The Doors are a PROGRESSIVE BAND, one of the best ones and they are American

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I made a video about this subject. Americans have never admitted that we ever had a prog band. We did and we still do. We still have people who are extremely creative out there in this country and beyond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP9LUAhdnhA O.k press this link...sorry about this...this video is about The Doors..and about progressive music in the United States. People under-rate our country and we give very little attention to progressive artists or admit to the world that we have is prog or we ignore progressive musicians...why is this? Why can't the world admit that we have a very famous prog band from our country. I have a very good video on this subject.

I would flag your post, but I'll have to wait until I stop laughing first.

Why would you flag my post? The Doors are a prog band. They mix flamenco, jazz, medieval, classical, blues into their music...because they don't sound English doesn't mean that they don't play prog. I studied composition with a man who had a record out on Progressive records. He influenced me. I think that I know what prog is..

Why would you flag my post?

Because this is your first post and you're spamming with a video you made? And it's about The Doors? Those both seems like fine reasons to me.

Why can't I edit the first post was a mistake. I apologize. I really mean well. I love the Doors and I think that they are very creative in their own way. I love their most creative tracks.

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Yes, rather than ....doing it caveman style.

Jim Morrison: Ungentle Giant

The video is more about you than the Doors. VdGG did some great stuff, though.

They have some weird videos of a man who really looks like Jim Morrison in Upstate New York. Ray the keyboardist of the Doors said when he was alive that he thought that Jim could be alive because no one saw the body. These videos of Jim in Schenectady New York look like him but what is really strange is the sound of his voice is exactly like Jim and Jim had a very distinctive voice. I hope he is alive. The mystery is cool though..This man named Broken Star has all these videos of Jim singing, resighting poetry etc...The author of the Shining..Steven King said that he picked Jim Morrison up when he was hitching AFTER he faked his death. This was in Texas. I checked public records. There is a James Douglas Morrison in Schenectady New York and he also lived in Texas.

The video is about everyone in prog..there are many great prog artist...I am only ONE person in a big world...I like to be inclusive of many people I feel upset that some people from Europe think that America has never produced a good band. Someone from the music world in England writes me for two years, trashing the USA, where I live saying that we never had any talented bands in this country. He has a band there. Generally, a lot people look down on American composers etc...people think of us as dumb. That is one reason I made the video.

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the doors are a really bad band. jim morrison was a dumb jock who became a hippy dilettante. all the circus organ is garbage.

I think the doors were better the less they indulged their prog tendencies.

oddesses i got yr back man. don't let these blood, sweat, & tears fans run you off. welcome to ilm, take a look around see which way the wind blow. rip ray. long live jim.

The Doors were great. As has been discussed in about 72 other threads.

Music is not about indulging..it is about creating what sounds pleasing to the ear...when people purposely try too hard to dazzle an audience with virtuoso skills it is not as effective as people who just play what they think sounds creative, pleasing and high level...Prog is not about indulging...they weren't trying to be anything...just playing good music...which is more effective to me than trying to be high level of the sake of it...if you know what I mean...my song Fairy Killer is NOT complex...guitar and organs...and experimental music at the end...if you want to hear some new music.. it is fresh...Prog doesn't have to all over the place in terms of virtuosity...but it can be if it is good like Light My Fire which is more complex...I LOVE LIGHT MY FIRE..! The instrumentation is excellent...vocals beautiful..I think that Fairy Killer is good but not up to their level on that song..but sounds unique...I working hard to get my music up to a higher level...I am not satisfied yet...working a lot on new material..The Doors influence me a lot right now...looking for a guitarist like Robby..know any??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VQnrMJUFp8

to be fair, the only thing holding the doors back from being a truly great band is that they weren't the famous flames and jim morrison wasn't james brown.

best new poster

the doors are the first prog band and the first punk band

have to say sincerely that most new posters don't provide as much food for thought as 'the doors were prog'.

There are other people who want to establish bands like The Doors and Van Der Graaf, but people prefer to live in the past and not to listen to or support NEW people...which is a shame...

like now i'm wondering what a prog stooges would sound like

like now i'm wondering what a prog stooges would sound like

like now i'm wondering what a prog stooges would sound like

JB could've done a killer "L.A. Woman."

yeah i can totally imagine it. i can even imagine a famous flames arrangement vs jb's arrangement.

like now i'm wondering what a prog stooges would sound like
now i wanna be your unicorn

mountains come out of the sky / cuz i'm loose!

Not interested in new fresh material??? Fairy Killer anyone?

you are gonna get banned if you keep this up fyi

let's keep this about the doors please

My whip has a STRICTLY DOORS bumper sticker.

shakey was that addressed to me lol?

Prog stooges possibly a bit like Ash Ra Temple? I'm certainly hearing a version of the stun guitar as played by somebody with technique on some tracks from the 2nd lp.

