― el wanko, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Search: Phaedra, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Cyclone (hey, it's different), either Ricochet or Encore (you don't need both- -they're practically the same damn album, except Encore's a double), Logos, soundtrack to Legend. Froese's solo albums Aqua and Stuntman are great as well.
Destroy: Electronic Meditation, Le Parc, Tyranny of Beauty and probably everything else they've released since 1985
Neither: Force Majeure, soundtracks to Sorceror and Flashpoint
― Joe, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
For the unenlightened this was one of the *cough*, better, Knight Rider rip-offs.
I bought a few of the early albums in a Cope inspired binge about 5 years ago, I found them quite unremarkable really - except for the track 'Fly and Collision of Comas Sola' on 'Alpha Centauri' which I listened to a lot at the time. If I recall correctly it had this incredible drum-lead crescendo. I'll have to dig the albums out and give them another list
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― KCoyne, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Nairn, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 22 August 2002 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
I can't say I'm not into it all, though - even the later stuff. I find it difficult to pick on TD, I don't know why "new age" (if that is indeed what they are) is such a dirty term. Sometimes I'm in the mood to listen to an album like Underwater Sunlight or Tyranny of Beauty, or Optical Race and Melrose for that matter.
― patrick, Friday, 23 August 2002 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 23 August 2002 10:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
The ones I like:
Zeit: recently heard this. Very much better than I thought it would be, not the semi-shambles of other early stuff, and also as beatifully alien as Stratosfear.
My favourites are these:Phaedra - like some nebula with a new star in it.Rubicon - like that star is fully formed, now getting rid of the gas and dust that came before.Ricochet - Steady radiance. Someone said it was like Encore.. It's not. It's better by far. :)Stratosfear - Doesn't stand too much repeated listening, but is still the strongest work, maybe. Some of those tunes seem like the kind of magic that ought to move big rocks.Force Majeure - good, but they leave a good idea too soon instead of developing it. I like the Bach-like counterpoint stuff at the end, but not as much as the rock in the middle. Cloudburst Flight is the best. If I had to have just one single track by TD, it's that one. :)Tangram - Intricate stuff, like origami, and small machines.White Eagle - Mojave Plan is special to me, mainly for the arid opening and the bassline at the end that seems like a low flight along the course of a desert pipeline.Cyclone - Which has one amazing track: Madrigal Meridian. If they'd not changed their course as a result of public displeasure with this, it might have meant TD being far more inventive now than they became. The weird baroque goings on with the lyricon and the clavichord and hurdy-gurdy sounds at the end are like some beatiful new tree that sadly got cut up. It should have been allowed to grow.Poland - I love this. It seems to be one of the truly inspired and vivid things they've done live.Exit - I've heard the Orbital, Back To Mine CD too. :) They chose the wrong track! Should have been 'Remote Viewing'. That is a far stronger piece.
I'd best stop there. :))I came looking for a thread on the Great Never Mind The Bollocks Debate. :) Got a bit sidetracked. The Pistols are special too, so, back to business...
― The Doctor, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― TS: Alan Stivell - A l'Olympia vs. Magma - Live/Hhaï (Dada), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― TS: Alan Stivell - A l'Olympia vs. Magma - Live/Hhaï (Dada), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link
So you'd recommend Zeit, then? Anyone care to elaborate on the descriptions above, or should I search for the other thread?
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
I got an original pressing of this last year in Krakow, and it has been one of my constant companions since. Especially the track "Horizon." I like some of their other stuff, but this is what I consider their 'gem,' so to speak.
― trees (treesessplode), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link
i like the cheesy 80s shit way more than i "should"
― M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link
It was my first T. Dream album and remains my favorite. I've recently discovered that my city library has a copy of the bootleg box set! Worth checking out.
― lukeeluke (soulex45), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/02/tangerine_dream.html
― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 28 April 2007 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link
i think "rubycon" / "stratosfear" are the best, though i'm still trying to really absorb "atem" and "force majeure"
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 07:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Stratosfear is brilliant. as is Atem. And I like Electronic Meditation.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 08:10 (sixteen years ago) link
And Ash Ra Temple are great. Not overrated.
