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haha i was waiting for doomie to show up!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, Doomie, that'd be why your boss came crawling to them for an interview and agreed to pull the negative album review when Danny told him to fuck off.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link

oh. that's 'embrace' story. right. ok...

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

my favourite embrace phase is their desperate travis sound-u-like one.

c'mon. single written by chris martin. of course that is going to do well. the true test is the album. which is pretty bloody bad.

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Doomie, don't you like the Libertines? Do the words 'leg to stand on' mean anything to you?

Dead Man, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

if the embrace album goes top ten, i will purchase it and apologise to nick.

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Doomie, it's shipped 100,000 already. It's number two in the midweeks. They have never sounded anything like Travis or OCS. wtf are you talking about?

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

shipped not sold.

if that is the case i'll wait a few weeks and pick my copy up at fopp for three quid.

omg wtf this is embrace!

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

This is just the type of kneejerk scenester badge-owning dead-soldier-coat-wearing BOLLOCKS that I'd expect from you, Doomie.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

And I appreciate that it's mostly aimed at pissing me off because I'm much more handsome than you, but there you go.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

huh?

i've seen those teeth man. (shudder)

i just can't understand embrace. its like asking for the appeal in kula shaker or cast and beyond the comedic value i can't find nothing. nada. i gots nothing. truly mystified. i get why the single sold. single charts are weak as fuck and the fan base bought the single in droves plus added radio value being that it was written by chris martin. but the album? that's the test.

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

omg wtf this is embrace! again i am mystified as to why i'm still chatting about them. maybe they have *some* sort of appeal?

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Well that's fair enough. Obviously I don't agree, but we're clearly very different people, so there you go. What aggravates me is your constant snideness and nastiness, and the apparent joy you derive from being snide and nasty about them. What's the fucking point? You don't like them, they don't move you, that's fine, now stop bitching about it. You're not going to change my mind or anybody else's, especially seeing as any argument you put forth is based on entirely erroneous pejorative comparisons. "poor man's ocean colour scene"? They had a top 20 single with a kazzoo solo and a hook composed of a weird burbling sample, wtf are you talking about? The last track on the new album ends like Fennesz, wtf are you talking about? "some sort of appeal"? Evidently much more than The Earlies (who I like but who've sold, what, 7 records?).

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I've never even had any fillings, wtf are you slagging my teeth off for you fucking moron?

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

yr teeth are as brown as yr musical tastes, you ego-manical moron.

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

You're a fucking child, Doomie.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

ah huh.

o.k. wasted five minutes of my life i'll never get back on this.

c'ya.

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Bye then!

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

The first time I admitted on ILM that I liked Embrace I feared I would be banned or mocked forever or something. At least I know Nick has always got my back...

(Still haven't heard the new album though, and will reserve judgement. I thought the last one was crap.)

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It is good, really. And I can say this because I am a pop-dance kid and I have nice teeth.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

(The last one is crap, apart from the first and last song, and maybe the title track if they'd waxed more guitars on it.)

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, NME gave it 1/10 today, so it must be fucking wicked!

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/top40/albums.shtml

it would appear to be at no.1, unless this is a midweek chart or not-the-official-chart or something, in which case i have spoken too soon.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

It is indeed at number one, shifting 55,000+ copies over the counter and 125,000 in pre-sales. Meaning Doomie now has to go and buy it and apologise to me. Nice to think that the title track of the current number 1 album climaxes with two minutes of white noise.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved their 1st two albums, was kinda cool about their third, and haven't got round to listening to "Out of Nothing" yet (despite all the great things Nick has been writing about it.) Kinda surprised that it's selling so well considering albums 2 & 3 didn't seem to do as well as album 1 (Nick, do you know how many copies each of their albums have sold in the UK?). Got tickets to see them in Dundee in November too so the album better be good.

Neil FC (Neil FC), Sunday, 19 September 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

First album sold 500,000, third sold 60,000 and the second album I'm not sure about, but I'd guess 100,000 to 200,000. So the new one has already done as well as the last one has done all-in-all, and it's only been out a week.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

How did their album get to be number one? Do they have a really good street team, or something?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

It got to be number one because 55,000 people bought it, James. People bought it because they want to listen to it. A rapturously received set at V to 20,000 people probably did them some good, the Coldplay link too, also the positive reviews everywhere except NME and the fact that they've actually got a substantial fanbase built up over three previous albums and a reputation for being ace live might all have something to do with it. Why is that so hard to accept?

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't care.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

That's nice to know, Richard.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

It's quite a lot less overwrought than I expected. But this sort of stuff is still being done a lot better by the crazy Scandinavians. Still.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Which Scandinavians?

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Alcazar!

