Sodom, Destruction, early Kreator, Aura Noir, Nifelheim, Bathory
Have been delving into death metal, and its roots (including the earliest days when it had essentially the same roots as black metal), and discovering I love this form of thrash, usually a lot more unruly/raw than the Bay Area thrash style. It all seems to eminate from similar places, as far as Venom, Hell Awaits-era Slayer, though bands like Bathory and Hellhammer are also big influences, and basically play in the style I'm talking about. It seems to be more of a Euro-centric style, and adopts a lot of the hardcore fury and raw production as early black metal.
Anyone else like this stuff more than regular thrash? I'm also listening to a new band Nekromantheon (2/3 of death metal band Obliteration), who do basically an homage to this style. Post-millennial Darkthrone also known to play with this style a bit, though in a much more basic, less technical form. Others?
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
Sigh?
― Broth Viking (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
listening now, and Sigh seem more straight up black metal, from the Emperor school. Black thrash is actually a lot less theatrical/"experimental" than this -- it really is just old school thrash played in a raw style and production, often with "satanic" lyrics like BM features. Honestly, it's almost party music compared to typical black metal, and I guess kind of a niche-genre within BM and thrash. Like a strange, amphibian genre, caught exactly between other established genres, and which some major players in both have a hand in developing.
haha and I'm really good at starting threads.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
Sigh changed style more recently. They def started out as a punky thrash band with dirty vocals and forays into pastiche of other genres. Their more recent albums are more in the circusy BM vein.
― Broth Viking (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
Would Venom count here?
― Broth Viking (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
For sure! But as an influence and inventor, just as they are for regular black metal, and extreme metal in general. To me, the first Bathory record is maybe the first actual example of a black thrash record -- but I guess I could make an argument that it is also the first example of a "black metal" record, regarding style. Early Sodom, Destruction, Kreator -- all of this could be considered black thrash, before thrash as a style was codified, and eventually usurped by death metal. They all loved Venom, and then Bathory, and seemed to be more indebted to satanic imagery and raw execution in their early years. I guess I love the idea of an amorphous genre, and further fascinated that there are new bands who try to recall it.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
love venom, slayer & bathory, so i've got a lot of affection for the bands that took after them. dig the first couple kreator albums, though i think sodom only got better as they moved into straight (unblack) thrash. skeletonwitch do a rather slick contemporary black/thrash fusion, but it's a far cry from the raw & filthy likes of aura noir. not a huge fan of desaster, though they have lots of fans.
if yr okay with the more trashy extremes: abigail were awesome c. intercourse & lust and forever street metal bitch. comically sleazy tho. speaking of which...
SARCOFAGO! sex, drinks & metal.
destroyer 666 put out an awesome string of blackened thrash LPs in the late 90s/early 00s. i'm particularly fond of unchain the wolves, but it's got some overt nsbm leanings, singer kk warslut's apparently a racist dickhole. so yeah.
love absu and vektor, though they're both quite technical & progressive, not really what you're talking about here.
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
lots of stuff in this vein over the last decade or so. half the roster of labels like hell's headbangers & nuclear war now!, seemingly, anyone with "bestial" in the band name.
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
midnight for ex, though as w/ abigail, the punk quotient is way high
This is exactly what I'm looking for ! ! !
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah, trashy, punked-up black/thrash is probably my favorite metal style, though it's easy to o.d. on it
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
I've been rather enjoying Darkthrone's more recent turn into crustpunk I must say.
― Broth Viking (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
oh hell yeah, me too. string from the cult is alive through their latest (though really kicking into high gear w/ f.o.a.d.) is awesome.
