― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link
ames Blount, your votes have been recorded.
Your Pazz & Jop albums ballot was submitted as follows:
1. - Rio Baile Funk: Favela Booty Beats - Essay (25 points)2. Dizzee Rascal - Showtime - Matador (15 points)3. - DFA Compilation #2 - DFA (13 points)4. Big $ Rich - Horse of a Different Color - Warner Bros. (12 points)5. - Run The Road - 679 (7 points)6. The Hold Steady - Almost Killed Me - French Kiss (7 points)7. Mia/Diplo - Piracy Funds Terrorism Vol. 1 - Hollertronix (6 points)8. Les Savy Fav - Inches - French Kiss (5 points)9. Devin the Dude - To Tha X-Treme - Rap-A-Lot (5 points)10. Infinite Livez - Bush Meat - Big Dada (5 points)
Your Pazz & Jop singles ballot has been recorded as follows:
1. Mia - ""Galang"" - Showbiz2. Boredoms - ""Seadrum""3. Gretchen Wilson - ""Redneck Woman"" - Epic4. Cécile - ""Hot Like We"" - Greensleeves5. Britney Spears - ""Toxic"" - Jive6. LCD Soundsystem - ""Yeah (Stupid Version)"" - DFA7. Jason Forrest - ""Spectacle to Refute All Judgments"" - Sonig8. Mya featuring Chingy - ""Fallen (Zone 4 Remix)"" - Interscope9. Alicia Keys - ""You Don't Know My Name"" - J-Records10. Ciara featuring Missy Elliot - ""1, 2 Step"" - La Face
― blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Gregory Conner, Tufts Observer
http://www.tuftsobserver.org/arts/20041210/top_10_albums_of_2004.html
Brian Wilson—SMILE: What can I say about SMILE that hasn’t been said?
Arcade Fire—Funeral: Ah, PitchforkMedia.com. At times I find it disturbing that I have a strong relationship with a website...
Interpol—Antics
Wilco—A Ghost is Born: Thirteen minutes of something that sounds like a room full of refrigerators! What was Wilco thinking!?
Loretta Lynn—Van Lear Rose: To be honest, I probably would have never picked this record up if it wasn’t for Jack White...
Green Day—American Idiot: This was the surprise of 2004 for me.
Franz Ferdinand—Franz Ferdinand: This album was even better before I heard “Take Me Out” so many times I became nauseous at the sound of its first guitar flourish.
Iron and Wine—Our Endless Numbered Days: Singer-songwriters may have the hardest job in music. It is up to only them whether they succeed or fail; they have no band to pick up the slack or superstar producer to save them with a new beat. Kanye West—College Dropout: The rap album of the year.
The Hives—Tyrannosaurus Hives
― Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Talent Explosion (Talent Explosion), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link
Kanye West—College Dropout: The rap album of the year.
vs
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link
the word "college" is in the title. He uses his full name. It's laudibly gangsta-free. It has a hefty promotional budget. Release the same album as Kay-Way's Ballz Up In Dat II: The Unchallenged Greatest with a picture of Kay-Way holding a shotgun and see if it does as well critically.
(some of my best friends are kanye fans. I kinda like "All Falls Down" and "Workout Plan" - can't stand the chipmunk hits)
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Bingo. Hey Outkast was my number #3 last year! And I like the sloppy-ass Prince-rip disc more than the rap one!
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link
ah, but the non-andre hippity-hop was present in my singles list ("Get Low" and "Faint") and album list (northern state)
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
i don't know a single country fan who would say the same of loretta's album.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Talent Explosion (Talent Explosion), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link
One my best friends in town would say the same thing (so will Xgau!).
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 31 December 2004 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
I wonder how many people who love hiphop would also find valuable an 'indiecentric' 2004 top 10 list
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 31 December 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 31 December 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link
hey, I voted for Devin AND Kanye! where's my laudibly non-gangsta prize?
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 31 December 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~mbarret1/Graphics/berkely03/gangsta.jpg
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 31 December 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link
(xp stevie: I really dreaded this, y'know)
-- What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatri...), December 30th, 2004.
Nate is pretty OTM, especially there. and Anthony, are you actually using that asshole Byron Crawford to back up your point?
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 31 December 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link
ANYway - other than that Al, I agree w/ you and Nate, and I think the Kanye album is pretty damn great on the whole - and no, many of the album tracks are just as strong as the singles ("we don't care," "family business" "Two Words" etc.)
Moving on:
yeah the kanye rhetoric is quite possible by far the most fucking absurd i've seen around any hip-hop record ever, outdoing speakerboxx/thelovebelow, outdoing lauryn, outdoing 16 years of 'nation of millions' hyberbole even maybe (ok maybe not that).
Huh? So Rocafella convinced a bunch of corny rock fans that they were listening to backpacker rap bcuz kanye doesn't talk about guns. The "Not since de la soul and public enemy!" rhetoric is stupid, but it always is - this is just another of countless examples.
all the rockcrits feeling icky about getting gop cooties from country and then rallying around fucking "jesus walks" is fucking insane.
Maybe ILM/the blogosphere is somewhat to the left of the critical mainstream but shit - the country poseurism that I sense - and I want to make it clear I'm not calling anyone out, it is just highly suspicious when suddenly everyone jumps on the mainstream-country-is-so-great bandwagon when chuck eddy mentions how good big and rich are - seems pretty fucking pervasive around here. In fact, I'd say Big & Rich would be a much BETTER example of Outkast for the 2k4 than Kanye is - and I like that Big and Rich album more than SB/LB (SB was the better half, by the way).
anyone wondering about how christianity's been used to 'tame' the black man in america for over three hundred years need only glance at a couple of the hundred or so "jesus walks" hosannahs - "dont be angry / dont be fucking / just pray and pray again": ugh. i guarantee you if rove thought bushco had a real shot at the black vote or hadn't (astutely) decided "fuck the blacks, lets try to get the hispanic vote" then "jesus walks" woulda been the "born in the usa" of 1984. plus kanye's a shitty rapper.
I disagree w/ practically all of this. And your narrative of the history of black christianity that neglects to give any agency to african americans is pretty disturbing too.
― deej, Friday, 31 December 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link
One thing that contradicts my argument that could be accurate was the statement people made last year that andre's album was an introduction to hip-hop, and perhaps the fact that kanye - who, as Nate said, is "100% hip-hop" - is about to win is somehow related to andre's success. And perhaps this parallel will translate to big and rich + some other act next year. But I have a hard time believing it.
I've only been reading the blogosphere/ILM critical thing for about two years, so maybe my ability to detect critical trends lacks perspective, but I can't help but feel like there are certain "in" genres/styles/albums every year that are in vogue to the critical establishment - and while ILM/blogosphere may be the more progressive end of the critical establishment, i see the same sort of thing happening here.
Example:Not that she has a perfect perspective or anything, but a friend of mine from school is jamaican and has a huge interest - understandably - with jamaican music, and she said that she felt dancehall had a better year this year than in 2003. Yet in the critical blogosphere, the opposite conclusion was reached. Not that she has a "more correct" view or anything - but I guess what I'm getting at is that it seems that trends and fads do sort of sweep the critical world and I felt like that was happening here. I mean, look at how Dizzee is doing this year vs. last year - respectably, but aside from enthusiasts, the pfork massive haven't (to my knowledge) exactly been shaking stores down for wiley albums or other grime singles.
― deej, Friday, 31 December 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link