Have you seen Junior's grades?! ILM Artist Poll #75 - VAN HALEN (Results thread)

what caused michael anthony's excommunication?

He went on tour with Hagar.

Just because a song is split four ways, it does not necessarily mean the splits are an equal 25%

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Van Halen in no way a dinosaur band in 1984. I'll Wait has keyboards, and has an 80s-style chord progression a la Eye of the Tiger or something, but if Survivor had actually been the band behind it, it wouldn't have been half as good. Van Halen had a unique style, which was very much vital back then -- nothing to do w New Wave, everything to do w playing hard rock with hooks that wasn't hair metal, and was loved by old classic rock dinosaurs and young'uns alike.

haha, wish I'd have voted in this, because I'm way more familiar with VH than I thought I was, just by virtue of being around

There's synths on Fair Warning, by which point their first album was, what, three years old or something?

Jump video is about the most restrained DLR video I've seen yet. Probably the first time I saw him in action. VH was a radio band for me prior to that.

― Zachary Taylor, Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Always love how he doesn't lip-sync "Hey you!" and does lip-sync "Who said that?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojNrj-sWfpk

3. UNCHAINED
(Fair Warning; 1981) 636 points | 23 votes | 3 first place votes

panama vs. ain't talkin bout love

a choice that's rotten to the co-ahhh

It's a great track, but nowhere near my favourite on that LP.

Full results after I post #1 and #2, but here's some neat charts nate made...

POINTS BY ALBUM

http://i.imgur.com/ALBcWJ6.png

POINTS BY SINGER

http://i.imgur.com/uuauOGP.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-NshzYK9y0

2. PANAMA
(1984; 1984) 663 points | 23 votes | 4 first place votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olAaTz9fBoM