though they're both quite strange and varied/progressive, you might dig zemial's nykta and tribulation's the formulas of death from a couple years back, dominique. neither is "black thrash" proper (far from it), but both incorporate elements of those sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pRDDYuIBcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3KISLXgcX8
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Absu
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, both the Zemial and Tribulation getting close to it, though I guess are a little on the too-clean side? Here's one of the bands I heard that prompted me to start the thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfI5a5yK8NA
It's actually pretty straight up thrash, just with that unhinged, and slightly under-produced edge that pushes it into the black thrash territory for me.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
wow, that's great. news to me, so thanks for the heads-up. and yeah, tribulation and zemial are maybe tangential, but like absu and vektor, they help add some variety to the basic template. disco beats @ 4:30 in the tribulation track! others, classic & contemporary:
bulldozerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afhOMxvomd8
toxic holocausthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdJZgkJ9SI
ketzerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tannEi0FYq8
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
biggest in the game right now afaik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMz4v-fOXmY
― The Crucifixion Of Sean Bean (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
yeah goat semen is everywhere these days
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
Tormentor!http://youtu.be/03O20TxoaME
― Devilock, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link
Summon was one of those Moribund Records bands from around the turn of the millennium. I remember always flipping to their ad page first whenever a new Metal Maniacs ish showed up. Buying stuff blindly based on the label however sometimes proved to be dispiriting. Summon wasn't one of those cases though.http://youtu.be/OGAeRZc89ls
― Devilock, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link
Tormentor! Very brutal, and obv Attila making it super classic. Thanks for posting them in the thread! Not familiar w Summon, but listening now.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 23:20 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I'd not expected to like Goatwhore's most recent, Blood for the Master, but there are some wicked riffs in there. Getting farther away from the nastily turbulent stuff in the OP though.http://youtu.be/L_5pJIe96Ro
― Devilock, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:44 (nine years ago) link
Blood for the Master is the penultimate one, unless you were referring to the one that came out last year
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:05 (nine years ago) link
Now that I'm staring it in the face, I do recall that album title but somehow never got around to investigating. So yeah I dig Blood but can't comment on Constricting.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:19 (nine years ago) link
I liked Constricting better
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link
i really dislike goatwhore, though yeah, they fit the remit
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I like this more than regular thrash these days. Vulcano, Dorsal Atlantica, Sarcofago and early Sepultura for oldschool Brazilian. Poison and Minotaur for original German thrash. Sabbat from Japan, also Abigail and Cutthroat. Impiety and Absu for updating the style for the 00s. Loads of Norwegian tongue-in-cheek sideprojects like Desekrator, Aura Noir, Carpathian Forest, Niflheim. Dub Buk doing it Ukrainian style. Black Witchery, Toxic Holocaust, Destroyer 666, Skeletonwitch.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
Might want to check out Diamatregon's "Blasphemy for Satan" album - lots of different metal influences, but there's vicious thrash in its blood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgJ1-Tfrzk4
― rabatment of the rectangle (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
Also a band nobody ever talks about, Sithlord from Australia. Did one album on Barbarian Wrath, basically blatantly influenced by Germanic thrash (Sodom/Kreator/Destruction).
And how about Slaughter's "Strappado"? Maybe more hardcore influence in there than most of these bands.
― rabatment of the rectangle (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
This morning's entry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqFN0EjOfoo
― Dominique, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
Badass.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
Must rep the local boys, Sadistic Ritual:https://youtu.be/GUOM1O7T46g
Seems they've got something new coming out soon, whether EP or LP I have no idea. The track released for it however feels less black thrash and more just thrash, maybe a little death-tinged in places.https://youtu.be/nr3p-4ifaTU
They are ... really slow at putting out material.
― Devilock, Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
Oh and they had this too, much more fieryhttps://borisrecords.bandcamp.com/album/hellish-mercenary-7
― Devilock, Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
Bands with "Sadistic" in the name seem to have that problem... Sadistic Intent has been around for almost 30 years and never put out a full album.
― ^^^ NOT METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link
thanks for those Devilock -- yeah, seems more straight up thrash, tho some of the vocals are blackened. The Mercenary 7" is unhinged in a great way, like the early Kreator and Sodom records (the production on this reminds me most of Sodom's Obsessed by Cruelty). The break around 3:15 is like something off the first Morbid Angel!
― Dominique, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link
Protector - Misanthropy (1987)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-UtqjcSMIk
Almost a death/thrash hybrid, similar to Possessed, or the last band I posted, Merciless. I'm thinking everyone in Germany around this time had rabies.
― Dominique, Friday, 31 July 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
^^^ excellent. Speaking of rabid germans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN8VPZh1e8
― a poetic ODE to FORNICATION (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 31 July 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link
Listening now, definitely has that German sneer, but also some American thrash sound in there. Also, having JUST read an old Quorthon interview this morning where he accuses all bands of ripping off his idea of using intros on records, had to smile when I played this.
― Dominique, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
I'm not convinced Aura Noir is not Darkthrone recording under a pseudonym BUT I dgaf because it rules
About to listen to their cover of "Heaven's On Fire" (by Venom, but I wouldn't mind hearing them cover the KISS song) thirty or forty times in a row see you in hell
― a poetic ODE to FORNICATION (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 08:46 (eight years ago) link
ha, yeah there are definitely similarities (and Fenriz actually appears on their first demo). But I see Aura Noir as being technically better than Darkthrone, and really, there's no Darkthrone record I would call outright "thrash", whereas all of AN's records are black thrash (as opposed to straight out black metal, a la Transylvanian Hunger).
