the term 'boogie' as referring to early 80s post-disco R&B, C or D

xp about 1nce a month. i wasnt posting that as a dj or anything, purely listener perspective

Soul II Soul were way cornier than any of this stuff, regardless. (But yeah, any purist putz who hates "Car Wash" and "Disco Inferno" and KC and Sylvester is living on some idiot planet I never want to visit. If you leave that stuff out of your definition of disco, you might as well stick to folk festivals.)

I mean, there is almost NOTHING cornier than "let's keep our holy organic authentic soul music free from Top 40 additives than most people find fun" bullshit.

And I seriously doubt "corny white disco people" were the Trammps' primary audience, for God's sake.

(And "Instant Reply" by Dan Hartman is one of the great bubble-disco songs of all time, by the way.)

"Miss Broadway" by Belle Epoque = One of history's most remarkable Bo Diddley rips. Jeezh. (Which yeah, is somewhat less corny than fucking smooth jazz.)

this is such a great turning point album. you can smell the 80's coming. school of 79 disco meets turn of the decade electro/r&b. every dj should own a copy.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415WTDRA6NL._AA240_.jpg

(xp: Nothing against folk festivals and smooth jazz, which of course can be wonderful sometimes. Just have no interest in picking them instead of music that happens to have awesome hooks in it.)

"Soul II Soul were way cornier than any of this stuff, regardless"

whats SIIS got to do with boogie?

They're mentioned upthread; do a search.

Every DJ should own "Shake It Up (Do The Boogaloo)" by Rod (last name: Niangandoumou). Surprised nobody's mentioned that here; it's from 1981, right?

i am no dj, but i own the rod 12inch.

The album boogies well, too!

everyone should own "astro boogie" by today tomorrow forever too. from 1979. a disco group that decided late in the game to add p funk to their disco. like the adc band.

Is Captain Sky considered boogie? The albums I have are from 1978 and 1979, so he might be too early.

How about Richard "Dimples" Fields? He was great! But maybe too slow? I have two different albums from 1982.

And hey, what about Ray Parker Jr.? (I bet if he was more obscure, he'd count for sure. Or at least Raydio would.)

"Shake You Down" by Gregory Abbot (1986) is too late, right?

But what about Midnight Star, then? Or "Attack of the Name Game" by Stacy Lattisaw? (Heck, what about Teena Marie, for that matter? She boogied for sure!)

Or what about stuff on the cusp of disco and New Orleans r&b, like say Lee Dorsey's "Night People" or Cheyne's "Call Me Mr. Telephone" or Musique's "Push Push (In The Bush)"? Does that count? (It should.)

Musique is simply Disco. And way to fast to be boogie.

"Soul II Soul were way cornier than any of this stuff, regardless"

whats SIIS got to do with boogie?

I mentioned them, but in the context of their role as DJs on the London club scene in the mid to late '80s (when boogie would certainly have been a part of their repertoire), not for their own music. I thought that distinction was obvious in my post.

I never said they were boogie, actually. (I don't think I ever said anybody was boogie, really, except Foghat.) I just hadn't taken a gratuitous swipe at Soul II Soul in years, so I went for it.

"You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real) Sylvester

you gotta be fucking kidding me

-- deej"

nope. sylvester had many fantastic tracks, that one just isn't one of them. if i never hear that one again, my life will be much better for it.

"You Make Me Feel Mighty Real is genius. Yr crazy.

-- dan selzer"

you can feel free to play it all you want, then.

"I mean, there is almost NOTHING cornier than "let's keep our holy organic authentic soul music free from Top 40 additives than most people find fun" bullshit."

i really dont know what you mean. there is good poppy disco, those records just arent them. for example, Chic is one of the best disco groups ever and they did the pop stuff quite perfectly. it wasnt a joke, but it was shit that people could dig.

"And I seriously doubt "corny white disco people" were the Trammps' primary audience, for God's sake."

i just hate that track, regardless of who likes it.

"(And "Instant Reply" by Dan Hartman is one of the great bubble-disco songs of all time, by the way.)

-- xhuxk"

if you say so.

"Soul II Soul were way cornier than any of this stuff, regardless. (But yeah, any purist putz who hates "Car Wash" and "Disco Inferno" and KC and Sylvester is living on some idiot planet I never want to visit. If you leave that stuff out of your definition of disco, you might as well stick to folk festivals.)

-- xhuxk"

i have literally a couple thousand disco records. basically every one of them is better than those songs. why should i keep them around, because idiots like them? i'll pass.

as for some of the other reccomendations, love the Debbie Jacobs (i have both the 12"s from that one as well as the album) but it is hardly boogie in any way, really. the Rod 12" is exactly the definition of a boring boogie record. there must be 150 better Prelude records, many of which are just as easy to find.

I dunno guys KC & the Sunshine band is pretty awful and cheesy. And not cheesy in the good way (see: Silver Contenvion), just embarassingly cheesy. "Car Wash" and "You Make Me Feel" are pretty unfickwithable though.

"I dunno guys KC & the Sunshine band is pretty awful and cheesy. And not cheesy in the good way (see: Silver Contenvion), just embarassingly cheesy. "Car Wash" and "You Make Me Feel" are pretty unfickwithable though.

-- The Brainwasher"

KC is just some of the worst shit i have ever heard. silver convention too. i dont see how that sylvester and RR joint are any less corny though. there are literally SO MANY better disco songs out there. and to whomever mentioned P&P, i dont care for most of their records either. i tend to think pat adams is crazily overrated. leroy burgess too. they had some things i like, but they too were painfully corny.

some of the most retarded things i have ever read in my entire life appear in this thread.

