I'd say "worst music I've ever heard in my life" is maybe underselling it a tad but practically every track makes me want to listen to something else. "Can't Knock the Hustle" is just a really bad modern Cake song. "Living in LA" rips a hook from The Police. "Piece of Cake" is like Dukes of Stratosphear with a lobotomy. And so on. I can't believe Rivers is 50 years old and still writing songs like this; I've never encountered a successful musician with less to say.
― frogbs, Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
I keep seeing Weezer everywhere lately, and it feels like they weirdly might be like...the most popular rock band for non-music nerds right now? Along with....Queen again? I didn't realise they were classroom-instruments-and-barbershop-skit-on-Fallon big. Music's weird, man.
― triggercut, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 09:27 (five years ago) link
Didn't they just release an all covers album on the heels of Africa?
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
they were and are garbage
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
the white album is so fucking good, it's a shame rivers is like... an extremely cynical songwriter?
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
Who would have thought they would be the last (?) '90s radio rock band standing
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link
Pearl Jam and the Foos still going.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
Dare I say it, half of the Black Album is fine. Byzantine especially:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWzThKlk2Ac
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
PJ isn't making many albums (especially widely popular ones), are they? Foo Fighters probably are, idk, I always forget how many people seem to like them.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
PJ pretty consistently make records every 3-5 years and never took a hiatus like Weezer/Rivers did. The records are definitely the secondary consideration compared to touring, though. (By a lot, at this point.)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
I never understood why Weezer had this sort of eternal popularity on the backs of two decent albums instead of say, Everclear
Rivers being sort of a troll probably has something to do with it
― frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
god i had forgotten about everclear
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
So Much For the Afterglow is better than both of Weez's "classic" albums in my opinion
― frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
i liked that album at the time but can't remember anything about it.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
worth revisiting, pretty perfect record
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Everything Will Be Alright was about half ok.White Album was actually solid. 2 or 3 songs on Pacific Daydream were ok.
Teal/Black are garbage - zero jams. RIP
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:10 (five years ago) link
the singles and the reviews made me expect that the black album would have a lot more actively terrible musical decisions on it than it did but unfortunately the rest of the album was mostly just bland and poorly executed pop rock, meaning it wasn't even as entertaining of a trainwreck as raditude was
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:27 (five years ago) link
i guess it's a bit disappointing that rivers is back to following his worst impulses after three albums that ranged from relatively pleasant (ewbaite, pacific daydream) to quite good (white) but there's really so little reason to have expected anything at all from this band these days so i can't complain at all
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:31 (five years ago) link
Feel like this is 100% the fault of people my age +/- two years (class of 2000) who were the core of the backlash to the Pinkerton backlash.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:59 (five years ago) link
(class of 2000)h.s. or college(?)
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 05:16 (five years ago) link
Pinkerton University
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 05:19 (five years ago) link
lol
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 05:25 (five years ago) link
Everclear's '90s singles all sound like boomer-grunge to me. No weirdness. No sense of humor. I've tried to get into them many times, but they're way too VH1 imo.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:57 (five years ago) link
always thought of them as a grunge/power-pop hybrid with an emphasis on the latter
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 23:09 (five years ago) link
It's funny how their career after their third album has seemed mostly like an exercise in pissing off as much of their old fanbase as much as possible.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 13:40 (five years ago) link
should i post “white album >> pinkerton” in the controp thread or just leave it here
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
You should post it on a Weezer forum!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link
I'm more likely to listen to Everything Will Be Alright in the End over Pinkerton these days, fwiw.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:40 (five years ago) link
it makes me furious that rivers is capable of writing songs like "girl we got a good thing" and "wind in our sail" and just mostly doesn't!
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
i'm entirely with brad on "white >> pinkerton"
― ufo, Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
Yeah, it's not like he can't deliver the goods! This is ultimately the most frustrating thing. I wouldn't be so annoyed about his worst material if his great material hadn't been so good.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link
I should give White a proper listen. I thought Red had a few jams.
― Simon H., Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
It did, but it also had some embarrassing tripe.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
This sounds like the same exact conversation us Sun Kil Moon fans are having these days
― Evan, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
I resist the idea that any of the last...five?...SKM releases have contained any jams at all
― Simon H., Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
Well, not THAT exact, but tbf I have seen people citing "jams" here and there from recent albums. I can't be bothered to look into it myself. The guy retired with "Young Love" for me.
More broadly I meant that there were some great albums, then this huge drop that produced material way beyond parody that is so hard to understand the why and the how, and the frustrating realization that there are fans that actually prefer that direction and enable it.
Anyway, Weezer.
― Evan, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-hSj3gnks
best weezer song i've heard since the white album. new album van weezer (lmao) out next may
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
that's indeed pretty good! it's cool how rivers showing he can indeed make good music for a whole album if he wants to after all this time has only made him an even more frustrating figure
― ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
it's kinda like what i'd imagine a more successful version of maladroit would sound like lol
― ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
I don't hate OK Human? It's actually kind of charming in a weird Rivers way.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
I'm hoping Alone IV will cover both the green album and maladroit. That's the one I'm holding out for.― toulows-lautrec (how's life), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:46 PM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― toulows-lautrec (how's life), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:46 PM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink
Apparently last year he released like all the Alones! Including the Green Years, which ends up being Alone VII for some reason I haven't figured out. Given all my bluster about this on this board, I'm going to have to listen to this in it's entirety at some point in the near future, but today is not that day.
https://riverscuomo.com/demos
Alone: The Home Recordings of Rivers Cuomo (2007)Alone II: The Home Recordings of Rivers Cuomo (2008)Not Alone: Rivers Cuomo & Friends Live at Fingerprints (2009)Alone III: The Pinkerton Years (2011)Alone IV: The Blue-Pinkerton Years (2020)Alone V: Before Weezer (2020)Alone VI: The Black Room (2020)Alone VII: The Green Years (2020)Alone VIII: The Maladroit Years (2020)Alone IX: The Make Believe Years (2020)Alone X: The Red-Raditude-Hurley Years* (2020)Alone XI: The EWBAITE Years (2020)Alone XII: The White Year (2020)
― peace, man, Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:03 (three years ago) link
well good luck getting through all that eventually, there's i think nearly 3000 demos all up there
i listened to a little bit on youtube though and there were some gems in the very little i heard. it's clear that rivers is largely an extraordinarily bad judge of his own work but it's also easy to understand how he could lose perspective after finding out just how bizarrely prolific he is with his songwriting.
― ufo, Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:23 (three years ago) link
The EWIBATE years is at least 3GB big. And just MP3s too, not flacs or wav etc. Absolutely insane
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
An obvious highlight from the drop (annoyingly cut off at the end):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxTX0gaw158
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link
does not surprise me xp
it's definitely documented upthread but one of my favorite experiences in my life was being on a focus group for ewbaite
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
Weird vocal phrasing but better than practically everything else from the red era IMO:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeabZ9C1U24
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFUCLsPSyRY
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
'French Pop' from the Black Room era is great too. Just staggeringly overwhelming to even attempt the get through everything. Later folders are filled with literally hundreds of voice memos as well as multiple versions of fully fleshed out demos
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
*to
van weezer is... fine. run of singles from "the end of the game" to "beginning of the end" (really top rivers tune here in particular) is thrilling though
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 7 May 2021 14:45 (three years ago) link