A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

now I'm trying to figure out Dream Theater figure into the context of "Party Like A Rockstar," thx ILM

Neil Peart fans who've seen the F&G episode love to note that Neil Peart actually performed at the Buddy Rich Memorial Concert.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Buddy Rich.

Most highly skilled guitarists, bassists, AND drummers now gravitate towards prog and metal. Except the ones with no sack who gravitate towards jammin'.

Yeah and he's fucking terrible at big band!!

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plus it's weird to act like the arcade fire and shins are like the fucking shags or something...they are pretty fucking slick and pro sounding to me..it's not like they can't play...and arcade fire doesn't look bored on stage do they? aren't they like super hyped up and shit? so much stuff that contradicts itself.

The notes are the same as a James Brown beat or whatever, but when it's played with all the accents at full volume and riding the crash cymbal and distorted guitars all over the places it's not really funky.

also that it keeps heavy emphasis on the 2 and 4 in a very rawk way. all of which is why it's only kind of a funk beat.

also, did you guys, like totally miss out on math rock and all the indie dudes the grew up liking Don Cab and Trans Am and everything?

i brought up math rock and indie prog about 200 posts ago, but only in a passing mention

Wasn't it Buddy Rich AND Gene Krupa, "The Monster"?

xpost ok i missed that, because yeah i'd make the argument that if anything indie and punk dudes are way MORE technically competent and chops dudes than they were in the 80s by far.

also i have the double vinyl of "interdependence" by A Minor Forest that I'd part with for $20 email me!

Buddy Rich playing on funk tunes is actually pretty sick (even though I guess he claimed not to be into backbeat music).

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I guess the album is Krupa & Rich, but that cut is only Buddy or something.

SFJ doesn't think the Arcade Fire don't have live skills, but rather that they don't bring to the stage what he wants. He says after a recent concert that "even though the music was surging in all the right places, I was weary after six songs." He then tries to pinpoint why he was weary, and concludes: "And what I really wanted to hear, after a stretch of raucous sing-alongs, was a bit of swing, some empty space, and palpable bass frequencies."

He's saying he'd be less weary if there was a bit of swing, etc. So I suspect Trans Am would have the same effect. Chops aren't the issue, boredom is, and he traces the boredom to sonic segregation in indie rock.

Christgau in Pazz and Jop last year talked about Nirvana's "inspired, if accidental, synthesis",

Not "last" year -- That year. (= 1991).

chuck will probably protest but i'd say that metal had at least as much to do with leadfoot drumming these days as indie did

Actually, I wouldn't protest this at all. But most metal feet didn't really turn leaden until the '80s, to my ears. (And there are plenty of exceptions.)

In the episode, the dad claims its Gene Krupa.

I remember him, Joe Flaherty, saying "Buddy Rich? Gene Krupa? I grew up with these guys!"

Maybe in the US, but in Britland, all the (rock) things indie was an alternative to have disappeared

It is possible that grunge and American "alternative" rock is long since gone, but for the audiences that made Britpop sell so much it became mainstream, Britpop was more of a reaction against hip-hop and dance than it was against grunge. Hip-hop still surely exists here in Europe (even in Britain) in its current form called "contemporary R&B". Dance isn't quite as huge as it was in the 90s, but is still very much around.

broadcasting live from mars

btw guys

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9923/p1171007257291boq7.jpg

carry on

Neil Peart actually organized the Buddy Rich memorial with Buddy's daughter, if I remember correctly.

To taint metal drummers by comparing them to Lars Ulrich is a travesty.

" I challenge you to walk the halls of my practice space building on a tuesday night and repeat those two statements."

Any time.

Maybe in the US, but in Britland, all the (rock) things indie was an alternative to have disappeared

No, I think whoever said this was OTM. Hip-hop, RnB, dance have all been squeezed big time. You might get the odd Kanye song on Radio 1, but compared to the 90s/early 00s, our popular music culture is incredibly monotonous.

To taint metal drummers by comparing them to Lars Ulrich is a travesty.

dude i'm not saying all metal drummers are bad, but there's tons of dudes that do that dead ass alice in chains stuff to this day, and bad metallica shit....to say that they are on the whole better than any other genre is just wrong....

I like Lars! I mean as a metal drummer, not as a modified funk drummer.

Gotcha Matt-I agree

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I think Lars is weak, especially compared to some to the guys from his scene (Lombardo, Bostaph, Menza).

actually alice in chains are secretly one of the most influential rock bands of all time, if you ever dig into suburban sports bar type scenes.

otm

"bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart"

yeah like two gay dudes who pretty much lived in a van for weeks at a time wouldn't fuck each other

wow this is some bullshit

that's exactly why we should let grant hart in the army.

shit shouldn't

either way

also grant is apeshit crazy

I know Grant is apeshit crazy. The absolute gall of artdamages' comment is still offensive.

I get the sense it was a joke.

yeah i know, that's why i made the whole army joek thing...although...i don't know how any redblooded gay dude could manage to keep his hands off this hott dish for two weeks:

http://www.artrocity.com/rockshots/images/BOBM03.JPG

thats a picture of a baby

a sexy baby

"hott dish" = cream of wheat?

hot dish forever, casserole never!

The absolute gall of artdamages' comment is still offensive.

otm but good luck with that one M, I mean as Big Hoos notes "it's a joke"

can we have a different thread at the top of the new answers page plz

good thing you bumped it

From the OED entry for "miscegenate, v.":

1994 Harper's July 49/1 Clogging, Scotch-Irish in origin and the dance of choice in Appalachia,..has now miscegenated with square dancing and honky-tonk boogie to become..country tap dance.

otm but good luck with that one M, I mean as Big Hoos notes "it's a joke"

-- J0hn D., Wednesday, 17 October 2007 21:32

As an earnest statement it would be offensive. As a joke it's just in bad taste. There's a difference.

But I'm speaking for myself, obviously. Feel free to be offended.

I'll remember art damages' advice next time I walk into a straight bar. The first one to look at my crotch gets a punch in the face.

i didn't feel like my comment took any gall. i won't try to back it up though because whats the difference what an artist's intentions are?

guys artdamages is gay.

and black.