #dickgaughanwhimsy
― Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
He's funny, Dick Gaughan, all of these guys are entertainers, but he doesn't do whimsical, no sirree.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
the image of dick gaughan’s face at encountering some unnecessary whimsy is making me laugh on the sofa. but yes, whimsy def a part of english folk - feels like it’s about having a performing repertoire. but also the absurd logic is never far even from the grim songs
― Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
It's a part of folk music all over the world, not just England.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
People are silly.
people like to laugh! even a light lol is a lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 2 December 2018 23:12 (five years ago) link
Too right.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
Just got a copy of the Hangman's Beautiful Daughter by Incredible String Band and I'm very into stoned whimsy right now
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 December 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
not a bad place to be! :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:01 (five years ago) link
when will the Shirley Collins doc make it to my city?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? that is what i would like to know
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link
Yeah that looks amazing
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:48 (five years ago) link
A book on Dr. Strangely Strange coming out in March, looks promising (got a blurb from Rob Young who wrote Electric Eden):
https://drstrangelystrange.co.uk/index.html
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Monday, 3 December 2018 02:50 (five years ago) link
Oof, I picked up a vinyl copy of the reissue and it's so, so wonderful. It's really, really got to me. Less than NV but I have some vaguer connections with the Hull area and it's enchanting me. Love this place, this is really unexpected.
― kraudive, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
Was surprised to see a copy of Domino's Bright Phoebus in Fopp and I bought it. I assumed they'd all be gone.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
I freaked out and ended up with two copies - bought the cheapest new copy on discogs, then found one in a local record shop before the first order had been confirmed so I bought that too just in case
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link
Does it have the second disc, the demos? I love Song for Thirza.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link
For those into ‘digital ownership’ and who are trying to figure out what to spend their emusic credits on as that service spins down the drain, they still had the expanded version for sale as of this past Monday
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
Hmm. The download code I got with my sealed vinyl copy didn't work.
― kraudive, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link
I've just ordered the 2 CD version of Bright Phoebus on German Amazon Marketplace. I own the single disc version, but want to get the deluxe set.
― Duke, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link
The seller says they have one new copy in stock for standard price
― Duke, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
C'mon "Shady Lady" and "Rubber Band" are amazing. Amazing how they made such a great song out of just effectively saying "you need more sun" repatedly. Maybe my second or third favorite.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 December 2018 12:46 (five years ago) link
RAG you are a mensch
― Driving Drone for Christmas (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 December 2018 12:49 (five years ago) link
I ordered from a Barnes & Noble marketplace seller, just got randomly refunded and order cancelled : /
Someone must've gone to discogs
― Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 December 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
Of all my favorite genres, I have the least experience with folk music and I'm quite scared to find how deep it goes (but I guess even with other genres I like, you rarely get a sense of how big the whole picture is). This feels long delayed because I got into June Tabor about 15 years ago (see my Tabor thread revive) and only occasionally dip back in to folk.
How good a guide is the Electric Eden book? I guess it leans more towards the psychedelic side?
Are there any guides that go through European folk that has a similar enough aesthetic to british folk?
How did you guys find your way around?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
About 20 years ago a friend gave me a stack of C90 cassettes of mostly Enlglish fold and folk rock. I had just gotten out of a lengthy relationship and, because I worked retail, would be mostly alone during the holidays and unable to travel back home. I was unfamiar with the genre but these tapes really resonated with me and I was grateful for the time my friend spent recording the tapes which even included some handmade cover art. I still have these in a box somewhere.
Silly Sisters and Tabor's Airs and Graces comprised one tape. Fotheringay and Triona another? Definietly Steeleye Span and some Sandy Denny and Fairport.
Anne Briggs The Time Has Come was reissued maybe a month later and that record really broke the genre open for me. I essentially followed the thread created by those records and would flip through issues of Dirty Linen when I came across them for other names and connections. I feel like I've really only scratched the surface and haven't even really begun exploring other European folk music.
― sknybrg, Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
I learned about Shirley Collins, bought and read and listened to everything I could find, it led me to everyone else. Her stuff is still my favorite for Dolly's arrangements (Anthems in Eden with EMC of London in particular) and there is a huge family tree to explore from there. I was also really into the US/UK folk divide so I enjoyed all of the Lomax-recorded Child Ballads etc. Electric Eden is a good read and I would definitely recommend it.
European folk that is not UK/British folk is a total mystery to me but I would love to find an interpreter I love as much as I love Shirley & co.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
Yes! How could I forget that Shirley and Dolly For As Many As Will was on one of these tapes. I need to rummage through my closet and pull my cassettes out and revisit them.
― sknybrg, Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
I remember seeing some intriguing but small RYM lists with Russian folk that looked like it should appeal to british folk fans. I guess French folk is fairly well known compared to a lot of countries.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
Véronique Chalot’s J'ai vu le loup is a good mix of French and British styles, a bit like Comus or Catherine Ribiero in places, but mostly gentle pastoral.
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
Can't think of much European folk that sounds too similar to British/Irish folk music - Alan Stivell, of course, from 'Little Britain'.
― Once in Rahul Dravid's City (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 December 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
She’s Breton too
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Saturday, 22 December 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link
I've been listening to Malicorne (amazing) and there's a lot of Scottish sounding stuff in there. I have heard that a lot of Scottish tradition comes from france though (I should know this, could have swore a music teacher told us that bagpipes and tartan were french).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 December 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
There's bagpipes everywhere - even England!
― Once in Rahul Dravid's City (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 December 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link
Been topping up my amazon wishlist and Watersons - Yorkshire Garland isn't on CD.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 December 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
Malicorne is the one French folk group I am familiar with and the records I’ve heard I absolutely love. The droning quality is blissful to me. If anyone knows more about the French folk scene, I’m all ears.Re Electric Eden. I haven’t read it but the library has a copy I should borrow. Sounds like a good winter read
― sknybrg, Sunday, 23 December 2018 04:40 (five years ago) link
I read as much as google books would allow me of a folk/psych-folk book by Jeanette Leech called Seasons They Change - pretty absorbing.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 23 December 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
I did a posts search for Malicorne the other day and found a lot of helpful info about French folk. I came at Malicorne more as a prog band but seemingly their early days were more in the classic folk rock mode.
I should watch BBC's Folk Britania again, that was very generous to give us a full 3 episodes because the other ones on metal, prog and synth only really skimmed the surface (although it was nice to see some less familiar faces). I didn't pay close enough attention to all 3 episodes when they first aired.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 23 December 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
Electric Eden is a great read. Covers lots of ground - a lot of it probably familiar to many ILMers, but I'd definitely recommend it.
― Duke, Sunday, 23 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link