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guns n roses: black rock icons. yep. axl even has his hair in thin braids these days too. he knows the deal.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Now if only they would have kept that funky drummer they started out with on their first album.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Presumably when Axl sang about "immigrants and faggots" he muttered "not you, Slash mate" under his breath.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

he did, you can hear it in the outtake version of that song. its clearly audible. he also added some adlibs saying 'dont hate me, some of my best friends are black.'

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

the libertines: another great black rock band. gary powell adds a lot of blackness (and soulfulness and funkiness too, of course!) to the libertines' overall sound. greg tate is reportedly trying to use them to gain the black rock coalition some new publicity.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think next we should have the white acid rock thread. Hendrix goes in cuzza Redding/Mitchell of course. Also Steve Lacy, that guy was really off his rocker. I think there is a guitar on one of his records somewhere.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked when Zep went from blues to funky rock. I knew several good balck musicians in the 70s who studied them.(And Branford Marsalis, in talking about how he decided to base one of his album covers on the PHYS GRAFFITTI design, specified different things that he and his father and his brothers, including the pre-jazz-only Wynton, liked about Zep.) Come to think of it, I read somewhere that Nile Rodgers had a kinda Zeppish black rock band, Big Apple, but they coudn't get a contract in the disco squeeze (ditto a lot of funk bands, at that point.) So screw it he formed Chic. Always liked his Bo Diddleyvolution (working it past Velvet Underground's"What Goes On.") And Queen and the Sugar Hill Gang did too.

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

tv on the radio get in the white acid rock thread cos if david sitek. i think sitek alone, seeing as he does all the music and production, qualifies them as a white band anyway.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

But how are TV on the Radio "rock," exactly?? I don't get it. (Don't get the people who call them "soulful," either, but never mind.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i like bo diddley's acid rock albums.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Lawrence Welk weird as Sun Ra, basically. Ikey the keyb player for Mars Volta, says he gets it from all sides, cos he's a black art rocker from the suburbs. Mars Volta is at least brown acid rock, considering Cedric and Oscar are Chicano. Remember GnW's "Civil War"

― Easy Listening Babylon, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey wait, what about War? And maybe even Stevie Wonder once or twice? (And Santana must have had some people black as well as brown sometimes, right? And does Papa John Creach count??)

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

well TVOTR do have more than a few indie rock traits in their music. they just dont execute many of them with loud guitars, or rock out with their synths or whatever it is they use. what would you classify them as chuck?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Papa John, I would hope so! If he doesn't, then Long John Silver ain't best black acid rock lp of all time.

2nd verse of "Royal Orleans", Pagey kinda foreshadows the Rodgers chk-a chk-a. Presence is such a monster album, Bonham's finest hour.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

A sixth-rate mid-career Peter Gabriel imitation, maybe, with requisite amorphous elevator tendencies for "avant" cred? Who the heck knows...

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― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

avant-electronica indie maybe?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

since no one else is gonna mention them, i feel i should since they are two of my favorite records of all time and because they are very very funky acid rock records: Divine Styler's Spiral Walls Containing Autumns Of Light and New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

divine styler? the rapper? are you sure?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, i'm sure all right.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i have that album (ive got two of his LPs) but i cant remember ever thinking 'hey! black acid rock alert!'

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

New Kingdom was great. Man, whatever happened to them?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a complete acid freakout. i mean, there is rhyming, but big deal. the live drums and guitar make it very rockish.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

they probably got too stoned to realise they stopped making music, along with justin warfield.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

War was so sloww, and thick (and good). They were lude rock. Santana inspired people I knew to take Seconal and lay back in the sun and'or moon, but maybe they were on acid to start with, or maybe Santana were (acid with speed, but wasn't it all.) Jack Cassidy (sp?) inspired people I knew (not only but also including some of the people in previous sentence) to take up instruments, not necessarily the bass, and to pump the acid rock goodness, though not as good as he did. (Who did, after all? We all had a ball trying.) He's down there gooood (listen to BLESS ITS POINTED LITTLE HEAD for Jack's sake)