1. AIN'T TALKIN' 'BOUT LOVE
(Van Halen; 1978) 711 points | 22 votes | 8 first place votes

82. BLACK AND BLUE
(OU812; 1988) 10 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
81. ONE FOOT OUT THE DOOR
(Fair Warning; 1981) 10 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
80. TORA! TORA!
(Women and Children First; 1980) 10 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
79. AS IS
(A Different Kind of Truth; 2012) 11 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
78. BULLETHEAD
(A Different Kind of Truth; 2012) 11 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
77. VOODOO QUEEN (WARNER DEMO)
(; ) 11 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
76. HUMANS BEING
(Twister OST; 1996) 12 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
75. SHE'S THE WOMAN (DEMO)
(; ) 12 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
74. SUNDAY AFTERNOON IN THE PARK
(Fair Warning; 1981) 12 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
73. FOOLS
(Women and Children First; 1980) 13 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
72. MAN ON A MISSION
(For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge; 1991) 13 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
71. YOU AND YOUR BLUES
(A Different Kind of Truth; 2012) 13 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
70. BOTTOMS UP!
(Van Halen II; 1979) 14 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
69. THE FULL BUG
(Diver Down; 1982) 14 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
68. IN 'N' OUT
(For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge; 1991) 15 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
67. SO THIS IS LOVE?
(Fair Warning; 1981) 18 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
66. LOVE WALKS IN
(5150; 1986) 22 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
65. FEELS SO GOOD
(OU812; 1988) 23 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
64. SECRETS
(Diver Down; 1982) 23 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
63. LOSS OF CONTROL
(Women and Children First; 1980) 24 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
62. TOP OF THE WORLD
(For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge; 1991) 26 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
61. HOUSE OF PAIN
(1984; 1984) 28 points | 1 votes | 0 first place votes
60. YOU'RE NO GOOD
(Van Halen II; 1979) 29 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
59. CATHEDRAL
(Diver Down; 1982) 30 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
58. RUNAROUND
(For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge; 1991) 33 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
57. CABO WABO
(OU812; 1988) 36 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
56. HAPPY TRAILS
(Diver Down; 1982) 37 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
55. BEST OF BOTH WORLDS
(5150; 1986) 38 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
54. ME WISE MAGIC
(Best Of – Volume I; 1996) 38 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
53. BIG BAD BILL (IS SWEET WILLIAM NOW)
(Diver Down; 1982) 40 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
52. SPANISH FLY
(Van Halen II; 1979) 40 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
51. RIGHT NOW
(For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge; 1991) 49 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
50. ROMEO DELIGHT
(Women and Children First; 1980) 49 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
49. “5150”
(5150; 1986) 58 points | 2 votes | 0 first place votes
48. HANG 'EM HIGH
(Diver Down; 1982) 58 points | 4 votes | 0 first place votes
47. MINE ALL MINE
(OU812; 1988) 59 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
46. DREAMS
(5150; 1986) 61 points | 4 votes | 0 first place votes
45. DANCING IN THE STREET
(Diver Down; 1982) 63 points | 4 votes | 0 first place votes
44. IN A SIMPLE RHYME
(Women and Children First; 1980) 64 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
43. WHEN IT'S LOVE
(OU812; 1988) 67 points | 3 votes | 1 first place votes
42. GIRL GONE BAD
(1984; 1984) 74 points | 3 votes | 1 first place votes
41. LITTLE DREAMER
(Van Halen; 1978) 75 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes
40. OUTTA LOVE AGAIN
(Van Halen II; 1979) 75 points | 5 votes | 0 first place votes
39. POUNDCAKE
(For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge; 1991) 78 points | 4 votes | 0 first place votes
38. INTRUDER
(Diver Down; 1982) 79 points | 4 votes | 0 first place votes
37. FEEL YOUR LOVE TONIGHT
(Van Halen; 1978) 80 points | 5 votes | 0 first place votes
36. TOP JIMMY
(1984; 1984) 86 points | 5 votes | 0 first place votes
35. TAKE YOUR WHISKEY HOME
(Women and Children First; 1980) 99 points | 5 votes | 0 first place votes
34. WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD TIMES GONE!
(Diver Down; 1982) 99 points | 5 votes | 0 first place votes
33. COULD THIS BE MAGIC?
(Women and Children First; 1980) 102 points | 5 votes | 1 first place votes
32. WOMEN IN LOVE...
(Van Halen II; 1979) 104 points | 6 votes | 0 first place votes
31. PUSH COMES TO SHOVE
(Fair Warning; 1981) 105 points | 6 votes | 0 first place votes
30. ICE CREAM MAN
(Van Halen; 1978) 117 points | 7 votes | 0 first place votes
29. SINNER'S SWING!
(Fair Warning; 1981) 123 points | 7 votes | 0 first place votes
28. LIGHT UP THE SKY
(Van Halen II; 1979) 134 points | 7 votes | 0 first place votes
27. “DIRTY MOVIES”
(Fair Warning; 1981) 141 points | 7 votes | 0 first place votes
26. FINISH WHAT YA STARTED
(OU812; 1988) 142 points | 8 votes | 0 first place votes
25. (OH) PRETTY WOMAN
(Diver Down; 1982) 144 points | 8 votes | 0 first place votes
24. HEAR ABOUT IT LATER
(Fair Warning; 1981) 154 points | 8 votes | 0 first place votes
23. D.O.A.
(Van Halen II; 1979) 162 points | 8 votes | 0 first place votes
22. WHY CAN'T THIS BE LOVE
(5150; 1986) 171 points | 10 votes | 0 first place votes
21. DROP DEAD LEGS
(1984; 1984) 182 points | 9 votes | 0 first place votes
20. ON FIRE
(Van Halen; 1978) 183 points | 8 votes | 0 first place votes
19. SOMEBODY GET ME A DOCTOR
(Van Halen II; 1979) 186 points | 9 votes | 0 first place votes
18. BEAUTIFUL GIRLS
(Van Halen II; 1979) 207 points | 12 votes | 0 first place votes
17. I'M THE ONE
(Van Halen; 1978) 214 points | 9 votes | 0 first place votes
16. LITTLE GUITARS
(Diver Down; 1982) 227 points | 9 votes | 1 first place votes
15. ERUPTION
(Van Halen; 1978) 302 points | 12 votes | 1 first place votes
14. YOU REALLY GOT ME
(Van Halen; 1978) 318 points | 15 votes | 0 first place votes
13. ATOMIC PUNK
(Van Halen; 1978) 329 points | 14 votes | 1 first place votes
12. HOT FOR TEACHER
(1984; 1984) 373 points | 16 votes | 0 first place votes
11. JAMIE'S CRYIN'
(Van Halen; 1978) 373 points | 16 votes | 1 first place votes
10. AND THE CRADLE WILL ROCK...
(Women and Children First; 1980) 377 points | 17 votes | 1 first place votes
9. MEAN STREET
(Fair Warning; 1981) 391 points | 17 votes | 0 first place votes
8. DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY
(Van Halen II; 1979) 404 points | 17 votes | 0 first place votes
7. I'LL WAIT
(1984; 1984) 461 points | 18 votes | 1 first place votes
6. JUMP
(1984; 1984) 485 points | 20 votes | 0 first place votes
5. RUNNIN' WITH THE DEVIL
(Van Halen; 1978) 527 points | 21 votes | 2 first place votes
4. EVERYBODY WANTS SOME!!
(Women and Children First; 1980) 577 points | 23 votes | 0 first place votes
3. UNCHAINED
(Fair Warning; 1981) 636 points | 23 votes | 3 first place votes
2. PANAMA
(1984; 1984) 663 points | 23 votes | 4 first place votes
1. AIN'T TALKIN' 'BOUT LOVE
(Van Halen; 1978) 711 points | 22 votes | 8 first place votes