― filthy dylan, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
"electronic meditation" sounds to me more like those early road cone kraftwerk albums ("vol 1 + vol 2")
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmmmmmmmmm, I thought I knew "Statosfear" but I'd never heard it before. I don't like it, it sounds like soundtrack music - but not in a good way. They just can't write decent melodies, the melodies they do write are so banal, and the synths are edging towards cheesiness. They still did some good music after this tho.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 September 2007 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I prefer mid period Tangerine Dream. Those late 70s/early 80s albums. Lost of great arpeggio synths.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Stratosfear is great!
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Wallpaper prog.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 September 2007 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
S: Edgar Froese's first few solo records. More mellotron, less rock. More pleasure.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I feel like an idiot for not having gotten around to this music. Which albums sound the most like TD trying to be Steve Reich as in the Risky Business soundtrack?
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link
their soundtrack to thief makes every scene feel like it's the big final end scene
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Which albums sound the most like TD trying to be Steve Reich as in the Risky Business soundtrack?
I don't know Hyperborea, but I haven't heard anything else from them that sounds like the Risky Business stuff.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
"Sequent C'" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.
― Turangalila, Sunday, 28 December 2008 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I love everything they did in the 70s, including the one with vocals.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 28 December 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Just picked up Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear for $5 each at a used shop, finally. I've been waiting for a good point to jump into the TD discography, and this seemed as good a chance as any, so here I go...
― ilxor, Saturday, 7 March 2009 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
cant argue with those albums. You need Force Majeure though.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll keep my eye out!
― ilxor, Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Pity spotify doesnt work in america, theres loads of TD on it. Sadly the 1st 5 arent but the ones you mentioned are on it, most of the other 70s stuff is on it as well as the dodgy 80s stuff.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I've become a big fan of Green Desert over the last few years. It's prime era 70s TD that wasn't released until the mid 80s. And it has DRUMS.
― Nate Carson, Monday, 9 March 2009 02:02 (fifteen years ago) link
"Dolphin Dance" from the Underwater Sunlight LP is a banger.
― uncannydan, Monday, 9 March 2009 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link
man "Lana" is so great
― butthurt (deej), Sunday, 30 August 2009 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJVouCbneGM
― butthurt (deej), Sunday, 30 August 2009 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Not much love for my favorite, Hyperborea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxPTjPzTVdM&feature=related
― Miles "Tails" Davis (Daruton), Sunday, 30 May 2010 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Caveat: the visuals are, predictably, total cheese.
― Miles "Tails" Davis (Daruton), Sunday, 30 May 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Poland is pretty fucking massive I must say.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't suppose anyone's listened to the new one, the gate of saturn?
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 16 June 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
it finally occurs to me today after many years that "Ricochet, Part Two" is fucking sick
― korea opportunities (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
I have been playing the two Virgin box sets a lot recently. I had some of the lps originally but not all of them. You can hear the synth technology getting better as time goes on, but "Hyperborea" is still a classic way to end their Virgin contract. And the Edgar Froese set which came out a few months ago is very very good, his first two solo albums are nearly the equal of "Rubycon" and "Ricochet".
― Rob M Revisited, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
Tough call, but I would maybe start with Tyger and Underwater Sunlight
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
i actually tried the opening track of Tyger on the drive home.umm .. dreadful vocals.way way worse than Cyclone which i have got used to.i guess i need to give the album more listens/time then.
― mark e, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link
Tyger is their worst
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link
The Jerome Froese era is really really dicey. I kind of like:Mars Polaris/Rocking MarsParts of the Dante trilogy Views From A Red TrainMaybe a couple of others I’m forgetting. But it would be fair to skip over his tenure entirely to when quashneng (?) became the main partner
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 12 August 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
Supposedly, Rockoon was so bad it caused the Tangerine Dream fanclub to disband in disgust.― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, August 11, 2021 7:38 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
When I got into The Notwist circa _Shrink_, found a Geocities fanpage that was being discontinued because the German fan couldn't stomach the electronic direction. The humorless disavowal made me laugh.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 12 August 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link
Hyperborea : one of the best headphone albums ever ? quite possibly.