― Mr. Mojo Risin, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

in that case, scott, 3 feet high-era de la, justin warfield, pm dawn and a host of god knows how many others to thread!

this thread knows no limits, in spite of the initial post's request.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

no, no, no, i disagree. Divine's album is an ACID album. It's a psych record. with big phat guitars and drums. it is not pot smokin' rap music.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

one of the reason i like dalek and clouddead so much is cuzza that great psych vibe.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i will dig that divine album out.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

>this thread knows no limits, in spite of the initial post's request<

which was:

>looking for the funk with liberal doses of fuzz<

i don't think many nominated records have actually ignored that, dick.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jack was tops. That whole band was tops. Doesn't get too much better than Jorma, either. People who don't dig the Airplane make me laugh. Though I WIsh they woulda done even more stuff like "Bear Melt", or "Thing" from that Fillmore East CD from a few years back.

All that stuff is pre-Papa John though, so outside the remit of this thread.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

with this: "looking for the funk with liberal doses of fuzz" in mind (seeing as its not really rock-exclusive), i would nominate:

early EWF
early funkadelic, or anything up to and including 1978 on the whole
sly stone circa stand
early 70s curtis mayfield
late 60s/early-mid 70s isley brothers
isaac hayes - hot buttered soul
war
mothers finest
buddy miles

etc etc

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno about including Sly - he doesn't really get too fuzzy, and when he does, it's usually only cuz he's letting Larry Graham do an 8-bar break. Freddie was a great guitarist, but he didn't really stretch out with a lot of crazed, overdriven solos.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i always liked that mar-keys album with "angel dust" and "creeper's funkastrations" on it. can't remember how much fuzz is on that album though. i haven't played it in a long time. i think there was some though. good wordless orgasmic moaning though, a la p-funk.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

true, shakey, sly was still pretty orderly, although blues tracks like sex machine werent that 'tight' sounding.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i still say Black Acid Rock (TM) = Jimi Hendrix. although im not one for the separating of hendrix and white rockers, in the same way im not one for separating hendrix and black traditions either (this is a can of worms though, so never mind).

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

jasonD should have just bought some dennis coffey records if he was including dalt mcdermot and david axelrod at the top. he was really just looking for funky fuzz. and there are only 5 zillion records that fit that bill.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"galt" mcdermot.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

so the black acid rock thing is a bit misleading really....

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Acid Rock purism! A different Wynton, just like the otherwolrd needs.Dalek 'sroom cloud karma! I read a brilliant piece about them the other day. Swamp Dogg's TOTAL DESTRUCTION fucks the dignified mind of Muscle Shoals. He's muscle shaolin

― Dalekred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

And Run DMC's "Rock Box" is a whole NOTHER can of worms, I guess, so we should all be sure not to mention that one, either.

― cheddy, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

thats more like Black 80s Hard Rock.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah and Dennis Coffey was white so he doesn't count, except for when he was sampled by PE and LL Cool J, when he does.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

don, i forgot that you were a dalek fan!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

no grodeck whipperjenny then, i guess.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

although, they did back up james brown, that's pretty black.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, how can people who like such messy music wind up so ANAL about it? Weird....Isn't acid rock about THROWING THE RULES TO THE WIND???

I like Dalek, too, guys! Also Techno Animal! And 2nd Gen! All those people!!

― cheddar, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

as long as they took acid, its acid rock!

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, acid jazz in the 90s is a problem cos i dont think any of them dropped acid. and they didnt sound like they did either.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

you guys all ruined my thread with semantics. this and that damn dub metal thread that hstencil and chuck got in another fight about

(holy crap, like 4000xpost

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

No espcially not the "Rock Box"! Eddie Martinez aieeeeeeeeee

― Devendra, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

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