Apple Music vs Spotify

Anyone know when Apple is upping itunes Match to 100,000 songs? Still 25,000 according to this page: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146

article on cnet:

Why I ditched Apple Music for Spotify
http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-music-vs-spotify/

We need glenn macintosh to come on this thread to defend Apple Music.

Yeah. Bring it on, alternate-universe me.

her 'short playlists' complaint is a personal taste issue. if you want longer playlists, download more playlists ffs.

her problem with being introduced to her favourite artists is otm though. it's like the service really wants us to know it's a bit average at curation.

community, eh, it's coming. nobody just erects a community that works on day one. they'll get there. feels like a weak criticism tbh.

Does Apple music have artist curated playlists like Spotify? It's the best thing

Like Chelsea Wolfe will have a playlist "what I've been listening to this month" or something

pretty sure that's what the artist-curated radio shows on Beats 1 are supposed to be - each of those radio shows' tracklistings (like St Vincent's, or Drake's) is in effect its own playlist, with "add" buttons next to each song

apple music is slanted towards apple hardware though? if so, for community purposes (ilm playlists) spotify seems a better choice?

oh for sure! you can't even share playlists with others on apple music afaik

saying "don't worry, the community aspects will come" is pretty weak imo - this ain't rehearsal

by that i mean it's not just a matter of going off and ~doing~ a community. it makes sense to get a feel for how people will use a service before trying to cultivate something like that, especially if you're apple and your previous attempts have been sort of hilarious.

iovine (?) indicated in a recent interview that they're going to build the social-type features over time rather than driving headlong into it.

and tbf if they're going to get one thing right it should be the playing music part

I've gone for Spotify in the end. I'd happily pay a few quid a month for the 'For You' playlists, but everything else is a mess. Another big factor is the ongoing non-appearance of the Android app. Is that any closer to reality?

I'm amazed they're even bothering with an Android app. Surely the whole point is to drive sales of iPhones?

itunes store on android without apple music doesn't make any sense if you're betting that the future of music is streaming.

I'm keeping both for the moment - the extravagance of it!

Don't purchase much recorded music any more- do go to shows and occasionally buy CDs directly from the artist, so I am keeping both as well for now.

lol Luna.

I'm skinto this year so needed to make that break - even a tenner a month is going to BURN. My loyalty is to Spotify, so that's where the cash is going. For now.

Possibly a deal breaker for Apple Music - if you cancel or let your paid membership lapse, then " If you lapse on your membership, you have a limited time before you would lose access to your music." This is unlike spotify where if you stop paying, you still have your playlists etc.

Extortion! Fuck apple music!

Just got a clarification that it's 90 days after cancellation.

"If you stop paying for this storage space, we will throw your stuff out and give the space to someone else" is not extortion

This isn't really about the storage space, this is about building up playlists, saving playlists, sharing playlists etc that all goes away if you don't pay. I think they should maintain the playlists but have the unavailable songs greyed out - would encourage people to resubscribe and they wouldn't lose any work they've put into it.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/10/20/apple_music_has_6_5_million_subscribers_does_that_make_it_a_failure.html

Google is about to announce ad free Youtube "Red" which will include Google Play Music.

'redtube' is already a thing i'm p sure

http://thenextweb.com/google/2015/10/21/heres-why-youtube-red-named-its-product-that/

tl;dr they know about redtube and they're like eh

“As we talked to users and fans in our studies, the term ‘red’ is often associated with YouTube. It has a lot of meaning in terms of love and the red carpet.”

this guy's salary is probably more than my house

so it's not an homage to taylor swift?

lol xp

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/27/apple-music-subscribers-siri-questions

not even "this is what wikipedia says", just "fuck off"

bizarre of Apple to suggest that they 'own' the charts?

you too can buy an app to fix this http://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/20/music-tracker-apple-music-library-monitoring/

that is funny (and sad) but can i just for posterity quote this plz

As an example, Dodson cites a recent change to a studio recording of Billy Joel's "Uptown Girl," which was silently swapped over to a live version on Apple Music. Music Tracker noted the change and Dodson was able to find a replacement studio recording on another album.

http://f.cl.ly/items/3I3R0D1L2A0I3e3E421V/IMG_3934.jpg

ok fuck you i'll go to macy's instead!

http://f.cl.ly/items/3P0c3O1n25321C1H3c36/IMG_3928.jpg

So for $10 a month I get no commercials on Youtube plus virtually the same music library as the other services. That said, google play music is not very much "fun" compared to spotify's social-ness and Apple's curation.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/04/18/songshift-import-spotify-playlists-apple-music/

Works the best of any playlist converter I've tried. So much faster.

jeff, are you having trouble with apple music? still reports of offline music & playlists deleting and favourites vanishing in ios 9.3.1, and i can't get a grip on how many people are affected.

Not much trouble. There have been great improvements with the reliability of offline music and playlists. I haven't had any more issues of songs not downloading or playlists deleting. The matching still sucks though, with live versions of songs replacing album versions sometimes. IDK if that will ever get better. Overall I'm happy. Only thing I miss about spotify is the social/collaboration.

excellent, apart from the icml matching, which apple's going to need to let us override at some point.

i've bitten the bullet and set it all up again, updating here with success/failure.

what's better about it than Spotify?

I can heart music. Spotify took away my stars. That's the number one issue with me. When Spotify did that it completely fucked with the way I listen to music.

I use it because it loads almost instantly on my 2007 iMac, and I like the playlists. Spotify takes a few minutes to fully load up these days.

The recommended playlists are very good, as well.

Oops...the repetition of senility sets in.

what's better about it than Spotify?

the curation aspect is not better imo but different: shorter playlists, more specific recommendations. also apple music doesn't limit what you can save offline, but spotify's limit is ~3,333 songs per device across three devices.

given that they're already collecting metadata about what we like and listen to heaps, i want one of these services to go "based on these songs from the '70s/80s that you like, here's a load of music from the past 12–18 months that's basically the same sort of thing". but i mean explicitly as a labelled service, not just in a black-box discover weekly/"14 tracks inspired by brian eno" kind of way, and not just "you like old duran duran so here's some new duran duran", and not just "well you like tormato so here's some flower kings".

Man, I love the convenience of Apple Music, especially on my phone. "Siri, play this album," and bam, it's playing while I'm driving. But the sound is a bummer... it really sounds flat to me. Not sure if Spotify's sound is any better? But I hate the Spotify interface so much maybe it's worth the tradeoff.