Oh they were called the "Rational demos" and Game Theory self-released their early stuff on "Rational Records"
― think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:45 (four years ago) link
ok, +1 point for the Scott Miller theory then after all :-)
― StanM, Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_eVB_c81w
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
― BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link
I Think I was at that show.Definitely saw tehm at the venue and assume it would have been that year.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link
would've been amazing to see them at the boardwalk, great venue! saw both the young gods and fugazi there in 89-ish, perfect sweat-infested box of sound
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
Thanks for the heads up!
― StanM, Thursday, 21 May 2020 11:42 (four years ago) link
https://frontierrecords-thinwhiterope.bandcamp.com/album/moonhead-the-ruby-sea-live-in-genttwo songs live at their final show but not included on The One That Got Away. NOTE: Live versions on vinyl only, downloads are studio versions.(I thought it was a remastered TOTGA but alas)
― StanM, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
oh c'mon that's dumb! Why can't I pay money to download the live versions? I'd love to complete that show! Grrr.
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
IKR :-(
― StanM, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
Here's a conversation with Roger Kunkel from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vuuq13Ytl8
― StanM, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:48 (two years ago) link
um, this year. anyway
― StanM, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:02 (two years ago) link
Thank you! Just finished it. Any crumbs of insight or ephemera regarding TWR are like gold dust to me. And I never would have noticed this on my own. Any more important live recordings come to light in the last year or two?
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 22:06 (two years ago) link
I'm not in dime myself & aren't aware of anything. Anyone?In the interview above Roger mentions a 4 track recording of the 1988 Olive Pit show (where Guy only wears boots) that someone has and was willing to mix/master, though, I hope they release it.The "The one that got away" remaster that was hinted at one time probably isn't happening, I suppose?
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 00:23 (two years ago) link
Idk but it’s been awhile since the studio album ones so seems doubtful. I was a bit surprised when the hosts were talking about guy’s body of work and didn’t mention the Mummydogs album
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 May 2022 02:09 (two years ago) link
Roger wasn't in that band though.
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 09:02 (two years ago) link
XXP - Just had a scan on D1m3 and everything has fallen off the tracker, but I think we got all the good stuff.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 26 May 2022 12:38 (two years ago) link
I know, there was just a “and then he withdrew except to play some bluegrass sometimes” thingMummydogs wasn’t nearly on TWR’s level of course so it’s not a huge lacuna Xpost thanks mares!
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 May 2022 12:40 (two years ago) link
yeah, thanks for checking, Maresn3st!
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 12:56 (two years ago) link
yeah, went and checked what was on myself a few hours ago. only thing that appeared was a band called Wand and they had song title parts that triggered the search engine response.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 26 May 2022 13:03 (two years ago) link
Thank you too :-)
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 13:46 (two years ago) link
FYI for anyone interested in correct information on their recordings: this one "1988-04-02 - Goez Beest, Amsterdam, NL - Sbd" doesn't make sense.
venue = Podium 't Beestcity = Goes (and that is 120 km / 75 miles away from Amsterdam)
― StanM, Friday, 27 May 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link
Here's one I found that wasn't shared here last time around (have been looking for confirmation about the date (or if it's MM/DD or DD/MM?) but can't find that either) - it's one of the most impressive sounding ones yet imho. soundboard.
https://we.tl/t-M2QEIp9q5N
1990-11-09 RKCNDY, Seattle, WA
01. Wire Animals02. The Ruby Sea03. Astronomy04. Eleven05. Puppet Dog06. Some Velvet Morning07. Tina And Glen08. Triangle Song09. Elsie Crashed The Party10. Valley Of The Bones11. Munich Eunuch12. Ants Are Cavemen13. Fish Song14. Roadrunner15. Bartender's Rag16. Hunter's Moon17. Silver Machine
― StanM, Saturday, 28 May 2022 13:12 (two years ago) link
Ooh I definitely don’t have that one
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 28 May 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link
(I could have fixed the last three tracks' MP3 tags but anyway)
― StanM, Saturday, 28 May 2022 20:39 (two years ago) link
or flac tags, whatever they're called when it's flac
This one is new to me too - thanks!
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 28 May 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link
Amazing! Thanks
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 28 May 2022 23:12 (two years ago) link
the only thing is... RKCNDY opened in 1991. Doesn't keep me from enjoying the show but it bothers me.
― StanM, Sunday, 29 May 2022 10:46 (one year ago) link
okay - it was 9 November 1991 (found it on this taper's list - among some other stuff that must be out there (on cassette at least) - https://digilander.libero.it/anti4it/bootlegscdnz.html )
― StanM, Sunday, 29 May 2022 16:28 (one year ago) link
Set list makes more sense with that date
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 29 May 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link
Thanks for this StanM! Man I love TWR.
