Best Album in Factmag.com top 40 Post-Metal albums?

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http://www.factmag.com/2015/06/24/40-best-post-metal/

As with the recent indie hip-hop list, the first thing we need to do is define what post-metal even is.

As with most sub-genres of music, by the time people started accepting post-metal as a thing, time was running out for it. Music is often most interesting when you’re left wondering what the hell it is even supposed to be.

If you ask the average underground metal head, they’ll tell you that post-metal is the stuff that sounds like Neurosis or Isis (the latter beating Anthrax into a cocked hat for the title of Band Most Ruined By Unrelated Terrorists, even if the rock group was rather long gone by the time Mosul fell). But then, the best Neurosis albums don’t sound anything like the best offerings from Isis. And where do you draw the line between post-metal and doom, or modern black metal, or even prog?

The truth is post-metal takes in all of these elements without being entirely any one of them. So we’ll be featuring nothing totally proggy, like Ayreon; nor pure doom, like Electric Wizard; nor your modern black metal fellows like Leviathan, Wolves in the Throne Room, or Velvet Cacoon, though their peaks certainly coincided with post-metal. We’re also starting the list in the 90s, so while Gore, early Swans and Godflesh and even Last Exit and Glenn Branca may be deserving, they won’t be on this particular list.

Around the time grime was evolving from garage – in the simplest terms – so too was post-metal emerging from noisecore. Noisecore was the culmination of the fast-and-complex style of thrash and metallic hardcore. Between 1997 and 2000, bands like Botch, Kiss It Goodbye, Dillinger Escape Plan and Coalesce were twisting hardcore and metal into increasingly technical shapes, blurring the brutality with jazz, pop and, well, Gregorian chants. Eventually, the time passed for noisecore, and those young intellectuals decided to slow it down, growing oddly tender at times.

Once the material Relapse and Hydra Head were releasing started getting slower, more bass-heavy and abstract, the name post-metal came about: This is most likely due to the fact that post-rock, by that stage, inhabited a similar area, thanks to the likes of Mogwai, Godspeed You! Black Emperor and Lift To Experience loudening up what was once the domain of Tortoise, Labradford and Ui. No sooner is a movement given a name, than people then have to look back to investigate what may have caused this. As a result, you end up looking at 90s metal-that-isn’t-metal, like Helmet, Rollins Band, Swans or Fugazi.

Some of the aforementioned will be on this list. Some won’t. Some attempts at justification will be made for a band or album’s inclusion. The only guarantee is there will be some very long songs.

Listen to the list’s highlights now on
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg5ScSqSDXsuySunY27jDgNT8QDPd2sOh
http://www.rdio.com/people/FACT/playlists/13764675/The_40_best_post-metal_records_of_all_time/
https://open.spotify.com/user/factmag/playlist/1ZSsCAdT0W9909TsfNBxls

Poll Results

OptionVotes
10. Tool - Ænima 6
6. The Angelic Process - Weighing Souls With Sand 4
9. Boris - Flood 3
11. Jesu - Silver 3
27. Dazzling Killmen - Face of Collapse 3
35. Pelican - Australasia 3
15. Earth - HEX: or Printing in the Infernal Method 2
1. Neurosis - Through Silver In Blood 2
30. Painkiller - Buried Secrets 2
2. Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye 2
18. Godflesh - Pure 1
14. Envy - A Dead Sinking Story 1
12. Isis - Oceanic 1
3. Mare - Mare 1
36. Cult of Luna -The Beyond 1
4. Nadja - Touched 0
13. The Ocean - Precambrian 0
5. Rosetta - The Galilean Satellites 0
7. Old Man Gloom - Christmas 0
16. Neurosis - A Sun That Never Sets 0
17. Akimbo- Jersey Shores 0
8. Cloudkicker - Beacons 0
19. Supercontinent - Vaalbara 0
39. Inter Arma - Sky Burial 0
38. Palms -Palms 0
37. Russian Circles -Empros 0
34. Mindrot -Soul 0
33. A Storm of Light - Forgive Us Our Trespasses 0
32. Isis - Celestial 0
31. SUMAC - The Deal 0
29. 5ive - 5ive 0
28. Neurosis - Souls At Zero 0
26. Bloodlet -The Seraphim Fall 0
25. Rye Wolves - Oceans Of Delicate Rain 0
24. Mouth Of The Architect - Time and Withering 0
23. Gnaw - This Face 0
22. Locrian - The Clearing & The Final Epoch 0
21. Corrections House - Last City Zero 0
20. Minsk - The Crash And The Draw 0
40. Sólstafir - Ótta 0


Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link

List makes absolutely zero sense and is also filled with a lot of crappy albums.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link

worst genre so ill pick Tool - Ænima

Cory Sklar, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:17 (eight years ago) link

I clicked on this thread out of idle curiosity about what "post-metal" would be, and I've only heard one album on this list. But that album, Dazzling Killmen's Face of Collapse, is a masterpiece, so I voted for it.

