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― PaulTMA, Thursday, 28 July 2022 16:18 (one year ago) link
Sometimes I think that they've been dragging their feet with this one because it's the last reissue anyone will be excited about.
I realize WMS is not going to be high on priority lists -- some excellent live shows from that era, though -- but I do want to see Bloodflowers get the treatment just so at long last there's a properly available version of "Spilt Milk," absolutely one of the greatest songs, and I still don't know why it never made Join the Dots.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 July 2022 16:20 (one year ago) link
oh i'm actually v curious about what a wms reissue would entail
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 July 2022 16:29 (one year ago) link
it would be very cool to see some of the full swing tour shows released.
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Thursday, 28 July 2022 16:31 (one year ago) link
A few things missing on that reissue: eg unplugged Letter to Elise, live early versions from the secret gig, but yeah this is exciting. Otoh the October release makes me think this was green lit once it became clear that the there would be no new album for the tour.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 28 July 2022 16:57 (one year ago) link
"...nine of which are completely unrelaxed songs"
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 28 July 2022 16:57 (one year ago) link
HOW long ago did I start this thread
seventeen years agoa measure of life
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 28 July 2022 17:06 (one year ago) link
...too apt.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 July 2022 17:33 (one year ago) link
live early versions from the secret gig
I do half wonder if there's supposed to be a reissue of Show/Paris in the works with more.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 July 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link
I was thinking Show would be next. As its their only live album to align with a film a natural three-disc set is assumedly a possibility. Only problem with that is extras.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 28 July 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link
I can't imagine quite what a WMS set would look like but it's probably where the existence of JTD would frustrate the most given those B-sides are better than a lot of the album.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 28 July 2022 17:48 (one year ago) link
re: wish era live extras-they recorded two full nights in paris. the coinciding album is basically a highlights disc. would love to see at least one of the complete shows released.
and yes it's short, but i would go goofy over an official release of their mtv unplugged set. licorice otm: that version of "elise" is magic.
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Thursday, 28 July 2022 18:03 (one year ago) link
All these early versions were infinitely better than the final studio takes
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 28 July 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link
seventeen years, a three-disc version, and STILL no release for Slvvy!
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 28 July 2022 19:57 (one year ago) link
This is such amazing news but I'm with baaderonixx, what does this mean for the new album?
― Bee OK, Thursday, 28 July 2022 23:09 (one year ago) link
The only remastered one I don't own is Mixed Up but all the other ones I have the expanded copies. I will buy Wild Mood Swings as well, if and when that one comes out.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 28 July 2022 23:11 (one year ago) link
checked and a Show reissue was first promised before the Wish reissue was
― ufo, Thursday, 28 July 2022 23:16 (one year ago) link
I'll be buying WMS as well - its quality may, or may not, be patchy but it'll be fascinating regardless of its form.
I'm extremely fond of the original Mixed Up, which was a big CD for me growing up, so the deluxe was a no-brainer for me. The new mixes weren't all that but CD2 at least is largely solid (it was worth it just for A Japanese Dream with that crunchy drum outro).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 28 July 2022 23:56 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/t5v8xfs.png
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Friday, 29 July 2022 03:49 (one year ago) link
What are the best WMS b-sides? That was my first Cure album, which put me off them for ages. Even now I can hardly muster the energy to put it on
― PaulTMA, Friday, 29 July 2022 11:30 (one year ago) link
HomeA Pink DreamOceanIt Used To Be MeAdonisWaiting
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 29 July 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link
Good news indeed. Wish (heh) they'd included the B-sides.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 July 2022 13:10 (one year ago) link
You'll get that box set and you'll love it. (Why haven't you gotten that box set.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 July 2022 15:17 (one year ago) link
All those WMS b sides sound fine but all very indistinct. Would they have made a superior album or would it be medium-paced water-treading? The feeling is that in the end, they picked the songs that had variety....
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 30 July 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
A few years back I made a "lost album" of tracks from 'Wild Mood Swings' and era b-sides, when (contra "indistinct") I realized there was a thread of consistent production signatures, particularly a heavy use of strings, across a good number of the tracks.