i was hoping "unchained" would be no. 1 but knew in my heart it'd be "ain't talkin' bout love"

42. GIRL GONE BAD
(1984; 1984) 74 points | 3 votes | 1 first place votes

aw my no. 1 just missed it. this song rocks you guys

41-50 is a treasure trove tbh

only three little dreamers ;_;

Love the pie charts, JF.

Can't argue with that top 5.

Thanks Johnny!

Every track of the debut placed Top 40 except "Little Dreamer" at #41

I predicted Ain't Talkin' Bout Love would win by 20% over 2. That was clearly irrationally exhuberant but its's nice to see it win.

1. I'll Wait
2. Everybody Wants Some!!
3. "Dirty Movies"
4. I'm The One
5. Unchained
6. Could This Be Magic?
7. Little Dreamer
8. Sinner's Swing!
9. Atomic Punk
10. D.O.A.
11. In A Simple Rhyme
12. Top Jimmy
13. Mean Street
14. Drop Dead Legs
15. And The Cradle Will Rock
16. Hot for Teacher
17. Women In Love...
18. Hear About It Later
19. Hang 'Em High
20. Finish What Ya Started
21. Intruder
22. (Oh) Pretty Woman

no #1 votes for Jump!

Wanna thank everyone for voting, and nate woolls for all his behind the scenes wizardry. Also, I want to apologize to Sammy Hagar because he got screwed.

Eruption
Drop Dead Legs
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Everybody Wants Some!!
Panama
I'm the One
Atomic Punk
And the Cradle Will Rock...
Take Your Whiskey Home
(Oh) Pretty Woman
Ice Cream Man
On Fire
You Really Got Me
Runnin' with the Devil
Hot for Teacher
Jump
Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now)
Jamie's Cryin'
Mean Street
Unchained
Could This Be Magic?
Beautiful Girls

...and by "Dinosaur Band" I meant that despite their youth, VH was trafficking in many of the same things--virtuoso musicianship, bottomless decadence & hedonism, huge huge shows--that older groups were into and the new groups (supposedly) weren't. Of course despite VH were skronkyier and noisier than their predecessors and and most of their contemporaries--they did sound right at home on the Over Edge s/t, didn't they?

sometimes I think my overwhelming preference for the DLR era has a lot to do with my overall preference for that era of music in general. i was coming of age during the latter half of the Sammy reign, but outside of indie bs and g-funk I was pretty obsessed with classic rock/ funk/ new wave/ disco/ post-punk

(Thanks Johnny! :-))

1. Girl Gone Bad
2. Light Up the Sky
3. Unchained
4. "5150"
5. Everybody Wants Some!!
6. Little Guitars
7. Push Comes to Shove
8. Drop Dead Legs
9. I’m the One
10. Mine All Mine
11. On Fire
12. Finish What Ya Started
13. Why Can’t This Be Love
14. Me Wise Magic
15. Romeo Delight
16. Sinner’s Swing!
17. Top of the World
18. I’ll Wait
19. You and Your Blues
20. Humans Being
21. As Is
22. Cabo Wabo

