Get in the Ring, Man : Use Your Illusions Vs Be Here Now

Inspired by the current GnR and Oasis threads.

I thought it had been done but apparently not, so an obvious one : the two biggest bands of their (short) time, in their (even shorten) imperial phase at the time they recorded these albums, US Vs UK, overlong 90s CD, over production excesses, how many guitar solos and tracks can you cram in a song, punk/diva/cool leadsinger, heroin Vs cocaine, helicopters Vs jumbo jet/tanker/swat... D'ya know what I mean ?

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To me, it's an easy one : I never particularly liked YUI but it has some good songs or at least some fun aspects. BHN is terrible.

Hum. Some mistakes : I should have made this a poll, I guess.
That's what happens when you start a thread after a good dinner with some nice wine...

Oh and obviously "fool", not "cool" lead singer !

I would vote for a fuckin' Lividity album over Oasis

Voting Be Here Now solely to piss everyone off.

use your illusion easily

Guns n' Roses is like 8 million times better of a band than Oasis this is not close

I would pick UYI over Oasis' first two albums.... COMBINED!!

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axl is x100000 times the frontman Liam could ever hope to be

I dunno that whole wear sunglasses and stand there with your hands behind your band and never move thing is pretty electrifying

I even watched a few of the performances where Noel sang cos Liam wouldn't participate and barely noticed the difference. Equally bored.

about the only nice thing I'll say about Oasis is I developed some early guitar playing skill playing some of Noel's leads

are you serious? GNR by a country mile.

I haven't listened to Be Here Now since it came out (and don't plan to) but GNR are the worst, a shitty band made up of shitty people writing shitty songs, loathsome all down the line.

......NOT!

#pwned

oh ya got me

what can I say I have never, not once, enjoyed listening to GNR

I haven't listened to Be Here Now since it came out (and don't plan to) but GNR are the worst, a shitty band made up of shitty people writing shitty songs, loathsome all down the line.

You don't have to like GNR, but this is like that joke about the two guys who come across a hungry tiger in the jungle. You know, the one where the first guy says to the second, "I don't have to outrun the tiger. I just have to outrun you."

Also, "Estranged" is one of the most amazing songs ever.

Oasis = Gary Johnson

man shakes i admire your ability to pick yourself off the mat after i notted you out so hardcore....you oasis blokes got a jolly good set of bollock m8

GNR are a load of codwsallop - cheers mate!

fair dinkum

I like both of these things. I honestly never really understood why BHN was seen as such a massive drop in quality. It's the same thing as the first two: p decent mid-tier rip-off rock with lyrics by someone who doesn't seem to understand English, sung by someone who doesn't seem to understand singing. But good dumb fun nonetheless. UYI came to me at a more formative time in my life so it'll probably win by vote a coke-daubed nose, but there's probably a lot more from that double album that I'd happily excise.

'win my vote by a coke-daubed nose'. Really have to stop daubing my own nose with coke already.

I like some of the earlier tracks of both bands (both their debut albums are pretty good and "supersonic" and "welcome to the jungle" are simply pure great fun).
Clearly by the time both bands released these albums, they were mostly done though.
Still, I listened to UYI recently and there's enough to make a pretty good simple album. Some tracks could even be better than some Appetite stuff.
There might be 2 decent songs on BHN and none that would qualify on a best of, for instance.

It's the same thing as the first two: p decent mid-tier rip-off rock with lyrics by someone who doesn't seem to understand English, sung by someone who doesn't seem to understand singing

eh but it's the same thing but with 10000000000 overdubs on 7-9 minute songs, i.e. it's the same thing... on COCAINE, and thus way less palatable

i think one of the songs where the approach works is "my big mouth" which has so many guitar tracks it sounds like it's going to explode or fall apart for its entire duration

I'm confused are you saying one of these bands was NOT on cocaine?

nm

well uyi is also extremely cocaine but at least they're attempting their thing from different angles

Copious cocaine use is by no means a necessarily damnable musical influence (see: Tusk, Station to Station).

i think it depends on what kind of music to which its being applied, and the quality of imaginations at play. oasis wrote some good songs but had little-to-no imagination beyond their established aesthetic, and so the album where they go macro only magnifies their limitations until they're all distorted and stretched thin

GnR was probably also on a lot of cocaine when they did Appetite tbh, wasn't heroin the problem later in the band?

Oasis's "Get in the Ring" was 'Wibbling Rivalry'

I am going to listen to Use Your Illusion I and II today for the first time.

OK I'm only four songs into UYI I and it already wins. This is fantastic!

They're weirdly underrated. The sheer scope and ambition deserve some props.