― Dominique, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 14:03 (eight years ago) link
Dodheimsgard - The Crystal Scepterhttp://youtu.be/fdqhRqFafB4
Norwegian black metal/thrash. Hard to believe this is the same band that made 2015's A Umbra Omega
Grotesque - Submit to Deathhttp://youtu.be/damql2nEd5A
Swedish early DM band, but here playing pretty straight up black thrash. Hard to believe this features guys who'd eventually become At the Gates.
― Dominique, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link
In case anyone hasn't heard Inculter, which I admit to not being on top of til recently:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HG5vgt66Y
Supposedly discovered by Isacariah. It rips. Not as black as stuff like Merciless or Aura Noir but still very much a soundtrack for kobold slaying or what have you.
― Devilock, Saturday, 10 October 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
Dunno why I said "supposedly": they're on Isacariah's label.
― Devilock, Saturday, 10 October 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
Oh they were a Fenriz band of the week a couple years ago so yes that does mean I am the last person to hear them.http://www.edgedcircleproductions.com/inculter/
Thrash? Death thrash? Black thrash?
― Devilock, Saturday, 10 October 2015 22:47 (eight years ago) link
yeah, this is awesome -- and surprise surprise, they're Norwegian! The intro almost seems like an homage to the opening of Seven Churches? I would call it straight black thrash not hearing much death in this (actually reminds me most of Nifelheim, tho more ragged, and minus the twin guitar attack)
― Dominique, Saturday, 10 October 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link
Not sure if this fits, and opening could use some edits, but informative presentation of metal-meets-punk in early 80s, with good Slayer quotes, good links too (Discharge remembered by some as crucial influence)http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/crossover-metal-punk-roots
― dow, Sunday, 11 October 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link
I'll never understand why nobody ever fucking talks about Slaughter (CANADA) in articles like that. They were pretty openly influence by punk and played with punk and hardcore bands, in addition to metal bands.
― si monvmentvm reqvires, pvmpkin spice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 11 October 2015 11:31 (eight years ago) link
I think the sentiment in general that punk influenced metal in the 80s fits with black thrash, but no more than it does with thrash as a whole, or black or death metal. But yeah, a lot of these guys listened to punk, and I've def read quotes from Quorthon, Tom G Warrior et al about listening to Discharge and GBH. IMO death metal actually has the more direct link to hardcore, esp via grindcore/Napalm Death/Carcass and bands like Repulsion.
― Dominique, Monday, 12 October 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link
Wow, I am so late to these guys, Sauron, from Michigan:https://youtu.be/sLD8bOqZXr4
They have another album prior to that one.
― Devilock, Sunday, 18 October 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/invictusproductions/sets/occult-burial-hideous-obscure
From Canada, vicious, raw, barely held together, perfect atmosphere. Love the logo and album cover too. Looks like something I would've ordered sound-unheard back before there were music samples online.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 00:45 (seven years ago) link
awesome thank you! btw still jamming Inculter, one of the best new bands in this style
― Dominique, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
Here's a band everyone should post on Facebook and make double sure their friends and relatives do the same:
https://youtu.be/tsEA_E0qTvw
(ps it is awesome black thrash/punk)
― Dominique, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link
Seems like while US thrash was influenced by pure punk & hardcore, outside the states it's more common for bands to get almost all their punk influence second-hand through old metal metal (Venom or Motorhead). So, Sodom, the first Sepultura album, Hellhammer, Bathory, old Kreator, Deathcrush-era Mayhem: there's something "purely" metal about this stuff. Makes you imagine boneclubs and loincloths rather than anything urban.
― punksishippies, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
I've read Quorthon talk a lot about GBH, and Tom Warrior talk about Discharge, but wd agree that bands like Sodom and Kreator seemed to be going straight for Venom or Motorhead overhauls. I'm guessing that Venom themselves were into punk, at least of the Sex Pistols variety.
I know that in Europe, Sweden in particular, they had their own super active hardcore scene, and you really started seeing that influence pop up a little later in early death metal a la Nihilist/Entombed or Grave (early grindcore scenes seemed to influence all of that too)
― Dominique, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
https://bewitcher.bandcamp.com/
This is more in that pre-thrash zone between Welcome to Hell and Kill Em All but since this thread has popped back up I'll stick it here rather than the rolling metal thread. Produced by Joel Grind. Pair with Jack Daniels and kicked over furniture.
― Devilock, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Transilvania (from ... Austria), The Night of Nights, pleasantly ripping and reverberant stuff:https://youtu.be/MeN63kaLvVU
https://i.imgur.com/H19eGmp.jpg
― Devilock, Saturday, 3 March 2018 02:24 (six years ago) link