― mark e, Friday, 20 August 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
Hyperborea rules
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Friday, 20 August 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
i love how the first two tracks are all spaced-out then "cinnamon road" comes in all electro-pop with that same (or similar) plunky sitar patch moroder was using around that time
― clouds, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
I love that patch
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link
Title track of Hyperborea is underrated:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIeRTgg3So
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 04:42 (two years ago) link
not in this house it isn't.i have heard all the classic Virgin era releases many many times over the years, and yet, Hyperborea is the one I still come back to the most whenever I get the urge to listen to TD.
― mark e, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 06:11 (two years ago) link
white eagle is my favorite
― clouds, Friday, 3 September 2021 04:27 (two years ago) link
Exit is getting a lot of love around here at the moment. Choronzon... wow.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link
yeah, hyperborea, white eagle, and exit = my favourite era.
a few weeks on from the haul, and i am finding these 90s releases nowhere near as painful as i was expecting.i guess going in with low expectations helped.even Tyger with more dreaded vocals works for me when in the mood (i.e. hungover sundays), but Underwater Sunlight, Canyon Dreams and the Dream Remixes are definitely the ones i have enjoyed the most.
― mark e, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qPMPJpRnc
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 16:24 (two years ago) link
Shame they're only miming! That's from the era of TV when science shows, science-fiction shows and music shows all shared a similar visual style. From the intro, you could be expecting an astronomy program, or Doctor Who.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
Shame they're only miming!
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 18 November 2021 02:51 (two years ago) link
Yeah, it sounds like playback, albeit a different mix to the LP.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 18 November 2021 13:21 (two years ago) link
This just popped up on my Spotify:
Probe 6-8 provides a glimpse into the forthcoming Tangerine Dream studio album (due for release in early 2022). A sequencer driven sound - reminiscent of TD’s early 1970s work - is combined with a lush 1980s crystalline bliss. The trio of Thorsten Quaeschning, Ulrich Schnauss and Paul Frick has composed and produced Probe 6-8 with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements and Otari Tape Archive (featuring recordings from 1977-2013). The first track Raum is a nod to the band’s early live studio performances Zeit and Phaedra, utilising a distinctive heavy Moog bass (which marks the beginning and the end of this 15-minute piece). This new set of recordings also feature two remixes - Berlin-based composer and producer Grand River (Aimée Portioli) has given ‘Raum’ her signature sound and ‘Continuum’ was remixed by Berghain resident and Leisure System co-founder Sam Barker.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 26 November 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
decided to listen to Raum (2nd album by the "new" TD, and their 237th overall) and you know what, it's pretty good! reminds me of Ulrich Schnauss, even though Schnauss himself is no longer in the band. I think it really does capture the spirit of the group.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 20:36 (one year ago) link
I've always said, 237th time is the charm! Do you feel that Froese was holding them back at all in their later days?
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 23 June 2022 14:18 (one year ago) link
well I can't bring myself to shit talk Froese, but I think there was a tendency for cosmic analog synth pioneers to get lost in the possibility and efficiency of digital electronic music which led them to create a lot of shit directly from their software that sounded like it belonged in a PC game from 1995. it happened to Schulze, it happened to Jarre, it happened to Todd Rundgren, and yeah it definitely happened to Edgar
so I guess I'm not surprised that a revamped TD with no original members would actually sound quite good
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link
The electric violin has been a really good addition for TD.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 23 June 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link
IMO they were abysmal during the Edgar + Jerome lineup, perked up a bit when Quaeshning (sp?) joined, woke up fully when Schnauss was added for Mala Kunia. I expect to like the posthumous stuff when I get around to it!
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 23 June 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link
Listening to Raum now, pretty much what I'd hoped for from the Ulrich Schnauss lineup, thanks.
