once sent from the golden hall is one of my favorite death metal albums. one of my favorite metal albums, period.
― scott seward, Saturday, 29 August 2009 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I consider them all death metal, but there are the Defenders of Brutality to say that Arch Enemy are thrash or that Children of Bodom are power metal (?!). I didn't want to get smacked down for not being troo enough.
― If you think drum machines have no soul, you've never met my wife (J3ff T.), Saturday, 29 August 2009 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
http://cache.umusic.com/web_assets/merch/week7/gaga/300x250_price.gif
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 29 August 2009 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Avant Garde Black Metal (for louis Abbott)
That's really the only metal I listen to. That and BÖC and I'm not sure they count.
― god bless this -ation (Abbott), Sunday, 30 August 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
death for sonics, black for vibe.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Sunday, 30 August 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
for combination of death sonics and black vibe and absurd genre name--blackened death. new behemoth record slays (and is a billboard charter).
death all the way for me.
― adam, Sunday, 30 August 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't honestly know if i could choose between "obscura"/"slaughter of the soul"/"heartwork" and "transylvanian hunger"/"nattens madrigal"/"obscuritatem advoco amplectere me" with gun to head.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Sunday, 30 August 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 14 September 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I like a lot of bands in variants of both styles, and delete most of what I download in both styles. As least in terms of the subsets of these styles that I like, myself, it's kind of a flow. Early Death Metal was an attempt to push metal's center of gravity back towards aggression, away than theatricality, which seemed like a great idea to me (the theatricality also seemed like a great idea to me; plenty of room in the universe for contradictory styles...). As Death's tropes became codified, aggression gave way to the mannerisms of aggression, or maybe they were mannerisms all along, but they moved from being invented mannerisms to being imitated mannerisms. Anger kind of morphed into thuggishness, which is what happened to punk, too. Black Metal, then, took over as the next reversal, a way out of the constraints and associations built up around Death Metal, back to some nihilistic menace. And by now this, too, has been taken to its self-caricaturing extreme.
But of the last 10 new Death or Black metal bands I've discovered I like, I'm not sure any of them are clearly Death and not Black. And Funeral Mist will be on my top 10 for this year, at least. So Black, on current strength, given that I have to pick one...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link
black metaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalblack metaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal
― both HOOSlarious and truthful (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link
didn't a.a. play deathfest this year?
yep
ended up voting str8 black-metal, maybe somewhat disingenuously given the options, but not given the poll title
not that i won't be sticking gorguts on again real soon and letting my jaw drop
― alien vs the smiths (country matters), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
It doesnt really matter LJ, as far as I'm concerned, I would just be adding any votes for Avant Garde BM to BM's votes anyway. It was only an option for hipsters who were too scared to vote BM anyway!*not that I'm calling you a hipster (how could an Oceansize fan be hip?)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
they're Manchester's answer to Animal Collective
― alien vs the smiths (country matters), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Ha, I wonder if Abbott and I will be the only ones who vote for avant-garde black metal. I do actually think it's some of the most interesting and enjoyable rock music of the past 5 years or so, although my knowledge of it is probably shallow (and mostly ILM-derived). Still, <3 Caina/Alcest/Nachtmystium/Deathspell Omega/Blut Aus Nord/Spektr.
Enjoyed the Necrodemon clip.
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I do actually think it's some of the most interesting and enjoyable rock music of the past 5 years or so
It is. :D
Earlier, as I said on a different thread, I heard Moonsorrow's 'Chapter V' by accident and it was revelatory, a quite gorgeous experience. Not exactly straight BM, but a great example of an original take on the genre, done superbly well. How those songs sustained my interest like that is testament to the thought put into their crafting.
― alien vs the smiths (country matters), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I stuck to B/D out of respect for the intent of the poll. But Blut Aus Nord and Deathspell Omega, yah. I don't know that I can really tell the difference between "avant-garde black metal" and "non-avant-garde black metal", other than assuming that "boring" = "non-avant-garde", in which case "avant-garde black metal" just means "whatever I find interesting". Which seems like a cop-out...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link
man I listened to so much fuckin metal today
right now it's all about finland for me
― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
is it okay to burn a church in front of a baby?