Doors did certainly seem to be about adding progressive elements as they saw them to rock.Though I think they were thinking more in terms of jazz but there are definite classical lifts in a few places. Albinoni's Adagio for Spanish Caravan, bits of the Soft parade and whatever Ray manzarek was coming up with half the time, though it was definitely channelled through jazz and r'n'b as it went through his fingers,> possibly something similar with kreiger?

BUt I think the openness of psychedelia is better than the more processedness of prog. Innit?

kind of interested in the idea that morrison is alive and well in schenectady... does he work for GE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-XarSH7sWs

Doors never prog.

They certainly had the pretentiousness of prog

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A Squirrel ATE my computer keyboard once. I lived in a house where squirrels were in the attic. They made their way downstairs and ATE my keyboard! My landlady paid for a new one. What happened to your keyboard? Didn't have money for a decent lunch? I am started a band called the " Windows." I can't get the windows opened. They're stuck. That is how I feel. I want to form a group and get help for all my musical ideas..no one feels music that much anymore...they live it the past...

This is already less fun than Raccoon Tanuki.

ctrl-f STYX not found smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrVQFxDCKNo This is the post hippy era...I am still drawing pictures of Buddah with hippy beads? It is all very retro stuff. My other picture in the this video that I drew, looks like a transvestism my friend told me..broad shoulders and women's clothing...do you like ORGANS and retro-vision types of music? I do...We need some headbands, beads,longish hair, minus the heavy drug use...you may argue with that...

I am started a band called the " Windows." I can't get the windows opened. They're stuck.

I can't get the fuckin' Doors open either, or else I'd push you out of 'em.

Suggest bar The Doors.

Watching the Doors movie right now

love that film

"hey is that Arthur Lee? he's cool"

It's maybe the best bad film of all time

I don't even like the Doors but as a big dumb movie about a rock band it is really entertaining in a way that 99% of biopics are not

I love the Doors, but yeah in Oliver Stone they got a director that believed his own bullshit as much as they believed theirs

I never noticed how well Kevin Dillon learned how to play drums, he really sells it

it's the little throwaway details that make it for me - Billy Idol rhapsodizing about "the leather, the beard, the odor of the tribe", the Ed Sullivan show censor's suggestion of "girl, we can't get much better", "let's get some tacos!", Paul Williams and Crispin Glover at the Factory, Kyle MacLachlan's wig... also maybe the only movie in which I enjoy the presence of Meg Ryan

plus the editing and film stock tricks and visual trickery are just reaaallly evocative of psychedelia, Stone employing his tricks well

TRICKS I say!

kilmer's morrison is pretty great

The stuff where the wholesome California Doors go visit evil New York City with the Velvet Underground in the background & Crispin Glover slurping up the scenery as Andy Warhol. "These people are vampires, Jim."

See, if they'd give Oliver Stone the new Star Wars flicks the Death Star could be this dark VU scene and the rebel underground could be California rockers.

Luke Skywalker sings "Break on Through To The Other Side."

doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.

nico as this voluptuous sex kitten was pretty funny too - "morreesun"

i want to hear the 17 minute version of Alabama Song

i agree with this thread title

"remembered" / "a night on the town" on the new DEAR HUNTER nails it and "devil church" on the latest GHOST album even if non-american proceeds with choice church of manzarek organ

NYCNative, you even hate CAPTAIN BEYOND?

No, I like them. There are exceptions. I like Rush and Voivod. Probably a few more with some output I like but a lot I don't (like Yes and Van der Graaf Generator).

But as a rule, not a genre I enjoy.

doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.

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Yo, though I didn't hate it.

Also I'm trying to convince my wife its cool to get blown while doing a vocal

"Honey it was in the Doors movie! Plus I think I saw something in Tape Op about it"

love me two times. love me twice today

break on through
to the bad posts guy

I feel like Da Capo might have a better shot at being the first prog album. There are a LOT of sonic similarities between the furst Doors album and the first side of Da Capo but I have a hard time working out who influenced who in that...

One thing pribably safe to say: a lot of the groundwork for prog was laid in Los Angeles between 1965 and 1969

'Spanish Caravan' is one Doors song that comes to me that kinda seems progressive in a similar way to say the Nice or late 60s rock stretching arrangements and trying different sounds mixed together. Spanish Caravan has that Flamenco inspired acoustic number that fills out the front half of the tune then it breaks down and comes in with the similar melody electric half through the number. There is quite a bit of music packed into 2.59 in that Doors track.

It's based on Albinoni's Adagio so got the classical music thing going on.

Cool, did not know that. Makes sense.

The spoken word/poetry lp an American Prayer has the musicians from the Doors running through a straighter version of the Albinoni tune from what I remember, but I can't remember when it was recorded. If it is just part of the outtakes for Waiting For The Sun or if it was recorded later or even much later since the lp didn't come out until around 1980.

Doors were definitely influenced by Love, not the other way around. Think I read that's why they signed tomelektra -- they wanted to be on Arthur Lee's label.

*to elektra*

And I'm sure I read that Arthur Lee recommended them to Jac Holzman.

