didn't a.a. play deathfest this year?
yep
― both HOOSlarious and truthful (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link
ended up voting str8 black-metal, maybe somewhat disingenuously given the options, but not given the poll title
not that i won't be sticking gorguts on again real soon and letting my jaw drop
― alien vs the smiths (country matters), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
It doesnt really matter LJ, as far as I'm concerned, I would just be adding any votes for Avant Garde BM to BM's votes anyway. It was only an option for hipsters who were too scared to vote BM anyway!*not that I'm calling you a hipster (how could an Oceansize fan be hip?)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
they're Manchester's answer to Animal Collective
― alien vs the smiths (country matters), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Ha, I wonder if Abbott and I will be the only ones who vote for avant-garde black metal. I do actually think it's some of the most interesting and enjoyable rock music of the past 5 years or so, although my knowledge of it is probably shallow (and mostly ILM-derived). Still, <3 Caina/Alcest/Nachtmystium/Deathspell Omega/Blut Aus Nord/Spektr.
Enjoyed the Necrodemon clip.
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I do actually think it's some of the most interesting and enjoyable rock music of the past 5 years or so
It is. :D
Earlier, as I said on a different thread, I heard Moonsorrow's 'Chapter V' by accident and it was revelatory, a quite gorgeous experience. Not exactly straight BM, but a great example of an original take on the genre, done superbly well. How those songs sustained my interest like that is testament to the thought put into their crafting.
― alien vs the smiths (country matters), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I stuck to B/D out of respect for the intent of the poll. But Blut Aus Nord and Deathspell Omega, yah. I don't know that I can really tell the difference between "avant-garde black metal" and "non-avant-garde black metal", other than assuming that "boring" = "non-avant-garde", in which case "avant-garde black metal" just means "whatever I find interesting". Which seems like a cop-out...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link
man I listened to so much fuckin metal today
right now it's all about finland for me
― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
is it okay to burn a church in front of a baby?
― Suggest Bander-Meinhof Complex (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
teach... your children hell...
― GOVERNMENT TRASH QUEEN ON A THRONE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i desperately wish to hear a serious BM/Delta Blues synthesis. yes i does.
― all you need is love vs. money (that's what i want) (Ioannis), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link
deth
― The Perfect Weapon 2, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 08:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"I wonder if Abbott and I will be the only ones who vote for avant-garde black metal."
I voted straight Black Metal. A lot of what I like could be wedged into some sort of avant-garde BM category, but I just don't think it's meaningful at all. As far as I can see, BM has always included loads of "avant-garde" experimentation, it's not something that started at some arbitrary point five years ago or whatever. It's right there at the centre of the genre, and always has been.
I get a lot less out of what I hear from sworn exponents of Death Metal, but there's no question that the same arguments against a separate avant-garde category would apply.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Still, AFAICT there is a difference between Spektr and, I dunno, Emperor or something. I just meant that I don't know the genre as a whole really well but do enjoy and listen to what gets classified as 'avant-garde'. Like, I enjoy Mort more than I enjoy the more traditional BAN tracks that I've heard. I wonder if some of the bands I mentioned might possibly be better classified as "post-rock BM" or "psych/prog BM".
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"there is a difference between Spektr and, I dunno, Emperor or something" - Yes, but probably no more more than the difference between Emperor and Mayhem, and a certainly a lot less than between Emperor and Abruptum - and I'm not slagging off Emperor BTW. There is truly wild stuff to be found from all eras of BM, trust me.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm still not clear on what's being classified as avant-garde.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Stuff hipsters like.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
What about stuff weird avant-garde people like?
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
That's death metal.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Take a handful of bad acid, stick an Abruptum CD on repeat, and call me from jail.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
So if I like Deathspell Omega, Absu, and Lair of the Minotaur, am I a weird avant-garde person, a hipster or what? You're kinda giving me an identity crisis here, Alex.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
(If we have hipsters in Windsor, I'm pretty sure I'm not one of them.) xpost
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, your points are well-take though, Soukesian. I'll listen to Abruptum.
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
xxpost it depends on which one you like the most obviously.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
If I said I liked Deathspell Omega most, what then?
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
if you can imagine a kid in a carpathian forest t-shirt hearing about it before it's discussed at a mogwai show, it is not avant-garde.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think I've ever heard carpathian forest or mogwai.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
only one of those is a mistake.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxp then you are goth
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
what a relief!
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
if you can imagine a kid in a minor forest t-shirt hearing about it before it's discussed at a death angel show, it is avant-garde.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Haha, Abruptum was an avant-garde black metal and dark ambient band from Sweden
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.heavymetalonline.co.uk/acatalog/GS130.gif
^^^ not avant-garde.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
"dark ambient" doesn't really appeal to me ... it reminds me of hippies.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
On Deathlike Silence, not on MTV any time soon . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yv_l6aDmRc
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
"Abruptum was an avant-garde black metal and dark ambient band from Sweden"
If they'd been from Norway they would have been straight Black Metal. It's the Swedish thing that avant-garde's 'em up a bit.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
nice to hear some love for that album. i seem to remember it was mocked for being easy listening on the rolling metal thread when it came out, but i've always loved it - even if it isn't very heavy.
multi-xpost - i don't understand what would make Deathspell Omega "avant-garde"... they seem like straight, if not discordant, BM with some pretty strong DM (specifically Morbid Angel/Suffocation) influences to me.
― Highly trained BBQ chef (rockapads), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Also the fact that the lead singer was a dwarf.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
he was also the opening to the vortex of all evil, don't forget that part.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
obscuritatem really does make all "avant-garde" metal sound like it's not trying hard enough.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Abruptum released two albums on Euronymous's Deathlike Silence label. You can't get any more canonical second wave than that.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
so without using examples of kids in t-shirts, could someone describe the difference between avant-garde black metal and non-avant-garde black metal?
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
You are too picky goth-girl.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Kids in t-shirts is perfectly reasonable way of explaining genre differences.
There is no difference. I speak as a goth, and therefore not a hipster.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Alex, I understand if you're not up to the challenge.
― new clusterfuck thread will eventually provide me a funny display name (sarahel), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm liking Abruptum but I'm not sure why "avant-garde black metal" is a poor label for this, given some of the other things that are also classified as "black metal".
xposts
― Sundar, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
xp unfortunately t-shirts examples are really the limit of my criticism. Unless you'll accept bumper sticker examples? Or band logos drawn on desks?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
if a fat kid who hates his parents and wouldn't understand the words "post-rock" would carve the band's name into his fleshy white bicep with an xacto knife in a show of allegiance, it's not avant-garde.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
See that's why strongo's a professional and I still has a day job.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link