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick, there are heaps of artists in that region who do this sort of DATED (well, to some people) guitar pop-rock extremely well. A lot of them have a bit more country or more pop in their roots, but even if Embrace and their ilk have been deeply unfashionable in the UK for years, that sort of music is still popular in Europe. Don't make turn into Geir Hongro on you (hah!)

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Bollocks to country, I like teh NOIZE and the ENORMOUS CHORUSES and the GUITARS.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

when is a new Doves single out? they are the only band of this ilk i think are any cop

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Doves have got the sonics right, but their songs are rubbish. I've not heard owt about a new record by them, but I guess they must be due one soon.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I distinctly recall reviewing both Embrace's "The Good Will Out" and Gomez's first album in the same week for a music magazine once.

I heaped praise on Embrace's debut spouting something like the album was a grand opus likely to endure, whereas "Bring It On" ... "but only in moderation"... and was ..."heritage-listed in 1973" and that... "the Lynyrd Skynyrd revial wasn't funny first time 'round!".

Funny how things turn out innit?!

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I would say, on reflection, there's just so many melancholic, symphony-led brit bands wanting to take the mantle over from The Verve.

Personally, they say more to me than Coldplay. Why is it that they received worldwide critical kudos, when others of their ilk, had seriously made better efforts?

I think if you collated the best tracks from Embrace's first two albums, you'd certainly hace a classic on your hands.

Danny's voice is best suited on the grandiose ballads, but, his voice can come across a little too stylistically weepy in places. They deserve mass stadium, symphony'led ballad-rock hegemony like The Verve and Verve before them.

Incidentally, wasn't their third LP a greatest hits album of sorts: put out hurriedly by their record company?

Just remember, Starsailor have a lot to answer too, also!

Aloft candles at the ready then....

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

The third LP was a proper studio album, but Hut released a singles compilation after dropping the band at the start of 2002. The band had wanted to do a b-sides collection, but knew the writing was on the wall when the label started putting the singles comp together.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't figure out how Doves songs could be rubbish if Embrace's aren't. Are they even significantly different?

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think Doves have got the hooks, choruses or melodies that Embrace have, basically. I think they're a sonically interetsing good band but I don't want to listen to thir songs often at all. I've not got the musicological nous to explain precisely why this is, maybe Embrace do some weird thing with suspended major fourth division c-sharp chordal harmonies or something, I don't know. But that's like saying "I don't get why Missy Elliott is better than J-Lo; are they even significantly different?", surely Stevem? Which is the kind of sentiement that ILM would shoot down like a dead duck

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm talking about the songs, not the people, so it's not the same. the difference between Missy and J-Lo seems much more apparent in terms of how they present and deliver their message, as well as the message itself often being quite different (J Lo says "I love you baby", Missy says "You love me, now I'm going to eat you from the inside out like the king size Twinky i want you to be"). 'Satellites' could be an Embrace ballad, i just think Doves not only sound better but find their songs more interesting too, more 'soul' in Williams voice, more general mystique even, possibly. I am well aware this sounds a bit odd considering the bands we're talking about and how relatively bland they would otherwise seem.

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Satellites" actually IS an Embrace ballad anyway - it's the title of the last track on their third album, which came out about a year before the Doves track.

I'm talking about the songs too, with regards the Missy/J-Lo thing; is it not just as judgemental to dismiss Missy & J-Lo as indistinguishable due to them both being women doing hip-hop/pop/r'n'b hybrids? (And isn't J-Lo's message just as juch "you love me" as Missy's, although without the Twinky bit?)

Soul and mystique are very nebulous concepts when talking about a band as well, as is blandness. There's a certain facet to the ILM mindset that cannot deal with popular guitar music except from a straight ahead rockist direction, that is unless it actually likes it in the first place, whereas it will twist all sorts of tropes and memes around until it can justify liking anything vaguelly derived from pop or hip hop, and I'm finding this automatic and knee-jerk inverse rockism quite irritating lately.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, i'm sorry.

now i went out to buy the record and realised that i accidently bought the keane one because i couldn't tell the difference.

doomie x, Monday, 20 September 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

How on earth do you tell the difference between the Libertines and a bad Clash tribute act in a pub then?! Are your faculties and mechanisms that fucked?!

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

less piano on the embrace for a start

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(i assume)

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

how on earth can you obsess about embrace without seeing that they are proto-keane?

ps. yeah i have time for doves and not embrace. weird.
pps. '100,000 embrace fans can be wrong'

bye!

doomie x, Monday, 20 September 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Much less piano and MUCH MORE guitar, indeed.

And I do see that Keane wouldn't exist without Embrace, of course, likewise Northern Uproar wouldn't exist without Oasis, etcetera etcetera ad infinitum. You really are quite dull mentally, aren't you Paul?

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link


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