I honestly suspect there might have been a different album they had in mind at some point--many of the b-sides even have segues and transitional portions more like what you'd expect from an album. Surely not this exact track list (especially not including "Dredd Song"), but something like it. It's ultimately no 'Disintegration,' but I like it better than any proper album after that one. I've always been a fan of their more tonally consistent albums (i.e. 'Disintegration,' 'Faith,' etc.) than their "mood-swingy" ones, and their moody tracks more than their manic ones, so 'This Is A Lie' is, in my "head-canon," The Cure's mid-90s album:
The Cure - 'This Is A Lie'('Wild Mood Swings' Era Reconsidered)01 - Adonais02 - Jupiter Crash*03 - A Pink Dream04 - Treasure*05 - Home06 - Waiting07 - Dredd Song08 - It Used to Be Me09 - Numb*10 - Ocean11 - Bare*12 - This Is A Lie (Ambient Mix)Total Time: 53:43* From 'Wild Mood Swings'
01 - Adonais02 - Jupiter Crash*03 - A Pink Dream04 - Treasure*05 - Home06 - Waiting07 - Dredd Song08 - It Used to Be Me09 - Numb*10 - Ocean11 - Bare*12 - This Is A Lie (Ambient Mix)
Total Time: 53:43
* From 'Wild Mood Swings'
https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/thisisalie_small.jpg
Assuming you have 'Wild Mood Swings' and the 'Connect The Dots' box, you can sequence it or download it here.
― Soundslike, Saturday, 30 July 2022 01:39 (one year ago) link
I was being a bit mean when I said the WMS B-sides are a better than "a lot" of the album proper. They sort of feel apart from it altogether to me which is probably due to the variety feel they were going for. The only real dud on the album for me is "Round & Round & Round".
Anyway, re:Wish, can I just say the Higher Mix of "High" is maybe a top 10 Cure track for me. Outdoes the album/single version completely, which to make room for the jangle has the keyboard arpeggios mixed far too low :(
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 30 July 2022 16:43 (one year ago) link
Thanks for that excellent "lost album", Soundslike. I've listened to it a bunch of times now and enjoyed it. That's more than I can say for WMS, which I listened to probably 2x max and shelved in disappointment.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 31 July 2022 10:58 (one year ago) link
It's excellent rainy day Cure music, too. Love the 1-2 punch of "It Used To Be Me' into "Numb".
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 31 July 2022 11:00 (one year ago) link
Glad you're enjoying it! It is oddly compelling--pulls one through its running time like an album should. All the strings and transition parts of the tracks make me think that must've been the intent, at one point. I definitely like it better and have listened to it many more times than 'Wild Mood Swings'.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 31 July 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link
Dunno. It does hang together and clearly thatβs the album RS initially set out to do (admitted so in that recent extensive WMS retrospective in DEK magazine) but I find most of these songs ponderous and kinda boring (like most of his post-Wish output), mikes away from the eerie mystery of Nick Drake who was apparently the inspiration for that aborted album.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 1 August 2022 13:14 (one year ago) link
Well, it wouldn't make my top 5 Cure albums, but I was surprised at how good it is compared to how I thought about them at the time (largely due to finding WMS haphazard and its manic bits unconvincing).
― Soundslike, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 02:00 (one year ago) link
woo! after twelve years of waiting my deluxe Cure CD collection will finally be complete
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 03:05 (one year ago) link
(wouldn't say no to nice deluxe editions of In Orange or Show, of course)
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 03:09 (one year ago) link
Hopefully the deluxe version of Wish will come with the correct tracklisting (no "Friday I'm In Love")
― raven, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
uh, What?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 15:25 (one year ago) link
i assume that raven just doesn't like that song
― akm, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 17:11 (one year ago) link
nevermore!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 17:11 (one year ago) link
I'll grant that it's very poppy and well overexposed, but it's the last time they were successful at writing a really good pop song.
― akm, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 17:49 (one year ago) link
I donβt know, Robert argues that Mint Car is a better pop song which should have been a hit and I kinda agree with him
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 18:05 (one year ago) link
The End Of The World felt like a very worthy Cure single to me at the time, although it hardly tore the charts up
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link
also Mint Car sucks
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 22:56 (one year ago) link
yeo
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 22:57 (one year ago) link
yep too
i've come around and will defend "mint car", but that's still otm
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 22:57 (one year ago) link
Mint Car is my - maybe - third from the bottom on WMS. Prefer all the other singles, even Strange Attraction.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link
battle of shitty pop cure
"mint car" v "strange attraction" FITE
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
'Can I use some of your lipstick?' doesn't do as much damage as, oh no, 'a gorgeous strawberry kiiisss [kissing sound] [wolf-whistle]' :(
Also I really like the main instrumental melody on Strange Attraction and how Simon does bass overtime on the intro, as though he was meant to be playing a noisier song + how this all goes into some random calypso.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
Christ i fucking loathe Mint Car.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:19 (one year ago) link
"it almost hurts"
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:21 (one year ago) link
ste says it's perfect pop
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:26 (one year ago) link