TRAX
1. Panama
2. Unchained
3. I'll Wait
4. Hot For Teacher
5. Jamie's Cryin'
6. Poundcake
7. Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
8. Everybody Wants Some!!
9. Jump
10. Runnin' With The Devil
11. Atomic Punk
12. Dance The Night Away
13. Why Can't This Be Love
14. Ice Cream Man
15. Somebody Get Me A Doctor
16. Right Now
17. Finish What Ya Started
18. Beautiful Girls
19. And The Cradle Will Rock
20. Runaround
21. Standin' On Top Of The World
22. Me Wise Magic

SOLOZ
1. Eruption
2. Hot For Teacher
3. Ice Cream Man
4. Poundcake
5. Beat It

ALBUMZ
1. 1984
2. Van Halen
3. Van Halen II
4. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
5. Women And Children First

Great top 2.

Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love is the first VH song I learned on guitar, and it's probably the easiest VH song to learn, probably because there's no tapping and speed picking anywhere in it. I'm sure I drove my parents crazy playing it in my room for hours at a time.

Maybe everyone else already arrived at this conclusion, but "Good Enough," the opening track on 5150, is basically a rewrite of "Panama" because I guess the band wanted to prove they could still do that with a new singer?

Anyway, "Good Enough" is good and should've been a single.

thanks JF!

songs:
Panama
Everybody Wants Some!!
Hot For Teacher
Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love
Somebody Get Me A Doctor
I’m The One
Dance The Night Away
Unchained
Women In Love…
In A Simple Rhyme
Runnin’ With The Devil
You Really Got Me
Eruption
Hear About It Later
D.O.A.
Why Can’t This Be Love
Jump
Finish What Ya Started
Drop Dead Legs
The Best Of Both Worlds
Poundcake
Beautiful Girls

albums:
Van Halen II
1984
Women And Children First
Van Halen
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

1. Runnin’ with the Devil
2. Mean Street
3. Panama
4. I’ll Wait
5. You Really Got Me
6. Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love
7. I’m the One
8. Hot for Teacher
9. Everybody Wants Some!
10. Beautiful Girls
11. Atomic Punk
12. “Dirty Movies”
13. Jamie’s Cryin’
14. And the Cradle Will Rock…
15. Unchained
16. Eruption
17. Jump
18. Dance the Night Away
19. Sinner’s Swing!
20. Dancing in the Street
21. (Oh) Pretty Woman
22. Big Bad Bill (is Sweet William Now)

I didn't vote for solos or albums, but if I had, my top 5 albums would be:

Van Halen
Fair Warning
1984
Van Halen II
Women & Children First

1. Panama
2. Everybody Wants Some!!
3. Unchained
4. Runnin' With the Devil
5. And the Cradle Will Rock
6. Dance the Night Away
7. Eruption
8. Hot for Teacher
9. Take Your Whiskey Home
10. Jump
11. You Really Got Me
12. I'll Wait
13. Mean Street
14. Jamie's Cryin'
15. Light Up the Sky
16. Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
17. Feel Your Love Tonight
18. Bottoms Up!
19. Sinner's Swing
20. Ice Cream Man
21. Hang 'Em High
22. Happy Trails

ALBUMS:
1. Women and Children First
2. Van Halen
3. 1984
4. Fair Warning
5. Van Halen II

New theory after listening to the songs on this thread: if Michaels Anthony had been mixed as loud live as he was in the studio, or if he had any of the amplifier overdrive that he had live in his studio tone, he'd be recognized as a bass genius worldwide. The single p-bass pickup instrument is not well-served by 80s style direct recording.

1. Could This Be Magic
2. Atomic Punk
3. Ain't Talkin' Bout Love
4. Dance The Night Away
5. Unchained
6. Little Guitars
7. Sinner's Swing!
8. Panama
9. D.O.A.
10. Outta Love Again
11. Jump
12. Mean Street
13. Top Jimmy
14. So This Is Love
15. Everybody Wants Some!!
16. I'll Wait
17. Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now)
18. Dancing In The Street
19. Somebody Get Me A Doctor
20. Light Up The Sky
21. I'm The One
22. On Fire

Didn't vote for albums or solos

I was the first place vote for "When It's Love". That's all I'm going to say here.

