The Cure boxset "Join the Dots", the tracklisting is here!!!!!

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For me, the major revelation is listening to Splintered In Her Head, especially on headphones the construction of drum/precussion delays/pitch shifting and varispeeded voices are scary as hell.

Chris, I have a 2nd gen monitor mix of All Cats Are Grey sneaked onto quarter inch during a break in recording by a tape-op, it's not a million miles different from the original but enough as to be of interest (tom placement, sfx at start and end louder) I could dig it out if yr interested.

mzui, Thursday, 5 February 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

STILL DON'T HAVE IT ARGH

(They stopped by yesterday, them UPS people, but when I was out and they need a signature dammit. So TODAY since I signed the slip. Grr.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I'm WETTING myself to see what they dig up for that extra cd's worth of Goodies for 3IB/17 Seconds/Faith/Head On The Door/Pornography especially!
I have crappy Head On The Door demos, be nice to have them in pristeen stereo.

Those Elvis Costello re-issues should be a yardstick for bonus beats, Get Happy! Just amazing!

mzui, Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

I have a sneaking suspicion the second discs won't be "packed," but who cares - remastering the first wave of Elektra CDs is priority #1. The CD of Seventeen Seconds is a blasphemy.

What could we see beyond:

TIB: All the extraneous material from the 1st wave that wound up on BDC, maybe even "See the Children"? haha. I wouldn't be surprised if Smith relegates "Object" to disc 2...
17 Seconds: peel sessions, live tracks - the demos wouldn't be that good, I would think they'd go for live stuff, the 17 tour was their first big one, some of their best shows. Prospect Hill!
Faith: Carnage Visors, demos, unreleased tracks (back in the late 80s, a collector told me there were four or five songs from these sessions no one has ever heard - can you verify?), peel sessions
Pornography: peel/jensen sessions ("Ariel"), demos, AIHTDIKH.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

Sign of hyperCuregeek happiness = knowing what the last acronym is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

I'd been told that there are comprehensive demo versions of the first few albums (excepting 3IB), but I know nothing about unreleased material, now that would be something. Isn't there a batch of Pornography demos with Smith writing drum parts and playing them?

As for live stuff, well I said it before but there should be proper releases of IMO:

Lille 81
Arnheim 80
Herford 80
Werchter 81
Zomerpop/Jaapeden Halle. Shortish, Dutch Radio Broadcasts 81
Paris 82
Japan or Washington 84

And thats just for starters, never mind all those BBC live concerts!

Wasn't Prospect Hill an audience jobbie?

mzui, Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

All I Have To Do Is Kill Her? Yay...
Isn't that just an early version of Forever?
And while you UberGeeks are here, explain the difference (if there is one) between All Mine and Forever, and why is it called Forever (version) on the Curiosities cassette.

mzui, Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

The CD of Seventeen Seconds is not only the first CD I ever bought, but also probably my all-time favourite album. Chris, does this mean it's actually *better* than the version i've been hearing? Fucking hell.

However, i'm saddened to admit that I have no idea what that acronym stands for - care to share?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

oops, xpost.

anyone got any live KMKMKM-era boots? I'd love a whole gig...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

All mine is an improvisation, as is Forever. I guess they received different titles to distinguish them. Am I wrong in thinking that the title Forever comes how it was baptized on Curiosity?
I'd be a bit disappointed if most of the 2nd discs are made up of live material.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

Mzui identified it -- "All I Have to Do Is Kill Her," which to my knowledge was only ever performed once as a strung-out piece of weirdness at a Paris show in 1982.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

yep, Bataclan 82
itself a variation of All Mine, I would say

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

CD mastering was, technologically speaking, in its infancy when Elektra batch-issued the Cure's early albums, I think it was in 1987, around the time of KMKMKM? Not sure. At any rate, the mastering job is god-awful, because Mike Hedges was a fanatic about low-end at that time. The kick drum on 17 Seconds and Faith distorts on the CD. On vinyl - even on Happily Ever After, the wave goes right through you. It makes a huge difference in space and clarity, and I'm no audiophile purist. It's really glaring. Head on the Door was crushed as well, though the mid-heavy mix is a common cocaine side-effect ;)

KMKMKM boots are terrible, I regret to inform you. Most of the ones I've heard are soundboards from American dates, and Boris was playing a heavily electronic kit. Sounds like a Yamaha RX-7 through a Boss pedal, really dead and flat. The most widely available KMKMKM boot is Santa Barbara CA.