JRN, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link

List makes zero sense but they've got the right #1

the spieth hole-ease impresseth us (imago), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link

Presuming #29 isn't the album with "Slam Dunk Da Funk" on it.

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:39 (eight years ago) link

Don't know why this list wouldn't make sense, it's a pretty clear distinctive sound/aesthetic/scene. That list does read like a miserable musical wasteland (maybe except Russian Circles and The Angelic Process), but then again I was never on board with this trend to begin with. To me the whole movement was about trying very hard to make nu-metal as a serious artistic statement, without the hooks.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:46 (eight years ago) link

There are a lot of albums on this list that strike me a pretty unrelated to this scene (mostly the better ones).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 June 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link

haha it has nothing whatsoever to do with nu-metal. the complete opposite of it

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 25 June 2015 09:07 (eight years ago) link

hmmm... seems like quite a narrow remit that avoids the more interesting acts that I would describe as 'post-metal'. No Ulver, no SunnO))), no The Body...

cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 25 June 2015 09:18 (eight years ago) link

none of those were post-metal

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 25 June 2015 09:20 (eight years ago) link

Ulver?

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 25 June 2015 09:22 (eight years ago) link

They pick most of the dullest Hydrahead albums, I think

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 25 June 2015 10:53 (eight years ago) link

(Although that Mare album is indeed awesome - but it's only 4 songs, right? Didn't they only ever put out 4 songs?)

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 25 June 2015 10:54 (eight years ago) link

They pick most of the dullest Hydrahead albums, I think

Well, that's the thing about "post-metal": It's mostly dull as fuck. Which is why the good albums on the list above (and there are a bunch) don't qualify. Painkiller? The John Zorn/Bill Laswell/Mick Harris jazz-grindcore trio? Sorry, no. Indeed, the more I look at this list, the less I think the records on it have in common, and the less sense it makes.

I used to have a Hydra Head shirt that said "Thinking Man's Metal" on the back. They were kidding. The people who put this ridiculous list together clearly weren't - they seem to regard metal as something one grows out of and starts making real music.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 25 June 2015 12:11 (eight years ago) link

I've only heard about a third of these but Ænima is my favourite metal album ever, so that.

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 25 June 2015 12:17 (eight years ago) link

The Beyond. Love that album

paolo, Thursday, 25 June 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link

I realise Cult of Luna were let's say heavily inspired by Isis and Neurosis but they were still awesome

paolo, Thursday, 25 June 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link

Somewhere Along The Highway was dreadful tho

paolo, Thursday, 25 June 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link

Lots of generic coat-tail hangers in this list...

Picked Choirs of the Mother Fuckin Eye cos it's still the best. The Mare EP is so great too, it's frustrating that it's the only thing they did.

I also came to the sad conclusion recently that after Times of Grace, Neurosis got really boring and flabby.

To me the whole movement was about trying very hard to make nu-metal as a serious artistic statement, without the hooks.

― Siegbran, Thursday, 25 June 2015 00:46 (18 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What's the opposite of OTM?

This is a horrible list. That said, I'm going to give Pelican's best record some love.

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 25 June 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

Pelican's best material was the s/t ep.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

They've definitely not picked the best Jesu record

rahrah avis (imago), Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link

Pelican are pretty boring.

I can see someone calling Painkiller "post-metal" in that it's self-aware and pastiche-y and somewhat smug like so many of Zorn's projects, but it's a different aesthetic than most of the rest of these bands

sarahell, Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link

the idea that you guys would use a list this shitty as grounds for having any conversation is some real "ILX will never learn, huh" shit

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

considering the threads you start and participate in, Whiney ... you've got a pretty big glass house there, dude

sarahell, Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link

waco caco yayo kayo doodledot

rahrah avis (imago), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:16 (eight years ago) link

whiney's right obv, this list is execrable

rahrah avis (imago), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link

I don't get why Aenima is the de facto Tool album for most people; IMO Undertow and Lateralus are both better

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link

the first one they bought?

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 26 June 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link

haha it has nothing whatsoever to do with nu-metal. the complete opposite of it

Not at all, both are heads of the same dragon. Both offshoots of hardcore, popularized around the same time, seeking to succeed/replace/improve upon 'regular' metal. Both focused on personal angsty lyrics - obviously, nu-metal from the juvenile, hook-driven angle and post-metal from the more artistic/serious angle, but the parallels are striking.

