Did Joker's dubstep preceed & create Trap's second wave?

If you look around 2010, Trap's second wave of producers like Lex Luger, looking back the music joker was putting out 2007 and 08, it wasn't in America at this time..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8Ykeaf1No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy5TdGObob4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcy9gwT8mjI

until just last week i'd forgotten joker existed.

I used to have him on repeat pretty much 24/7 when he was putting this stuff out. Then he did that awful, delayed album and lost interest.

Listening to it when it came out it sounded cutting edge, fresh, mxing early 00s hip hop with dubstep like no one else was doing. Doesn't sound so fresh now though, just pretty good, because bitty, distorted, putrified zapp sounds he was using (that NO ONE else was then) are literally every where now.

Hard in the Paint (2010) beat by Lex Luger to me sounds like it could've been done by Joker in 2007/8. Similarities are too close for this not to be a direct influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkkC9cK8Hz0

surely it's the other way round though or a combination of streams - i doubt joker's work was really influencing trap and hip hop, rather feeding off the same influences?

This is almost like a parody of bullshit reasoning.

surely it's the other way round though or a combination of streams - i doubt joker's work was really influencing trap and hip hop, rather feeding off the same influences?

― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Friday, September 19, 2014 11:42 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Other way round? 2010 came after 2007 iirc.

I mean I'm not even the person to ask but I would have thought Lex Luger was more obviously influenced by, like, DJ Toomp and Drumma Boy.

T.I. - What You Know (DJ Toomp, 2006):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAVKMFnPPcA

Young Jeezy - I Put On (Drumma Boy, 2008):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9w66-1yl8o

Gucci Mane - My Shadow (Drumma Boy, 2009):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyP3YnlPvJU

All of the above are much more like Lex Luger's later big hits than anything Joker did.

Apart from the drums

wow missed this thread lmao

really excellent shit

would love to believe this, but nah. shame joker never did production for US rappers though. he should have worked with danny brown (they did do that interview together after all)

Aww man, until this thread I'd forgotten that titchyschneider ever existed. Happy times.

Similarities are too close for this not to be a direct influence.

I think racoon kabuki has enough evidence right here for a clickhole thinkpiece.

Best thread.

Interested to read more RT trap theory.

this is very much a trap theory
(i do like joker tho)

hilarious confirmation bias
those early joker singles like purple city are sweet though
still havent thought about playing the album

lots of corny friends getting into "trap music"

what is the s&d scoop on this "genre"? is any of it worth seeking out?

If you mean instrumental trap from erstwhile dance producers, then not really.

Some of it is okay but you won't suffer from continuing to ignore it.

I had forgotten to factor this thread into RT sock puppet theories.

a friend from chicago told he was into "trace hop" and i don't believe he was trolling

told me

lol "trance hop" not "trace hop"

a friend from chicago told he was into "trace hop" and i don't believe he was trolling

with some people one suspects their entire life is basically a troll

Some trolls just wanna see the world troll.

This stuff only really works on a dancefloor when it's dropped into other sets for brief shock-and-awe value, the idea of listening to an entire trap set is a grim one.

(And yeah I mean the dorky British guys here)

Quotation marks mandatory when talking about that kind of "trap"

it's basically just slowed-down edm with "trap snares", right?

For the most part, though as with dubstep some producers try to resist EDM's gravitational pull.

This stuff only really works on a dancefloor when it's dropped into other sets for brief shock-and-awe value, the idea of listening to an entire trap set is a grim one.

(And yeah I mean the dorky British guys here)

This is p much how I use it. (cf Lex's assertions when you were foolishly hating on "Wut" that it's main value was disrupting a groove rather than continuing it) but I roll my eyes so hard when a DJ plays a whole set of this stuff.

i really like the mainframe. jokers time might have passed (the RA review of this was really sniffy) and the songs with singers are pretty shit but i still love his sound.

in fact, unless youre the type of person who mistakenly wrote off the last rustie album, id say this is actually one of the best grime/dubstep producer albums. and its 10 times better than the mr mitch album.

what is the best track, is there something that sounds like purple city

i dont really want to download a whole flac of this but perhaps one track keeping the flame alive for 08 would be nice

delete all the songs with vocalists. keep the rest. but if you want just one, and its actually hard to pick a single stand out, it works well as an album (though maybe its just that there isnt an obvious stand out), id go with 'mixed emotions'.

Joker released an instrumental version of The Vision album, it's on Spotify and it's far better than the actual album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-6eW1kwYXY

And I stick by my original thoughts on this, he did anticipate trap's second wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c0I0VsncII

does a tanooki like guido i wonder