Who is most defensible of these goon derided rap artists

Voted JCole

ay!

I've enjoyed most j cole singles I've heard

well, drake obviously

feel like Drake may skew the results, kind of a mistake including him.

should have voted for him tbh

Voted for Drake.

nothing about Drake is defensible

J Cole is a traditionally skilled rapper and a great diary writer. His kind of middlebrow presence and softserve beats really keep him from connecting with the "cool kid" demo, which is a shame

Also Mac Miller was barrrrrffffff when he was ayy solo cup fitted hat 2 da back but his new mixtape is like astro travelin white black elvis or somethin

Drake is a perfectly fine pop star with his moments of genius and rmde

the other seven get the full gas face

voting j cole, he has a few great songs even if he is a clown otherwise

voted for OJ

I don't mind drake, he consistently brings the lols

nothing about Drake is defensible

this

yeah i mean i'm lower on drake than the majority of ilx, but look at the rest of this list

that makonnen song reaaaaaaaaaaaaally sucks

'make the trap say aye' is a bona fide classic and gave us 'stupid fruity crazy swag' so idk what the fuck oj is doing on this list

drake by a country mile

drake is easily my fav artist on this list but i'm gonna vote cole too, pretty reliably good singles artist

i could prob try and defend riff raff but he doesn't deserve it

Seconding the J. Cole appreciation. Born Sinner is a good album: beautiful production; interesting guest features; a couple of killer singles. It's a nice listen all around

j cole is still way too overly serious and both lyrically and production wise and i don't think i'll ever want to listen to one of his albums because of that but born sinner was definitely "good" if you're into that kind of thing

Drake > Riff Raff > OJ Da Juiceman > JCole > Mac Miller > Wale > Travis Scott > Kitty Pryde > Kid Cudi

I used to be #1 Drake hater but I've kind of been softening on him lately tbh. Kid Cudi's last place comes with the caveat that "Day n Night" is a classic, which is more than most of the people on this list will ever come up with, but then there's the rest of his music lol. I have no idea who Makonnen is.

Loving Riff Raff lately

crookers remix of "day n night" is >>> also it invented edm?

ilm h8s juiceman?

random lol

ay!

Voted for Riff Raff. Don't know if I could sit through a full mixtape, but you know, "versace lasagna."

well i know whiney hates him & although he's def a fruity swag artist i wanted the list to have ~balance~

he def also reached caricaturish self parody at one point

i think kid cudi is terrible but putting him below kitty pryde is just cruel

I love all of them except Travy $cött and Cuddy the Kid. Those guys are no fun.

I've read all the reasons why I'm supposed to hate Wale but tbf he's never bugged me that bad.

I've heard Mac Miller is better now like Whiney is saying but idk don't feel like I need to find out.

Wale is such a cypher he's hard to get truly up in arms about

Back in eighth grade, Banana berry wrist
Teacher wanna tell me be realistic
That bitch tryna tell me be realistic?
I pull up 5 years later in a drop top six

No childish gambino?

deej rides for that one CG song.

ooh i forgot childish, he def should have been on here

you should've probably put iggy on as well

didn't know oj da juiceman was especially derided, he's an untalented hypeman but not outright terrible enough to deride surely?

rev is right that kid cudi has made the best song of all of these guys (crookers remix) (lol @ the idea it invented edm). j cole has also made a couple of good singles and probably averages out at boringly tolerable? wale doesn't have enough character to be irritating. mac miller and riff raff have no profile here so i'm happily ignorant. that makonnen single is awful but is he really going to be a thing? drake is obviously the worst of them all. bad rappers can make hot singles (even tyga! even iggy!) but drake is always going to be hobbled by being drake

"3005" is a good radio jam even if it's kinda first verse Big Sean, second verse Chance

big sean is another who should be on this list

his punchlines on it are super cringeworthy

i do like the chorus

yes we can redo the poll i think too many good ones are missing

deej you should've consulted lex

i would've voted big sean, i basically kind of love him now

Medium Sean is another one I've softened on. He's cool as long as he's owning his goofballness.

yeah he can actually be ok in guest verse doses especially

his verse on "all me" is incredible imo and his "mercy" verse eventually moved from funny and dumb in a bad way for me to funny and dumb in a good way