Tracks

01 Atomic Punk
02 Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
03 On Fire
04 Runnin' With The Devil
05 And The Cradle Will Rock...
06 Everybody Wants Some!!
07 I'm The One
08 Panama
09 Dance The Night Away
10 Jamie's Cryin'
11 Unchained
12 Romeo Delight
13 Sinner's Swing!
14 Beautiful Girls
15 Little Dreamer
16 Mean Street
17 Top Jimmy
18 Women In Love...
19 'Dirty Movies'
20 Feel Your Love Tonight
21 Outta Love Again
22 Loss Of Control

LPs

01 Van Halen
02 Women and Children First
03 Fair Warning
04 Van Halen II
05 1984

50. ROMEO DELIGHT
(Women and Children First; 1980) 49 points | 3 votes | 0 first place votes

Kinda surprised this didn't place higher. Solid.

Michael Anthony's bass style is similar to Dusty Hill and Cliff Williams in keeping it simple and play what is needed like a clock.

01 Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
02 Everybody Wants Some!!
03 I'll Wait
04 Mean Street
05 And the Cradle Will Rock
06 Runnin' with the Devil
07 Eruption/You Really Got Me
08 Intruder/(Oh) Pretty Woman
09 Jump
10 Hot for Teacher
11 Beautiful Girls
12 Panama
13 On Fire
14 D.O.A.
15 Unchained
16 Ice Cream Man
17 Drop Dead Legs
18 Atomic Punk
19 Fools
20 Sunday Afternoon in the Park
21 Cathedral
22 Tora! Tora!

last two were joeks, really

Cathedral's cool. My favorite EVH instrumental that isn't Eruption.

I want to believe that somewhere in Eddie Van Halen's archive of home recordings is him jamming with some analog sequencer sounding like late 70s/early 80s Tangerine Dream. A dude that could play tap lines so repetitive and clean with a delay could sound like a one man Steve Reich. Add in some Berlin style electronic repeating sequences and you probably would have eargasm on your hands. I'd imagine the lure of easy money on the road probably kept him from ever having time, but I would have thought at one time with his L.A. proximity he could have done more movie and tv music if he wanted.

Michael Anthony's bass style is similar to Dusty Hill and Cliff Williams in keeping it simple and play what is needed like a clock.

― earlnash, Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah...i can't imagine Eddie's sound would work as well if the bassist was trying to be as flashy as him, especially in a band with no 2nd guitarist.

i like cathedral fine, i just remember guitar dudes creaming themselves over it

I want to believe that somewhere in Eddie Van Halen's archive of home recordings is him jamming with some analog sequencer

It's the groovetastic combo of gtr/synth/cowbell that led me to vote for their Martha and the Vandellas cover

"Outta Love Again" was my other choice determined largely by groove alone. And my #1, "Could This Be Magic" I wouldn't have ranked so highly without the rain-dependent recording circumstances or Nicolette Larson's contribution or Dave's rhythm guitar contribution. And as for "Big Bad Bill", I can't regard highly enough a hard rock/metal band that allows 2 bandmembers' dad to tootle along on clarinet on a swing-jazz novelty cover.

Thanks for doing the poll, JF!

Anthony makes for a better Bill Berry than Bill Berry, in terms of a somewhat unheralded band member making the difference between a good and GREAT band.

Lot of the time there's no rhythm guitar track at all when Eddie goes off on one, so Anthony covers a lot of ground himself, plus, obviously, the vocals.

I seem to recall in an article about the recording of the first record with Ted Templeton they had to work that out. Originally Templeton was wanting him to cut basic rhythm parts then over dub leads, but he really couldn't take them apart in a way that sounded better. The stripped down setup without much over dubs gives those early studio records a very live feel.

Another unique sonic element in Van Halen's early sound is how Alex Van Halen tuned up his kit. He's kinda known for having his snare pitched really high which makes it pierce through the mix. They also used the toms quite a bit in the arrangements of tunes.

Probably from growing up around their Dad's jazz, they could swing pretty well for a hard rock band and they put it in the act. It gives them a bit of Vaudeville.