The Cure boxset "Join the Dots", the tracklisting is here!!!!!

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anyone got any live KMKMKM-era boots? I'd love a whole gig...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

All mine is an improvisation, as is Forever. I guess they received different titles to distinguish them. Am I wrong in thinking that the title Forever comes how it was baptized on Curiosity?
I'd be a bit disappointed if most of the 2nd discs are made up of live material.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

Mzui identified it -- "All I Have to Do Is Kill Her," which to my knowledge was only ever performed once as a strung-out piece of weirdness at a Paris show in 1982.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

yep, Bataclan 82
itself a variation of All Mine, I would say

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

CD mastering was, technologically speaking, in its infancy when Elektra batch-issued the Cure's early albums, I think it was in 1987, around the time of KMKMKM? Not sure. At any rate, the mastering job is god-awful, because Mike Hedges was a fanatic about low-end at that time. The kick drum on 17 Seconds and Faith distorts on the CD. On vinyl - even on Happily Ever After, the wave goes right through you. It makes a huge difference in space and clarity, and I'm no audiophile purist. It's really glaring. Head on the Door was crushed as well, though the mid-heavy mix is a common cocaine side-effect ;)

KMKMKM boots are terrible, I regret to inform you. Most of the ones I've heard are soundboards from American dates, and Boris was playing a heavily electronic kit. Sounds like a Yamaha RX-7 through a Boss pedal, really dead and flat. The most widely available KMKMKM boot is Santa Barbara CA.

"All Mine" is just Smith wanking on guitar, as he was wont to do before anthems ("Disintegration" during the prayer tour, he always does it before "Three Imaginary Boys"). "Forever" was a more structured, mounting improvisation based around a frankly boring riff that built to crescendo. It dates from The Top tour as far as I know, it was another way to get Porl's sax in there. They did it with Shellyan Orphan in 1989 at their supposed "Last American show ever - we mean it!", and it was pretty awful. Cure: not a jam band.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

Prospect Hill was an audience job, but there's something to be said for that, they were such a compact unit then, and in the small club, it just sounds perfect, really raw and tense. It's the same songs but those shows are the polar opposite of 17 Seconds in terms of energy and attack.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

wow, i must hear that

― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

the prospect of all these remasters has me more excited about the cure than i've been in many many years

i rented the trilogy dvd and made it about halfway through the disintegration set before having to turn it off. :(

― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Forever derives from Three and you can find a version on the 17 Seconds era Peel Sessions

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

i rented the trilogy dvd and made it about halfway through the disintegration set before having to turn it off. :(

You missed hearing the versions of "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and "The Kiss" at the end = your loss.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

Baaderist, can you direct me to that Peel Session? I have the 1980 session and the Morgan Vale recordings, none of them even have "Three" let alone "Forever". I just did a little digging and it looks like a lot of people have "Forever" as one of the unreleased Faith recordings I was referring to earlier.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

Anybody have the dirt on when exactly these reissues are coming out? How many albums? Is this going to be on their new album, iam or whatever?

A quick google search revealed nothing to me.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I'm going to have to buy this since the 192 slsk rips still sound like ass to me. But it's nice just to hear all this stuff again.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY. It finally arrived = I know what I'm listening to for the next few hours.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

And again at full blast tomorrow, prolly.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Hearing a proper clear/remastered "To the Sky" is just plain wonderful.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:47 (twenty years ago) link

GUESS WHAT I BROKE DOWN AND SPENT THE ELECTRIC BILL MONEY ON TODAY?????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

That took you long enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

(Although guess what I just mp3d...?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

And this psychedelic mix of "Hello I Love You" is hypergrandespifftastic.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't made it off the first disc yet! I realized I'd never listened to "New Day" on headphones before and, if it's at all possible, I love that song even more now than I did before.

Also, "SPLINTERED IN HER HEAD" OMG WTF AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:17 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe I need to do the headphone thing with this set next (I'm happily blasting it in the apartment).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

"Speak My Language," "Happy the Man," "The Exploding Boy," "A Man Inside My Mouth," "Chain of Flowers," "Babble" and "2 Late" all sound very nicely much more there to my ears now.

*"Harold and Joe" starts*

Oh, that too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

There's all kinds of cool stuff going on in the background of "Happy The Man" that I never noticed before! And "Lament"!!!!!!!

