TS: Billy Corgan vs. Stephen Malkmus

Unfair, Conduit for Sale etc.

yeah but it's ironic falsetto screaming, not the core/heart scream

the bunnymen scream

What the hell are you talking about. Nothing more core/heart scream than I'M TRYIN' I'M TRYIN' I'M TRYIN

While my kids pull off that nasal "I-really-mean-it-so-I'm-gonna-repeat-the-line-like-NAAAAAAAAA" thing Corgan does much better.

I like Pavement a fair amount, but not so much those moments. His comical high screech.

Anyway, my point was more that there's something earnest and emotional in Smashing Pumpkins that I don't get from Pavement and this is where my sympathies these days tend to lie.

(Alternate post: Malkmus couldn't really scream to Pavement either.)

There's a song on his solo debut where he does a crazy high scream.

oh man that Lockdown promo is something else

my point was more that there's something earnest and emotional in Smashing Pumpkins that I don't get from Pavement

I'm not trying to dogpile on you all or be obtuse about this, but I feel like this argument is going toward "Greeting cards that say 'I love you, I miss you, I am alone' are more earnest than Raymond Carver stories which never even say those things."

greeting cards written by free association

haha pplains otm

what we talk about when we talk about smashing pumpkins lyrics

I cry whenever I see Brazilian nuts

http://i.imgur.com/wmsOirK.jpg

"happy birthday, mom"

(lol pplains)

lol

i wonder if any of y'all would fuck with Adore

http://bit.ly/1vlpJ6e

corgan = america's only credible answer to shoegaze?

voted malkmus anyway because pavement

Adore is fantastic, and the closest Corgan has ever come to making music that sounds like it was written by a fully-formed human. (I say this as a pretty massive SP fan.)

"What's amazing about James and D'arcy," he notes with bona fide pride, "is that they almost never question what I want to do."

adore era interview by david fricke: http://www.starla.org/articles/ado.htm

Whoa at that Lockdown Wrestling promo. I wish I hadn't seen that, couldn't stop cringing. That settles it, then, my vote goes to Malkmus.

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

Btw, I just bumped into this. What the fuck Billy?

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http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6872872/billy-corgans-wrestling-ad-for-chicago-furniture-store

Here's the youtube embed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESMCx0KNVkw

hes just having a bit of a laugh

That one is actually not that bad, but the cage one is a bad idea wherever you look at it. It butchers the song, he looks and sounds like a tool and it's a bad ad. I don't see which audience would look at it and go: that's awesome dude!

the core audience, the heart audience

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.

last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.

Billy Corgan > Beck > Milkymoose

TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

Ray Rogers: You've said that [your last album] Siamese Dream was born out of a lot of personal and band-related crises. What was the impetus for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness?

Billy Corgan:It was basically a big "fuck-off" to anyone who has doubted us as a band. In a positive way, I wanted to really embrace the notions of creativity, to just go as far out as we wanted to go and not get too hung up about the commercial aspects.

RR:What kinds of doubts are you talking about?

BC: Doubts about the band actually coming together to make a record. I wanted to squash all that like a bug.

James Iha: It's a double record-that just doesn't happen if people aren't together on every level.

RR:Billy, you got a lot a lot of criticism last time around for playing some of the guitar and bass parts [on Siamese Dream]. How did you react to that with this record?

BC: We worked out systems by which those things wouldn't happen this time. Nobody understands the scenario: We were under different pressures, different economic constraints. Not everybody moves as quickly as I do. James comes up with great ideas; it just takes him twice as long as it takes me. So I try not to penalize anybody for the speed at which they move.

JI: It doesn't really take me twice as long.

BC:It's a general comment.

DH: Well, yeah.

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.

last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.

― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:08 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh man, that new Pumpkins single. As a song it's whatever, but the production is so late-model CVS Bangers. It's on some Edwin McCain shit.

malkmus = boring uncle good at crossword
corgan = crazy cat lady

struck by a surface thought that it seems so incongruous pavement came out of suburban california, how do teenagers get into the fall or the replacements or w/e in stockton in the late 80s? record stores? hippie burnouts like gary young?

outic probably knows

college

yeah

or did SM & Spiral have a hs band (lakespeed?) doing that sort of stuff?

College radio, NME/MelodyMaker, bay area weirdos

The myth is that Pavement came out of central California. Malkmus only lived there sporadically during summer/holiday breaks from 1983 on (boarding school in Carpenteria before getting expelled, then Charlottesville, VA). He had been living in New York (with future Pavement member Bob Nasty and then-bandmate DC Berman) by the time the first single Slay Tracks was released.

the next Pumpkins record is called Monuments to an Elegy. feel like I am being personally trolled with this title

http://www.netphoria.org/wp-content/gallery/billy-corgan/bc20.jpg

Easy choice, this.

new smashing pumpkins single almost makes me wish i could switch my vote to malkmus

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Voted Corgan. Weirdo freakshow over Portland hipster in a rock band. Also, Zero will never not be amazing to sing along to in a car. As much as I think Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain album is as close to a perfect album as a rock band should hope for, singing "Emptiness is loneliness/ and loneliness is cleanliness/and cleanliness and godliness/ and God is Empty, just like Me" will be a joy that will amuse me well into my 70s.