The thing here that made me question was that Da Capo was released after the first Doors album...Idk exactly how early that material is, obv 7 & 7 Is was around in 66 and Revelation was (purportedly) early enough to inspire the Stones' Goin Home, so its v possible the band were gigging a lot of the baroque/jazz-leaning songs in LA clubs early enough to influence the Doors' own sound (Morrison famously cited Love as his favorite band)...otoh I dont necessarily think its implausible that Arthur Lee, without denigrating his achievement, maybe tried to cop a little of Manzarek's steez for songs like Stephanie Knows Who and Que Vida?

I know Morrison was very influenced, especially in terms of stage presence & moves, by Van Morrison in Them when they played the whisky

It's not a huge leap from the harpsichord bit at 1:30 here to the main keyboard part of "Light My Fire":
https://youtu.be/XBRyj1ox8gs

Revelation was (purportedly) early enough to inspire the Stones' Goin Home

I thought it was the other way round

Also, "Da Capo" is 1966?

Yeah first album March and Da Capo in November

Oh wow you're right...I thought I read that it was 67. Well, then, yeah definitely I think Da Capo is the first prog record.

This is where I got the 'Revelations > Goin Home' point though:

What were the earliest LONG rock & pop songs on record?

interesting post on inspiration for Goin' Home from the Aftermath thread:

Regarding "Going home" - the idea of the long jam was stolen from Love who were playing what became "Revelations" in 1965 - it was then called "John Lee Hooker" Iirc. Mick saw them do it in LA, the next night Keith came along with Mick and saw them do it, and then used the idea as the template for "Going home". At least that's what I've read in two places - the "Da capo" sleeve notes and the book written by the drummer, or was it the bass player?

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(Whose drummer, though? Love's or the Stones'?)

Unconvinced that Love were the first band ever to play a 'long jam' tbh.

... live, that is

I don't know, the sax solo in "Stephanie Knows Who" is like twenty-eight seconds total of music. The rest of it sounds like garage psych to me and I don't know as that I see much relation to prog in spite of the changing meters. The harpsichord on the chromatic chord progressions does sound similar to the Doors, though.

The funny thing about all this is all these guys were basically fingerprinting on the walls compared to like 10,000 jazz artists at the time

How about this:

It would seem to make some sense to say that American garage psych contained some of the roots of prog to a perhaps lesser extent than British psych but an extent nevertheless. When I say that "Stephanie Knows Who" sounds like garage psych, though, I mean that it sounds more like "Paradox City" by the Bohemian Vendetta than it sounds like "prog" as it's normally known. Take the saxophone out of that solo and it's the Byrds.

I also think elements in the Doors and Love like the sax solo were a move toward pop sophistication in what was, at the time, a traditional sense. Prog is more often futuristic, sometimes pastoral or goofy, but I don't know as that it was ever Sinatra or Johnny Mathis.

(Whose drummer, though? Love's or the Stones'?)

― watermelon nuns from Calgary (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, September 5, 2015 5:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

MIchael Stuart Ware was Love's 2nd drummer, possibly 3rd if Snoopy Pfisterer came between Don Conka and him. He had also drummed for Sons Of Adam.
He wrote the book Behind The Scenes At The Pegasus Carousel which I think I got mailorder which would mean it was around in the early noughties. There's been an updated edition out since, came out last year I think.

Somebody is currently trying to do a physical edition of a day by day book on Love, like Ritchie Unterberger's thing on the Velvets and various other things, I have one on the Kinks and one on the Monkees and missed picking one up on the Byrds.
He has run into trouble over images since Gettys controls them and want to charge a nasty amount for them and he's doing things on very low budget. So has been trying to find images not controlled by them. There has been a request for help on various boards.

Unconvinced that Love were the first band ever to play a 'long jam' tbh.
... live, that is

― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Saturday, September 5, 2015 12:19 PM (9 hours ago)

I've seen it said that the extended modal blues jamming of the Butterfield Blues Band's "East-West" was a big influence on the SF bands for opening up, jamming out and extending material. It definitely has a very Santana lilt even on the LP.

The song East West is epic

I've also heard Buffalo Springfield early shows in SF w Neil & Stills guitar dueling were influential on that scene

The funny thing about all this is all these guys were basically fingerprinting on the walls compared to like 10,000 jazz artists at the time

― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, September 5, 2015 2:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This like a million times. At the time too it was so exciting just that rock lyricists were now dealing with "serious" lyrical themes, albeit in a "fingerpainting on the walls" level compared to, like, actual literature. While everybody has gotten over that move decades ago, and even prog revivalists don't go around defending Richard Palmer-James as a poet, the combination of "lyrical sophistication" and "musical sophistication" are a huge part of what created the whole idea of "progress."

Weirdly, prog is pretty great anyway, but I've never agreed that rock critics who weren't impressed at the time were totally wrong about that, because there was a lot of bogus shit wrapped up that we've forgiven and forgotten over the decades.

deacon jones

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