"guap" is also one of my fav rap songs of the decade and "my last" is an underrated & great party/radio jam

he's got the least memorable verse on "clique" but does hook duty so that counts for something

"beware" is also decent and he has provided multiple platforms to nicki minaj so that she can objectify his dick

also he's kinda fine \(o_O)/

he has a meme too so thats good for hid klout score

tru

also a number of classic ad libs

well maybe just one

oh gosh

swerve

so two

Whoa dere

I think I'll throw a vote for Kid Cudi since everyone here is defending him re. Day & Nite and yet noone seems to be voting for him...

okay three

There are people posting itt who haven't read this thread? OJ Da Juiceman Freshman Freestyle POLL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc81wzttDWk

this might be the worst song too short has ever been involved with

lol i read the thread for a min before searching out the video xp

Halcyon days

that has nothing to do w/ what i said though?

― some dude, Monday, January 31, 2011 1:55 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it seemed to me you were questioning why i would review his album? i listened to it & gave it a score based on how good i thought it was? what does that have to do w/ gucci being in jail? he released a solid if unexceptional rap record, he was a buzzed artist & i reviewed it with a cynical eye

― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, January 31, 2011 2:56 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

& i reviewed it with a cynical aye

― Jacka Laroo and Tyler Too (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 2:57 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oj had dope material & a singular aesthetic, he fell off & wasn't a career creative, same as french montana, but i'd take him over half this list

i voted for him

idk who Makonnen is tho

is he anime

like kitty pryde

i literally hadn't heard a single ilx's goon's opinion on Makonnen, positive or negative, on the board or off, before this thread. odd inclusion.

o shit hes the club going up on a tuesday guy im switching my vote to him

that song owns

I decree that whoever voted for Makonnen actually meant Tyga

i reviewed it with a cynical eye

― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, January 31, 2011 2:56 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

& i reviewed it with a cynical aye

― Jacka Laroo and Tyler Too (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 2:57 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dyinggggggggg

I decree that whoever voted for Makonnen actually meant Tyga

― 龜, Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:02 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is very messed up

Sorry man you voted for tyga

ay!

for a guy who is supposedly a music critic you have shockingly few ideas about it

― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, January 31, 2011 3:45 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i save my opinions for when people want them instead of just diharreaing them all over ILX like some people

― Jacka Laroo and Tyler Too (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 3:46 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...like a basketball player

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, January 31, 2011 3:46 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o shit hes the club going up on a tuesday guy im switching my vote to him

― lag∞n, Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that song owns

― lag∞n, Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:56 PM Bookmark

oh shit yes otm didn't realize he was the club going up on a tuesday guy either

i read the whole juiceman thread kudos everyone

Makonnen is yung lean w better beats and less awkward racial politix

Still a 6//10 talent at best, total one trick pony

Tbh if you don't like kitty pryde idk how you can like makonnen, basically the same "trick" but no awkward racial politics, better beats, and no paedo fans

I'm assuming

u can like one but not the other because theyre different people who have different songs

theyre separate entities i guess is the point im trying to make

well yeah those posts were somewhat tongue in cheek for that reason but i do think its a matter of degree

i mean: When I first learned of Makonnen, some of my more DIY rock-inclined friends expressed surprise: he'd been known around Bushwick for a while as part of the zoned-out band Phantom Posse.

going to redo this thread but i'm keeping in makonnen and oj; i hate the former, whiney hates the latter, both are 'hateable' to a segment of goons

i'm also adding:

childish gambino
big sean

anyone else? I know Lex hates Ross but that's not happening. Charles Hamilton? Or is he too negligible to include. Iggy Azalea? I guess I should include her.

Gudda Gudda

feels mean for some reason

iggy sure

gudda is an ilx hall of famer

kid ink?

Too late but he's boring anyway. Tyga maybe but idk, just too blank.

anyway:

Who is most defensible of these goon-derided rap artists MK II—the Final Poll

haha 2 threads really

see i didn't even know Makonnen had hipster cooties, i vaguely figured he was some talentless teen who caught a hit by accident Soulja Boy-style

Figure this is the thread to ask

What IS the deal with Hopsin

Moral Orel + Jesse Lee Peterson + ICP = Hopsin