Love it when JPM is all, "I wanted to do it, but George wouldn't let me."
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 14:08 (one year ago) link
that stuff is pretty legit - someone used it to clean up a Genesis concert circa 1973 or so and it looked and sounded amazing.
as far as AI creating "new" Beatles songs or whatever I think it's pretty inevitable, in fact what I'm pretty sure will happen is someone will generate 500 of them and a couple will actually be pretty good and then a band like Pomplamoose will "cover" the AI-generated song in a way that's lavish and expensive and it will maybe even become a hit the same way those Paul Oakenfold remixed Elvis songs were, there will be a lot of handwringing about royalties and the future of music but ultimately I don't see it becoming a regular mainstream thing.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 14:14 (one year ago) link
I wonder if by the time we get to the point of everyone on the planet with internet access being able to make any kind of insane art/music/photography/film/animation by typing 'make this thing...' into a laptop, we'll be past the point that anyone will be looking/listening/caring and the 60th Anniversary Vinyl and 8 Track cartridge of The White Album will be about ready to roll out.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 14:17 (one year ago) link
― pplains, Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:08 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
That was the thing, if any one member of the Beatles didn't want to do something, then they didn't do it. The first time they went ahead despite a 3-1 vote was when they voted in favor of hiring Allen Klein instead of Lee Eastman to sort out their management.
When they initially tried recording "Now and Then," George was the one who cut the session short, and he hadn't been too keen on the other "new" songs as it was. Now that he's no longer around to have a say, it's kind of a dick move by Paul to "finish" it anyway.
(And if Paul's gonna release stuff George had vetoed, maybe he should finally release "Carnival of Light.")
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
The first time they went ahead despite a 3-1 vote was when they voted in favor of hiring Allen Klein instead of Lee Eastman to sort out their management.
― Alba, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link
now and then is a love song to paul so fuck what the dead old man thought about it exit thread
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
then a band like Pomplamoose will "cover" the AI-generated song in a way that's lavish and expensive
Get my favorite band's name out of your mouth, frogbs
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link
paul's lyrics already sound like they were written by AI, TS: "wonderful christmastime" vs. "The best Christmas present in the world is a blessing"
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link
Wasn't George kind of strong-armed into going on tour with Jimmie Nicol instead of cancelling it?
― Alba, Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:58 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
None of the Beatles wanted to tour without Ringo, but yes, especially George ("If Ringo's not going, then neither am I. You can find two replacements.") It wasn't that George was outvoted by the others (and I assume Ringo's vote would have been "no"), but that Epstein and George Martin (who chose Nicol, having worked with him) pressured them to do it -- it would only be a few shows (a total of eight out of 30 performances), and they couldn't postpone the tour on one day's notice, Ringo having been hospitalized the day before the first show.
(Fun fact: Nicol's last show with them was 59 years ago today.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
That anecdote about having John, Paul, and George take turns sharing a room with Ringo for the sake of sealing their friendship always touched me.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
Just a bad idea all around, especially given the negative reception for the previous two "new" recordings. The "Now and Then" demo is even drearier than "Free As A Bird."
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
yeah but they will likely clean up both of those other tracks with a remix. I'm fine with this; people have been begging for this track for years. And if they can use some tech to better clean up Lennon's vocals on the other songs, fine.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link
But can AI de-gate the Jeff Lynne snare?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 18:55 (one year ago) link
Yeah that one blew my mind when I saw it. I think restoration and "cleaning" up old footage that might otherwise be lost to time is one good use case, but not sure it alone counterbalances all the horrifying shit coming our way in the next decade.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 19:16 (one year ago) link
think about all the grainy, low-quality Can footage out there though
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0)
it's always weird to me when people try to erase the horrific consequences of technology by pointing out the good things that have come out of it!
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 19:43 (one year ago) link
Yeah I was more just noting that frogbs' use case was actually one of the very few that I'd put in the "pro" column, a use I didn't really think about. But on the balance, I'm just fine with nipping AI in the bud right now even if it means grainy Genesis vids lol.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 20:20 (one year ago) link
i deserve to see Game 6 of the 1986 ALCS in 4K dammit
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 21:12 (one year ago) link
"Carnival of Light" when
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 05:06 (eleven months ago) link
More like “Carnival of Shite,” innit?
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 11:45 (eleven months ago) link
Being for the Benefit of Mister Shite
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 11:47 (eleven months ago) link
guys it's out already
The 56-year wait is over.On the 20th May 2023, for the first time ever, the complete Carnival of Light session from The Beatles. #TheBeatles #CarnivalofLight @johnlennon @PaulMcCartney @GeorgeHarrison @ringostarrmusic pic.twitter.com/wsVu5EClNT— The Beatles (@TheBeatIesOffic) April 20, 2023
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 12:03 (eleven months ago) link
waiting for an ai that is capable of covering "carnival of light" based only on the descriptions that exist
― ufo, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 12:26 (eleven months ago) link
Goddamnit you had me for a bit there
― octobeard, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 17:20 (eleven months ago) link
Holy shit me too, what are we like..