― Duke, Sunday, 29 May 2022 21:18 (one year ago) link
I'm just discovering this podcast has interviews with some interesting musicians. I listened to a 3 part thing with Gun Club drummer Terry Graham a few days ago and one with Stuart Moxham yesterdayThis one is with Roger Kunkel, not sure if it was upped here before since its from April last yearhttps://open.spotify.com/episode/3O7WleGyOc1CgJee2IiMdr?si=61e5267c92f24b73
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link
Thanks! while scrolling down to that one (I'm not on spotify) I noticed a lot of other interesting stuff on C86. Suicide with Martin Rev, Green On Red with Dan Stuart (and then a couple of weeks later with Chris Cacavas), Whipping Boy, The Seers,...
― StanM, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link
I may have listened to that Martin Rev thing. I know I heard one on Martyn Ware's podcast recently.Can't remember what specifically turned me onto that C86 podcast
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
I think I was looking for the podcast Almost A Mirror, couldn't remember what it was called so started looking for the small groups scene in Melbourne or whatver the scene was actually called . Wound up with a show with Clare Moore of The Moodists turning up, got around to listening to it and maybe got an announcement about a new episode in the series appearing. But it is a very good series and goes back to 2018 and has some very interesting guests so glad I got to look through it. Don't think it has any more TWR but it does have a couple of Galaxie 500, Robin Crutchfieeld of Pere Ubu, Dark Day etc and a loa dof other interesting looking people who I may get to hear later. I still haven't listened to the last couple of Almost A Mirror episodes cos I keep losing temporary playlists
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link
They are no longer on Bandcamp. Glad I got those remasters while they were available
― Duke, Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:53 (one year ago) link
Ah. I'm mistaken. They're there under Frontier. Just not under TWR. Sorry...
― Duke, Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:55 (one year ago) link
Hey Stan/Jon and everyone, some new recordings gone up on D1m3, one a week before the last gig in Ghent, Wein 1990 & Munich 1988. All sound really solid, room for three more?
― MaresNest, Thursday, 5 January 2023 20:35 (one year ago) link
oooooooooh yes please
― StanM, Thursday, 5 January 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link
Cool, here 'tis - https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/bdtwra5fqn09oi8yn677s/h?dl=0&rlkey=rueyq1ierm4dy3ygxfqdx23wm
― MaresNest, Thursday, 5 January 2023 21:29 (one year ago) link
Thanks indeed!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 January 2023 21:30 (one year ago) link
<3
― StanM, Thursday, 5 January 2023 22:43 (one year ago) link
No worries guys.
For fun, I downloaded that amazing Youtube footage of 'It's OK' from the last gig, matrixed the audio with the live album, pushed it around a bit to add a bit of low end, and made the guitars even more hellacious.
It's in the folder too, if you wanna have a look, just a pity the footage is fairly low quality.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 5 January 2023 23:40 (one year ago) link
<3 thanks so much MN!
― willem, Friday, 6 January 2023 11:13 (one year ago) link
great idea about that clip! thank you again!
― StanM, Friday, 6 January 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link
(Vienna is June 5th 1990 btw - I had uploaded the mp3s earlier but this is an upgrade)
― StanM, Friday, 6 January 2023 13:33 (one year ago) link
So here's an unjustly overlooked TWR obscurity. Quoting Skip King, whose longtime partner-now-husband ML Compton managed them:
While the band were touring in Italy their lead singer, Guy Kyser, was borrowed and utilized as the vocalist on a single track with a band named Avion Travel. The song, "On a Moonlit Night", was to be used as the theme song in the newest Lina Wertmüller film "In Una Notte di Chiaro di Luna" (AKA "Up to Date"). Starring Rutger Hauer, Nastassja Kinski and Lorraine Bracco, and featuring Faye Dunaway and Peter O'Toole, the film was released that year but was a huge flop internationally, and didn't even make it into cinemas in america, at least we don't think it did. To this day we've never seen the movie.Decades later ML was able to get an audio copy of the track, and I found and bought online a region 2 (Europe) DVD of the film. I don't have a multinational DVD player so it has sat on our shelf for very many years. Just now I threw it into my computer's DVD player, for a lark, and I found that I can view it! It's a terrible copy, obviously transferred from a VHS or perhaps filmed secretly in a movie theater with a camera (!!!). but I don't care. It is so eerie to have the DVD start up and immediately hear Guy's voice, the song used in the menu system. Then I started the film and there's the song again at the very beginning. And I fast forwarded to the end of the film and they used the same track during the closing credits. And here is Guy's credit. We didn't even know if Lina and company had credited Guy, until now.I finally saw this credit, 34 years later.Crazy.
Decades later ML was able to get an audio copy of the track, and I found and bought online a region 2 (Europe) DVD of the film. I don't have a multinational DVD player so it has sat on our shelf for very many years. Just now I threw it into my computer's DVD player, for a lark, and I found that I can view it! It's a terrible copy, obviously transferred from a VHS or perhaps filmed secretly in a movie theater with a camera (!!!). but I don't care.
It is so eerie to have the DVD start up and immediately hear Guy's voice, the song used in the menu system. Then I started the film and there's the song again at the very beginning. And I fast forwarded to the end of the film and they used the same track during the closing credits. And here is Guy's credit. We didn't even know if Lina and company had credited Guy, until now.
I finally saw this credit, 34 years later.
Crazy.
And here's the track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPHqGlOHCtc
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2023 19:38 (eight months ago) link