I think if my wife woke me up in the middle of the night and shouted "SHAPE IS STILL ASLEEP WITH THE TOYS" at me, I Would simultaneously shit myself and have a gigantic screaming orgasm.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:21 (twenty years ago) link

(Um, let's pretend I didn't write that last sentence, okay?)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

I like the cut of your jib, but not the girding of your loins.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, all kinds of loin issues going on in that last post, sorry.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:24 (twenty years ago) link

Man, hearing the 'dizzy' remix of "Just Like Heaven" is flashing me back to junior year at UCLA big time, dark January nights and hanging around with friends. Ah, beauty.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, don't you think the flexipop cut of "Lament" is awful compared to the boot versions we've had? Where's the reverb gone! The moans around 1:22 are so lifeless!

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

Huh? Sounded great to me! Now anyway, "This Twilight Garden" yay dreamy floaty echo on vocals into bell-like percussion plus the keyboard cascades and...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

Also, where's he going to unload the 12" version of "Just One Kiss". That and the extended video remix of "Pictures of You" are in my Top 5 Cure rarities.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

Await the reissues. Also, amuse yourself by imagining Ministry covering "Just One Kiss" and the Cure doing "Just One Fix."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

For Chicago based Cure fans, I saw a copy of this box at the Crow's Nest in the Music Mart downtown. They're going out of business so everything's 25% off. I think they had it marked around 40-45...so you could get a deal if you hurry down there.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

"Play" is vastly better, the drums had no treble or attack on the original mixes (nor did anything around the time of Wish...)

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, crisis: I find myself turning off Cure in favor of Ride.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

Chris, I didn't know you liked _Carnival of Light_! You nut, you.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 February 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

If indeed you're turning off the Cure in favor of Carnival of Light or Tarantula for that matter, then there is no hope.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

Of course not. "Walk on Water", perhaps.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago) link

Oh dear me, it just ended, five hours of the Cure, oh shucks oh darn. How awful that was.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 06:59 (twenty years ago) link

Chris, you were right: Forever was recorded for a Peel Session in 1981, along with the Cold Colours version of Primary.

re. Dots, for the moment, I've been most impressed by Speak My Language, which I've never really cared about. It has an actual groove now! I've only listened to the 1st disc on my actual stereo (ie. while the rest I've encoded and played on the CPU).

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 6 February 2004 08:46 (twenty years ago) link

"Speak My Language" has always had a groove, though!

($39.99 at Newbury Comics, BTW.)

The thing that's amazing me is how much I love the instrumental to "Breathe" because I've never really liked that song. I'm still not convinced by the vocal, though.

Also, "Hey You!!!" is flat-out wonderful.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

ned, i'm sure you're right about the bonus tracks at the end, but i just couldn't watch anymore.

and ben, thanks for the tip about crow's nest (kinda sad that they are going out of business). join the dots was sold out though. everything $18.98 and lower is on sale for $10.99 so i did manage to walk out of there with a lot of music!

― tricky disco (disco stu), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

The only mashup I ever did: Mogwai's "2 Rights Make 1 Wrong" w/ "Breathe".

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

I believe that, if you search thoroughly enough, my own -edited - opinion on this collection is also accessible, somewhere on the interlabyrinth.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think I've ever actually heard a good copy of "Coming Up" before.... MY GOD I LOVE THIS BAND.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

Oy Oy. I've got something to say:

from Steven Severin website:

Next up is the remastering and re-release of all of the banshees albums. This is set to start in November in batches of 3/4 albums at a time. The GLOVE "BLUE SUNSHINE" (21st. anniversary edition) album will be included in the second batch (poss. January 2005). It will include a newly unearthed 'tribute' track by Mr. Waverly entitled "(Fearing the worst, the private detective goes in search of The Glove, following a dubious tip-off, he finds himself in) THE SEEDIEST LOUNGE BAR IN THE UNIVERSE". "

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

Lovely news, but I WANT THEM BANSHEES B-SIDES. So if the albums come out with nothing extra or there isn't a Join the Dots equivalent (and they could easily fill 4 CDs worth), grr.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

The SATB is in such dire need of remastering.. I knew it'd be worth holding on before buying the stuff on CD!

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

I've had it all on disc since about 1990 so for me this won't be too painful per se.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Finally got my copy of Join The Dots...mmm, what a thing of loveliness. Doubt I'll be listening to disc 4 much though, and the large chunk of Japanese Whispers on disc 1 gets skipped through cos it's a bit of a con innit? Meh.

Anyone manage to get tickets for The Cure's London Barfly show this Friday? They're going for a grand a pop on eBay, apparently, but it's for charidee so that's ok I suppose.

Oh, and this, copied from Popbitch:

"Tom Middleton aka Cosmos is recording a new track with Jonny Marr from The Smiths and Robert Smith from The Cure."

Interesting!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 4 March 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

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