― piscesx, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:33 (eleven months ago) link
I honestly cannot think of a song that connects so completely with how I remember christmas as a kid as Wonderful Christmastime. Even the Peter Serafinowicz skit couldn't smear it for me.
I always liked Free As A Bird, the chorus at least (was cooler on the modern verse, and the Wilburies-esque slide guitar). Never felt too strongly about Real Love until the music teacher at my kid's school had the choir sing it at a concert a year or so back and it just makes me blub ugly tears when I hear it now as a result.
― serving aunt (stevie), Monday, 26 June 2023 07:36 (eleven months ago) link
Real Love was always my preferred one of the two; it really does pierce my heart on "seems that all I really was doing was waiting for you". Regina Spektor did a good version that just goes on a bit too long. I don't think anyone notable has ever covered Free As A Bird, have they? They should!
― Alba, Monday, 26 June 2023 09:43 (eleven months ago) link
Mine too.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2023 10:12 (eleven months ago) link
I didn’t think I would, but I think of them as part of the Beatles catalog now. It’s kind of a miracle they threw so much into the Anthology really, I mean George was so done with it all.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 June 2023 10:48 (eleven months ago) link
Oh geez that was longer ago now than the project was after their breakup.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 June 2023 10:50 (eleven months ago) link
George didn't have much of a choice about participating in the Anthology, as his film company was about to go bankrupt, and his business manager was stealing from him. I'd argue that George enjoyed it by making the new stuff work for him: he chose the producer, he put his slide guitar all over the songs, and stood up to Paul.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 26 June 2023 14:00 (eleven months ago) link
"Real Love" isn't bad - like if I pretend it was a Lennon guest spot on, say, the first Traveling Wilburys album, it would be a stand out - but Jesus, they processed the shit out of Lennon's vocal and it sounds awful compared to the recording used in his own Anthology (and also on Wonsaponatime). I think someone said that the cassette they used was a poor quality dub, i.e. far from the best master now known to exist, and to be fair maybe Lynne was trying to hide that in some way. If anything they should remix that track using the better source tape and use A.I. to help clean it up.
― birdistheword, Monday, 26 June 2023 16:32 (eleven months ago) link
lol George already looks fed up with Paul at 2:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQi3UkJbIGM
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2023 16:34 (eleven months ago) link
George would've been happy without the cameras there. And Paul would've been unhappy without the cameras there.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 26 June 2023 16:43 (eleven months ago) link
George and Paul said often that so long as they talked about their wives, kids, gardening, anything but The Beatles, really, they were best mates.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2023 16:46 (eleven months ago) link
Makes sense.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 June 2023 17:03 (eleven months ago) link
but Jesus, they processed the shit out of Lennon's vocal and it sounds awful compared to the recording used in his own Anthology
this is where the ai-enhanced demixing technology can really work wonders, so I wonder if we'll get remixes of both of these songs.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 26 June 2023 17:48 (eleven months ago) link
i'm listening to ram this morning and if you don't think this rules you're trying too hard
― ivy (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:46 (eleven months ago) link
oh i see this isn't even where the ram discussion was happening
too many people here preaching practices imo
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:48 (eleven months ago) link
Now I want to know where the Ram discussion is happening
― Alba, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 14:12 (eleven months ago) link
I’ll talk about Ram all day. Where’s the kettle on the boil there?
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 21:06 (eleven months ago) link
Press to Play, y'all.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 22:08 (eleven months ago) link
Rumour has it that Giles Martin is using Peter Jackson's AI stuff to remix the Red and Blue albums to coincide the release of the "new" Beatles track.
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Monday, 17 July 2023 18:38 (ten months ago) link
Yes apparently he said the remixes “sound like Imagine Dragons, but it’s The Beatles”.Also Paul's voice has reportedly been de-aged for Now and Then. I choose to believe none of this is true.
― Alba, Monday, 17 July 2023 18:51 (ten months ago) link
I’m here for the Anthology singles with the Lynne dialed down. Probably too awkward if Giles were to do it while Lynne is still around, tho.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 17 July 2023 19:25 (ten months ago) link
Imagine there are dragonsIt's easy if you try
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 July 2023 19:36 (ten months ago) link
Funny how this thread was borne out of the frustration that nothing was being done with the Beatles' records, and now it's gone really far in the wrong direction.
― birdistheword, Monday, 17 July 2023 20:20 (ten months ago) link
haha
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 17 July 2023 20:21 (ten months ago) link
"I have had it up to here with the endless remasters of the Beatles catalogue"
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 17 July 2023 20:22 (ten months ago) link