"All Mine" is just Smith wanking on guitar, as he was wont to do before anthems ("Disintegration" during the prayer tour, he always does it before "Three Imaginary Boys"). "Forever" was a more structured, mounting improvisation based around a frankly boring riff that built to crescendo. It dates from The Top tour as far as I know, it was another way to get Porl's sax in there. They did it with Shellyan Orphan in 1989 at their supposed "Last American show ever - we mean it!", and it was pretty awful. Cure: not a jam band.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

Prospect Hill was an audience job, but there's something to be said for that, they were such a compact unit then, and in the small club, it just sounds perfect, really raw and tense. It's the same songs but those shows are the polar opposite of 17 Seconds in terms of energy and attack.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

wow, i must hear that

tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

the prospect of all these remasters has me more excited about the cure than i've been in many many years

i rented the trilogy dvd and made it about halfway through the disintegration set before having to turn it off. :(

tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Forever derives from Three and you can find a version on the 17 Seconds era Peel Sessions

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

i rented the trilogy dvd and made it about halfway through the disintegration set before having to turn it off. :(

You missed hearing the versions of "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and "The Kiss" at the end = your loss.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

Baaderist, can you direct me to that Peel Session? I have the 1980 session and the Morgan Vale recordings, none of them even have "Three" let alone "Forever". I just did a little digging and it looks like a lot of people have "Forever" as one of the unreleased Faith recordings I was referring to earlier.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

Anybody have the dirt on when exactly these reissues are coming out? How many albums? Is this going to be on their new album, iam or whatever?

A quick google search revealed nothing to me.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I'm going to have to buy this since the 192 slsk rips still sound like ass to me. But it's nice just to hear all this stuff again.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY. It finally arrived = I know what I'm listening to for the next few hours.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

And again at full blast tomorrow, prolly.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Hearing a proper clear/remastered "To the Sky" is just plain wonderful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:47 (twenty years ago) link

GUESS WHAT I BROKE DOWN AND SPENT THE ELECTRIC BILL MONEY ON TODAY?????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

That took you long enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

(Although guess what I just mp3d...?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

And this psychedelic mix of "Hello I Love You" is hypergrandespifftastic.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't made it off the first disc yet! I realized I'd never listened to "New Day" on headphones before and, if it's at all possible, I love that song even more now than I did before.

Also, "SPLINTERED IN HER HEAD" OMG WTF AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:17 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe I need to do the headphone thing with this set next (I'm happily blasting it in the apartment).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

"Speak My Language," "Happy the Man," "The Exploding Boy," "A Man Inside My Mouth," "Chain of Flowers," "Babble" and "2 Late" all sound very nicely much more there to my ears now.

*"Harold and Joe" starts*

Oh, that too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

There's all kinds of cool stuff going on in the background of "Happy The Man" that I never noticed before! And "Lament"!!!!!!!

I think if my wife woke me up in the middle of the night and shouted "SHAPE IS STILL ASLEEP WITH THE TOYS" at me, I Would simultaneously shit myself and have a gigantic screaming orgasm.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:21 (twenty years ago) link

(Um, let's pretend I didn't write that last sentence, okay?)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

I like the cut of your jib, but not the girding of your loins.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, all kinds of loin issues going on in that last post, sorry.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:24 (twenty years ago) link

Man, hearing the 'dizzy' remix of "Just Like Heaven" is flashing me back to junior year at UCLA big time, dark January nights and hanging around with friends. Ah, beauty.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, don't you think the flexipop cut of "Lament" is awful compared to the boot versions we've had? Where's the reverb gone! The moans around 1:22 are so lifeless!

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

Huh? Sounded great to me! Now anyway, "This Twilight Garden" yay dreamy floaty echo on vocals into bell-like percussion plus the keyboard cascades and...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

Also, where's he going to unload the 12" version of "Just One Kiss". That and the extended video remix of "Pictures of You" are in my Top 5 Cure rarities.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

Await the reissues. Also, amuse yourself by imagining Ministry covering "Just One Kiss" and the Cure doing "Just One Fix."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

For Chicago based Cure fans, I saw a copy of this box at the Crow's Nest in the Music Mart downtown. They're going out of business so everything's 25% off. I think they had it marked around 40-45...so you could get a deal if you hurry down there.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

"Play" is vastly better, the drums had no treble or attack on the original mixes (nor did anything around the time of Wish...)

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, crisis: I find myself turning off Cure in favor of Ride.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

Chris, I didn't know you liked _Carnival of Light_! You nut, you.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 February 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

If indeed you're turning off the Cure in favor of Carnival of Light or Tarantula for that matter, then there is no hope.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

Of course not. "Walk on Water", perhaps.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago) link

Oh dear me, it just ended, five hours of the Cure, oh shucks oh darn. How awful that was.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 06:59 (twenty years ago) link

Chris, you were right: Forever was recorded for a Peel Session in 1981, along with the Cold Colours version of Primary.

re. Dots, for the moment, I've been most impressed by Speak My Language, which I've never really cared about. It has an actual groove now! I've only listened to the 1st disc on my actual stereo (ie. while the rest I've encoded and played on the CPU).

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 6 February 2004 08:46 (twenty years ago) link

"Speak My Language" has always had a groove, though!

($39.99 at Newbury Comics, BTW.)

The thing that's amazing me is how much I love the instrumental to "Breathe" because I've never really liked that song. I'm still not convinced by the vocal, though.

Also, "Hey You!!!" is flat-out wonderful.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

ned, i'm sure you're right about the bonus tracks at the end, but i just couldn't watch anymore.

and ben, thanks for the tip about crow's nest (kinda sad that they are going out of business). join the dots was sold out though. everything $18.98 and lower is on sale for $10.99 so i did manage to walk out of there with a lot of music!

tricky disco (disco stu), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link


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