― Suggest Bander-Meinhof Complex (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
teach... your children hell...
― GOVERNMENT TRASH QUEEN ON A THRONE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i desperately wish to hear a serious BM/Delta Blues synthesis. yes i does.
― all you need is love vs. money (that's what i want) (Ioannis), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link
deth
― The Perfect Weapon 2, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 08:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"I wonder if Abbott and I will be the only ones who vote for avant-garde black metal."
I voted straight Black Metal. A lot of what I like could be wedged into some sort of avant-garde BM category, but I just don't think it's meaningful at all. As far as I can see, BM has always included loads of "avant-garde" experimentation, it's not something that started at some arbitrary point five years ago or whatever. It's right there at the centre of the genre, and always has been.
I get a lot less out of what I hear from sworn exponents of Death Metal, but there's no question that the same arguments against a separate avant-garde category would apply.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Still, AFAICT there is a difference between Spektr and, I dunno, Emperor or something. I just meant that I don't know the genre as a whole really well but do enjoy and listen to what gets classified as 'avant-garde'. Like, I enjoy Mort more than I enjoy the more traditional BAN tracks that I've heard. I wonder if some of the bands I mentioned might possibly be better classified as "post-rock BM" or "psych/prog BM".
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"there is a difference between Spektr and, I dunno, Emperor or something" - Yes, but probably no more more than the difference between Emperor and Mayhem, and a certainly a lot less than between Emperor and Abruptum - and I'm not slagging off Emperor BTW. There is truly wild stuff to be found from all eras of BM, trust me.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm still not clear on what's being classified as avant-garde.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Stuff hipsters like.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
What about stuff weird avant-garde people like?
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
That's death metal.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Take a handful of bad acid, stick an Abruptum CD on repeat, and call me from jail.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
So if I like Deathspell Omega, Absu, and Lair of the Minotaur, am I a weird avant-garde person, a hipster or what? You're kinda giving me an identity crisis here, Alex.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
(If we have hipsters in Windsor, I'm pretty sure I'm not one of them.) xpost
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, your points are well-take though, Soukesian. I'll listen to Abruptum.
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
xxpost it depends on which one you like the most obviously.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
If I said I liked Deathspell Omega most, what then?
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
if you can imagine a kid in a carpathian forest t-shirt hearing about it before it's discussed at a mogwai show, it is not avant-garde.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think I've ever heard carpathian forest or mogwai.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
only one of those is a mistake.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxp then you are goth
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
what a relief!
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
if you can imagine a kid in a minor forest t-shirt hearing about it before it's discussed at a death angel show, it is avant-garde.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Haha, Abruptum was an avant-garde black metal and dark ambient band from Sweden
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.heavymetalonline.co.uk/acatalog/GS130.gif
^^^ not avant-garde.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
"dark ambient" doesn't really appeal to me ... it reminds me of hippies.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
On Deathlike Silence, not on MTV any time soon . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yv_l6aDmRc
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
"Abruptum was an avant-garde black metal and dark ambient band from Sweden"
If they'd been from Norway they would have been straight Black Metal. It's the Swedish thing that avant-garde's 'em up a bit.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
nice to hear some love for that album. i seem to remember it was mocked for being easy listening on the rolling metal thread when it came out, but i've always loved it - even if it isn't very heavy.
multi-xpost - i don't understand what would make Deathspell Omega "avant-garde"... they seem like straight, if not discordant, BM with some pretty strong DM (specifically Morbid Angel/Suffocation) influences to me.
― Highly trained BBQ chef (rockapads), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Also the fact that the lead singer was a dwarf.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
he was also the opening to the vortex of all evil, don't forget that part.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
obscuritatem really does make all "avant-garde" metal sound like it's not trying hard enough.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link