the andre 3000 song on here is so jarring and awful, i skip that every time. worse than any of the skits
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
m frank scepticism is depressing. not enough kids on here
― nothing (Left),
this place is a most welcome oasis from the suffocating Ocean praise I see elsewhere!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/eh80gjhu34j11.jpg
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
if mild criticism of frank ocean bothers you so much, may i suggest you go to literally anyplace else on the internet?
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
as I said it's the suspicion of motives that is strange and sometimes ugly. other threads show this attitude has been consistent even when charges have changed (earlier mentions filtered through the ludicrous hipster R&B wars of the early 10s which was exclusively a hipster civil war)
I find the constant suspicion both suspicious and sad next to the enthusiasm and generosity extended towards absolute bullshit like vampire weekend and the 1975 during the same period. it's clearly generational to a large extent
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link
vampire weekend suck
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
that sure is a lot of words to say "i don't know how to process opinions that differ from mine"
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
40something for Blond on the 2016 album poll is pretty wild
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
then again, i've seen your posts on ile so idk what i was expecting
xp
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
3 points, related
the subtext is that frank ocean and/or his popularity is essentially fradulent in some way
there are some pretty obvious things motivating this attitude, which comparisons with contemporary artists more beloved by ILM make clear
i also think it would be nice if there were younger people here but other people clearly don't agree
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link
why do you care
I don't understand your obsession here with ILM discourse. Some like Ocean, some don't, he's worth discussing.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link
― nothing (Left), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:21 PM (three minutes ago)
are you gonna do some outreach?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:25 (three years ago) link
three more points
the opinions actually expressed in this thread are quite varied, from j0rdan's unreserved praise, to brad's skepticism evolving into genuine love, to alfred's stating his preference of jeremih, miguel, etc. all of these are opinions very much in character, nothing nefarious here
"the kids" aren't always right about music, and "popularity with the youth" isn't an inherent argument for music's worthiness. furthermore, the under-40s on this thread have varying opinions (i loved loved loved channel orange when i was 22 and it came out, when blonde came out i was 26 and skeptical)
i'm not gonna even acknowledge your third point, because it's becoming clear that you're just a troll who refuses to actually read the posts in this and other threads and engage critically
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
think of frank ocean as mainly a millennial phenomenon. orange came out in 2012
might be wrong
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:28 (three years ago) link
j0rdan's praise wasn't entirely unreserved, ignore that adjective
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:28 (three years ago) link
xp. might be wrong about the former, not the latter, lol
no it's ok i have very little reservation about praising frank ocean
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:29 (three years ago) link
probably young enough to count as a 'kid' here (i am 25, pretty sure i'm one of the youngest active posters?) and while channel orange was quite good, blonde was one of the most frustrating albums released last decade. it has plenty of fantastic moments, but it's also incredibly inconsistent and fragmented, a lot of what it's trying to do just doesn't work at all for me. and endless is just not very good. it's felt like the mythology around him has long outgrown the actual music
are you going to complain about ilm not liking say, the life of pablo or kids see ghosts enough too idk
― ufo, Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
no they're shit
endless is very good though
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:32 (three years ago) link
I did this podcast where we were talking about him and I listened for a couple weeks to both albums a lot and definitely "got" it in a new way that i hadn't beforethough I guess I came away with the non-majority opinion that Channel Orange > Blonde but I liked both
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:35 (three years ago) link
it has a very "California" vibe that I'm a sucker for
My partner on the episode was a younger millennial and she talked about hearing Orange and getting really into him and then waiting on line at a special in store event for Blonde and feeling like that record was a really special thing in her life
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link
which talking to her about it made me like it more in a way
blonde was a very important record for a lot of people my age, and i did eventually appreciate it, but as evidenced by my posts in this thread, it took a little time.
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
voodoo I hope you like frank ocean the correct amount
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:40 (three years ago) link
xps well you can make exactly the same case that it's just generational that ilm doesn't like tlop and ksg so if you want the frank sceptics to engage you should probably at least try to sell people on his merits rather than complaining about a generational divide
― ufo, Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:41 (three years ago) link
channel orange is >>> to me but it's also a top 5 record of the 2010s for me easy
i haven't put blonde on for a while... it's kind of a morose record, largely about isolation and disaffection... it's kind of a whole thing to put it on for me. i guess channel orange is about those things too but it has that sun dappled california feel and character driven songs so it's easier to just put on
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:40 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
blonde, more like goldilocks
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
xpost jord that was it for me, like blonde seemed like a deeper record but I don't really want to be in that headspace compared to orange
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
xpost kanye is 43 I feel like ppl forget his age
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:50 (three years ago) link
43 year old 3 year old
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
loved ocean's prior work but blonde, even after multiple listens, is just a nonstarter for me.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 March 2021 11:20 (three years ago) link
Looks like no one really said anything about "DHL" when it was posted upthread, but the second half of that track is incredibly addictive, my favorite thing he's done in rap mode. Really seemed like a new album was coming soon coming soon, don't know what happened
― J. Sam, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
I’m 50 and I still adore Blond, it was a very important record to me at the time, flaws and all. So impatient for the next one, which I thought was about to drop at the start of 2020.
― assert (MatthewK), Friday, 12 March 2021 13:32 (three years ago) link
frank ocean is the most overrated and overvalued pop singer in a long time.
and he's still able to manage at least two or three songs every album that are complete smashes. so idk.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 12 March 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link
i'm an old white man, btw.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 12 March 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
you'd be mad to pull frank to bits. what is to criticize? coolest contemporary voice in music. his vocal alone is enough to warrant status. blonde, i can't think of a better full length from the last decade that's so of its time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qKP32GYiks
― maelin, Friday, 12 March 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
still think Nikes is not a good song tho
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Saturday, August 25, 2018 1:50 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 March 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
RIP Pepsi
― J. Sam, Friday, 12 March 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
you'd be mad to pull frank to bits. what is to criticize? coolest contemporary voice in music. his vocal alone is enough to warrant status. blonde, i can't think of a better full length from the last decade that's so of its time.
RIP criticism
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 March 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
i mean cool, opinions, good, i wanna hear you tell me what's bad about it. it's deliberately fragmented, confused, emotional, delicate. aloof... it's a fine self-portrait. feels like an elliott smith record to me or something - i'd say that without the sample in there, too
― maelin, Friday, 12 March 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
The bloodline to singer-songwriter stuff is exactly what puts me off, actually, so otm.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 March 2021 20:07 (three years ago) link
or, as i like to say: one man's trash is another man's less smelly trash.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61fhqJRhbhL._SY355_.jpg
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
i rest my case.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link