― death generator (lukas), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link
Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 23 June 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
?
Maybe my favorite record of the last ten years is that Subatomic Sound System 'band' remix based on their touring show with Scratch Perry toasting joining in on top. It's released as Lee "Scratch" Petty - 'Superape Returns to Conquer'.
I thought it was a pretty darn good modern updating of some old sounds. I'd loved to seen that group.
I love Tangerine Dream and actually have a bunch of their stuff on vinyl LP and I dug the couple of Ulrich Schnauss cdS I had from early days, I listened to that 'Far Away Trains Passing By' when I was going on the old IDM bulletin boards that came out of MP3.com and Ampcast and Musika.com. I got on a couple of CDR label comps made by people on the boards.
People like Bola and Ulrich Schauss and whatever Plaid was upto were doing were popular records. Schnauss was definitely in that area like Boards of Canada. That kind of stuff was more home listening music like the 70s records than as much for clubs.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 23 June 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link
I dunno when the last time they played live was but apparently Raum was "composed and produced with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements (and Otari Tape Archive with recordings from 1977-2013)"
― death generator (lukas), Sunday, 26 June 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
― frogbs, Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:24 AM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink
whereat, please?
I found a Boiler Room performance from 2018 and a fan-shot video from 2022 in Glasgow
― death generator (lukas), Friday, 15 July 2022 19:19 (one year ago) link
ricochet -> rubycon -> stratosfear -> sorcerer score -> encore -> cyclone -> force majeure
what a fucking run
― ivy., Monday, 8 January 2024 20:21 (four months ago) link
Stratosfear is the one that's never grabbed me, but I heard Baumann's Romance 76 over the holidays, and it's a very striking version of similar material. The second side of the album features choir and orchestral instruments, almost like a precursor to what Klaus Schulze would do in a couple of years.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 8 January 2024 22:54 (four months ago) link
Any time Edgar Froese picks up a guitar I recoil tbh
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Monday, 8 January 2024 22:57 (four months ago) link
Froese is one of my favourite bad guitarists, I can't excuse it yet still love it
― manson family whatsapp group (Matt #2), Monday, 8 January 2024 23:00 (four months ago) link
I'm with Tom on this one. It isn't EF's lack of technique that bugs me so much as his lack of style, which is what separates him in my mind from people like Neil Young. But I also think Gottsching wanks entirely too much, so maybe I just have a weird aversion to German electric guitarists who also happen to be pioneers of ambient music
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 00:08 (four months ago) link
Yes, it's not that he can't play, it's that he rarely plays anything interesting or certainly not interesting enough.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 00:16 (four months ago) link
Froese's guitar is not a fount of melody, but I think of him less like, say, David Gilmour and more like the German Ron Asheton, where it's more important to fill a certain amount sonic space with "guitar sound" rather than choose your notes wisely. On the other hand, I wouldn't say the records of this era are really full of guitar (except side 3 of Encore).
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 02:49 (four months ago) link
Except Ron Asheton's playing is a good thing in the Stooges. He is definitely trying for Dave Gilmour but falling well short.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 09:52 (four months ago) link
Totally disagree about Gottsching by the way, he was an amazing guitarist.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 09:54 (four months ago) link
I agree, but he's occasionally excessive, ie side 2 of E2-E4
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 13:10 (four months ago) link
in 1984 at the age of 16 i saw t'dream on their 'le parc' tour at st georges hall in bradford.the band were like a bunch of mad scientists behind their racks of machines while surrounded by screens.then at the climax of the sonic chaos, edgar stepped away from the machines and let rip re the guitar while the screens all went into overdrive re fire.basically while the machines and edgar went into overdrive it looked like they were all enveloped in fire.it was thrilling to the extreme.so yeah, he may not have have been good guitarist, but damn, he was a great showman.
― mark e, Friday, 12 January 2024 22:32 (four months ago) link
Gottsching is incredible on the Walter Wegmuller album
― frogbs, Friday, 12 January 2024 22:34 (four months ago) link