Siegbran, Saturday, 27 June 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link

no way plus nu-metal had nothing to do with hardcore. Korn had never heard any hardcore in their lives.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 27 June 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

Siegbran you argue a good point but I think you're way off the mark. Just because both sub-genres aren't "true" metal doesn't mean they're related, both were very independant of each other. The growth of post-metal came almost directly after nu-metal's heydey, though from personal experience I noticed it mostly because I grew up from Limp Bizkit and all that shit to Isis and Tool pretty rapidly. Though I suppose both types of music can be traced back to a source that doesn't really want the "blame" for what came after (Faith No More=nu-metal/Neurosis=post-metal).

Australasia by Pelican is one of the best instrumetal records ever, by the by. Still great. Better than the EP by far.

Though one of the many curious picks in the list is the Sumac album which is really fine but is just a few months old and can't really be considered the best of anything since it hasn't had a chance to "settle" yet

(am I making sense with any of this? It's friday night so I'm sort of drunk and shouldn't even be typing this crap)

this is a really weird list, no vote

Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Sunday, 28 June 2015 02:09 (eight years ago) link

haha it has nothing whatsoever to do with nu-metal. the complete opposite of it

idk they're both pretty groovy

Picked one album at random because I have a feeling that's how the list was made.

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Sunday, 28 June 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link

While this post-metal thing ran a lot longer than nu-metal, it was pretty simultaneous to me - the #1 on the list is from 1996, a year before the Limp Bizkit debut and the same year as the breakthrough second Korn album.

Anyway, this list isn't so random at all, if you make a chart in RYM from its genres "alternative metal" and "sludge metal" and set the cutoff date at 1996, you pretty much get this list.

Siegbran, Sunday, 28 June 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link

tool was what the serious kids were into when i was listening to disturbed

Mordy, Sunday, 28 June 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link

Oh and nu-metal not a hardcore offshoot? All these bands on the Warped tour circa 97, Korn and Limp Bizkit joint touring with Helmet, dozens of bands dressed like the Misfits, play like a cross between Biohazard, RATM, Sick Of It All and Faith No More...I mean if it looks like a duck...

Siegbran, Sunday, 28 June 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link

"Both offshoots of hardcore, popularized around the same time, seeking to succeed/replace/improve upon 'regular' metal. Both focused on personal angsty lyrics - obviously, nu-metal from the juvenile, hook-driven angle and post-metal from the more artistic/serious angle, but the parallels are striking."

This is the laziest most asinine correlation. Half the bands on this list have squat to do with hardcore and quite a few don't even have lyrics angsty or otherwise. It is true that most (although not all) would be defined as metal outsiders which is true for nu-metal too to a certain extent. If that and the era which they started is your evidence of connection it's a pretty flimsy one.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 June 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link

nu metal wasnt even in the least bit metal anyway,It was alt-rock; at least most of the post-metal bands came from the sludge/doom/black metal scenes.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 29 June 2015 01:52 (eight years ago) link

If you want to think of metalcore as part of nu-metal, I can see how post-metal has some roots in it, but its kind of a stretch imo... Neurosis is the line straddler and also kind of the outlier for this sort of stuff. I think of the term as just a handy label for shoegazey/post-rockish metal that 'happened' around the same time.

Very hard to choose, so I just went what I think of as the progenitor of the full gestalt: Pelican - Australasia

Frobisher, Monday, 29 June 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link

I would also say that Tool is completely unrelated and doesn't belong on the list, but oh well.

Frobisher, Monday, 29 June 2015 02:14 (eight years ago) link

I wish they had just called nu-metal x-rock or something. And post-metal snoozecore.

that's why god destroyed the radio (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 29 June 2015 03:51 (eight years ago) link

they couldnt very well call it rap rock as most of them had no rap in nu-metal.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 29 June 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link

hah X-Rock is great, better than the genre deserves.

Frobisher, Monday, 29 June 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link

haha

chaki (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 00:05 (eight years ago) link

i love the fact that two other ppl voted for Dazzling Killmen and they are tied for 3rd place.

sarahell, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 09:27 (eight years ago) link

I'm not unhappy Aenima won though I'm pretty much over Tool at this point (also Lateralus is way better). Choirs of the Eye and the Mare EP are so far beyond anything else on the list in tems of scope and compositional finesse it's ridiculous. Props to whoever voted for the latter.

meaty, desperate, and honest about the world we live in (ultros ultros-ghali), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link


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