TS: Billy Corgan vs. Stephen Malkmus

lmao

another signature Corgan song - distills a lot of his essence in three minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkgML3AJZ28

I fear that I am ordinary, just like everyone
To lie here and die among the sorrows
Adrift among the days
For everything I ever said
And everything I've ever done is gone and dead
As all things must surely have to end
And great loves will one day have to part
I know that I am meant for this world

My life has been extraordinary
Blessed and cursed and won
Time heals but I'm forever broken
By and by the way...
Have you ever heard the words
I'm singing in these songs?
It's for the girl I've loved all along
Can a taste of love be so wrong?
As all things must surely have to end
And great loves will one day have to part
I know that I am meant for this world

And in my mind as I was floating
Far above the clouds
Some children laughed I'd fall for certain
For thinking that I'd live
Forever

But I knew exactly where I was
And I knew the meaning of it all
And I knew the distance to the sun
And I knew the echo that is love
And I knew the secrets in your spires
And I knew the emptiness of youth
And I knew the solitude of hearts
And I knew the murmurs of the soul

And the world is drawn into your hands
And the world is etched upon your heart
And the world so hard to understand
Is the world your can't live without

And I knew the silence of the world

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c-5LXYRj87U/UzERyao4xgI/AAAAAAAAA5w/g-hygRVTdq0/s1600/malk2.gif

xxxp oh yes!! thanks!!

Malkmus shrug at high school poetry class nonsense = otm

Muzzle remains one of the best songs he's ever written imho.

he's making fun of his nonsense in that song, while having this weight- the feeling is close to "well, everything's gonna be alright in the end, ashes to ashes, dust to dust"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ

he's making fun of his nonsense in that song

so he's shit at making jokes too then eh

You can't really scream to Pavement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev0rTCGQ8pY

lol there are a bunch of Pavement songs with screaming in them

Unfair, Conduit for Sale etc.

yeah but it's ironic falsetto screaming, not the core/heart scream

the bunnymen scream

What the hell are you talking about. Nothing more core/heart scream than I'M TRYIN' I'M TRYIN' I'M TRYIN

While my kids pull off that nasal "I-really-mean-it-so-I'm-gonna-repeat-the-line-like-NAAAAAAAAA" thing Corgan does much better.

I like Pavement a fair amount, but not so much those moments. His comical high screech.

Anyway, my point was more that there's something earnest and emotional in Smashing Pumpkins that I don't get from Pavement and this is where my sympathies these days tend to lie.

(Alternate post: Malkmus couldn't really scream to Pavement either.)

There's a song on his solo debut where he does a crazy high scream.

oh man that Lockdown promo is something else

my point was more that there's something earnest and emotional in Smashing Pumpkins that I don't get from Pavement

I'm not trying to dogpile on you all or be obtuse about this, but I feel like this argument is going toward "Greeting cards that say 'I love you, I miss you, I am alone' are more earnest than Raymond Carver stories which never even say those things."

greeting cards written by free association

haha pplains otm

what we talk about when we talk about smashing pumpkins lyrics

I cry whenever I see Brazilian nuts

http://i.imgur.com/wmsOirK.jpg

"happy birthday, mom"

(lol pplains)

lol

i wonder if any of y'all would fuck with Adore

http://bit.ly/1vlpJ6e

corgan = america's only credible answer to shoegaze?

voted malkmus anyway because pavement

Adore is fantastic, and the closest Corgan has ever come to making music that sounds like it was written by a fully-formed human. (I say this as a pretty massive SP fan.)

"What's amazing about James and D'arcy," he notes with bona fide pride, "is that they almost never question what I want to do."

adore era interview by david fricke: http://www.starla.org/articles/ado.htm

Whoa at that Lockdown Wrestling promo. I wish I hadn't seen that, couldn't stop cringing. That settles it, then, my vote goes to Malkmus.

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

Btw, I just bumped into this. What the fuck Billy?

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http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6872872/billy-corgans-wrestling-ad-for-chicago-furniture-store

Here's the youtube embed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESMCx0KNVkw

hes just having a bit of a laugh

That one is actually not that bad, but the cage one is a bad idea wherever you look at it. It butchers the song, he looks and sounds like a tool and it's a bad ad. I don't see which audience would look at it and go: that's awesome dude!

the core audience, the heart audience

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.

last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.

Billy Corgan > Beck > Milkymoose

TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

Ray Rogers: You've said that [your last album] Siamese Dream was born out of a lot of personal and band-related crises. What was the impetus for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness?

Billy Corgan:It was basically a big "fuck-off" to anyone who has doubted us as a band. In a positive way, I wanted to really embrace the notions of creativity, to just go as far out as we wanted to go and not get too hung up about the commercial aspects.

RR:What kinds of doubts are you talking about?

BC: Doubts about the band actually coming together to make a record. I wanted to squash all that like a bug.

James Iha: It's a double record-that just doesn't happen if people aren't together on every level.

RR:Billy, you got a lot a lot of criticism last time around for playing some of the guitar and bass parts [on Siamese Dream]. How did you react to that with this record?

BC: We worked out systems by which those things wouldn't happen this time. Nobody understands the scenario: We were under different pressures, different economic constraints. Not everybody moves as quickly as I do. James comes up with great ideas; it just takes him twice as long as it takes me. So I try not to penalize anybody for the speed at which they move.

JI: It doesn't really take me twice as long.

BC:It's a general comment.

DH: Well, yeah.

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.

last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.

― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:08 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh man, that new Pumpkins single. As a song it's whatever, but the production is so late-model CVS Bangers. It's on some Edwin McCain shit.

malkmus = boring uncle good at crossword
corgan = crazy cat lady

struck by a surface thought that it seems so incongruous pavement came out of suburban california, how do teenagers get into the fall or the replacements or w/e in stockton in the late 80s? record stores? hippie burnouts like gary young?