-- pipecock, Monday, March 17, 2008 6:31 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

well yeah, there are better disco songs out there. that doesn't mean that those two songs aren't enjoyable...

"well yeah, there are better disco songs out there. that doesn't mean that those two songs aren't enjoyable...

-- The Brainwasher"

it's like saying your two favorite hiphop songs of all time are "u can't touch this" and "ice ice baby". those might be enjoyable to some people, but they still suck.

uh.. okay.

Please define corny. How is it more or less corny then Sylvester's many fantastic tracks?

i no longer care.

You should give it another shot. Just one more time, real loud. Maybe you'll finally come around.

Also, please explain why "corny" and "cheesy" are bad things (especially in disco, which was partially great because it was brave enough not to leave stuff that people with sticks up their asses dismissed as "corny" and "cheesy" out.) (I hate to ask what you guys think of Disco Tex & the Sex-O-Lettes and Boney M, but I guess I just did. So go for it.)

I'm perfectly fine with "Car Wash" and "More More More" and think "Mighty Real" is titanically great, but how anyone can stomach "Shake Your Booty" is beyond me. (Which isn't to say KC didn't have a good one in him: "I'm Your Boogie Man.")

KC is just some of the worst shit i have ever heard. silver convention too. i dont see how that sylvester and RR joint are any less corny though. there are literally SO MANY better disco songs out there. and to whomever mentioned P&P, i dont care for most of their records either. i tend to think pat adams is crazily overrated. leroy burgess too. they had some things i like, but they too were painfully corny.

Jesus, maybe you ARE trolling in the wrong genre.

On my pandora station right now: KC And the Sunshine Band, "Keep It Comin' Love." What do you know, sounds as perfect as it always has.

You wacky KC haters really need to get a clue, so:

Chic/KC = Zep/Sab. "Get Down Tonight" is a call to riot in the streets.
-- dave q, Friday, October 22, 2004 1:24 PM

Say Anything About KC & The Sunshine Band

TS: Chic vs. KC and the Sunshine Band

I don't really care much for either of the KC songs on that comp, but I will defend "Keep It Comin' Love" to the death.

the first kc album is fucking great.

i can't imagine anyone not liking the sound of sunshine album.

We can all agree that Diana Ross's "Love Hangover" is better than almost any other disco record ever made, pop or underground, right?

xp "Queen Of Clubs" (from '74) rules. They were an excellent band, and they helped invent disco (first single came out in 1973), when you get down (tonight) to it. (And so did Silver Convention whose first few albums -- especially Madhouse, which is really fucking weird, and Love in a Sleeper -- are great, too. And not in a "so bad they're good" way. They're just great, period.) (If you count George McCrae and Penny McLean, both KC + SC had side projects who made great records, too.)

yeah i really loved kc and the sunshine band until pipecock broke it to me that they were both 'cheesy' and 'corny'

two of the most overused-as-pejorative terms on ilx really

a little cheese and corn doesn't bite

still kinda curious what Display Name was getting at in this thread

rev are you much of a dancer

― deej, Sunday, July 1, 2007 12:11 PM Bookmark

Tangentially speaking, it's interesting how Wild Cherry in "Play That Funky Music" use the term "boogie" to mean white music that is comparatively not funky.

Still don't like KC, but I'd rather like KC than not like P&P.

Wasn't this more of a late 70s thing than an early 80s thing?
I mean stuff like "Yes Sir I Can Boogie" and "Boogie Oogie Oogie" was all made in the 70s.

As for the disco-ish material from the early 80s, I have heard some refer to "80s soul weekender" as typical name to use for compilations etc, but I otherwise haven't quite managed to hear a proper musical genre label on the kind of post-disco, pre-new- jack-swing/Hi-NRG dance music that was popular in the first half of 80s. I mean, like Shalamar, Imagination, D-Train, late period Kool & The Gang, early SOS Band and virtually anything Quincy Jones produced from 1979 until 82-83. What would be the best term to describe that?

I'm sure the answer will seem obvious once I hear it, but who, or what, is "P&P"?

Anyway, I still think "boogie" is a really lazy name for the '80s post-disco r&b stuff. Is that really the best name they could come up with in retrospect, especially when apparently nobody called the music that when it actually existed?

"I know, let's pick a name that nobody will confuse with '40s boogie-woogie, '50s country boogie, '60s Latin boogaloo, '70s boogie rock, and 25 percent of hit '70s disco song titles that have absolutely nothing to do with the music we're talking about." "Okay, how about 'boogie'?? That'll work."

I have sometimes hear it described as "jazz funk", but really, when I hear the term "Jazz funk", I am more likely to think of Herbie Hancock, Weather Report or maybe Level 42, than I am to think of Imagination or Shalamar.

"Yes Sir I Can Boogie" and "Boogie Oogie Oogie"

Neither of these songs are boogie, as the term is being used here.

I'm sure the answer will seem obvious once I hear it, but who, or what, is "P&P"?

http://www.discogs.com/label/P&P+Records

rev are you much of a dancer

― deej, Sunday, July 1, 2007 12:11 PM Bookmark

― numerous circles of frontin (The Reverend), Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but u knew exactly what i was getting at!

xhuxk thats pretty much what i was wondering in starting this thread

oh boogie of course!