― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
If only someone had thought to stick together the two sides of the the 12" version of Faithless as an add on to the recent CD reissue. It would knock even the Miles Davies Oh Patti into a cocked hat.
― jon (jon), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Somebody really, really, really ought to do a Scritti Politti singles compilation to give a home to "Jacques Derrida," "The 'Sweetest Girl,'" "Skank Bloc Bologna," the insane cover of "She's a Woman" with Shabba Ranks being Shabba Ranks all over it, etc.
Green, incidentally, was one of my two or three favorite interviews I've ever done. A very smart, very interesting guy.
― Douglas, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
oh yes, a singles comp with full 12" versions. yes please.
― jon (jon), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lots of records get damned with "Oh it's just [name of predecessor] part 2" and Provision rightly gets called C&P 85 part 2. BUT there are few records that deserved a part 2 more!
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
Fantastic! Toby=the inverse N. Raggett.
Enjoy it Toby, it's a good 'un.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's quite a treat listening to him rocking out. Being Green he's not quite Fred Durst, preferring to rock out in a lovely limpid way which won't frighten the neighbours.
He's one of the few Brit's who've managed to incorporate hip hop without it seeming tokenistic, key being that he's happy to let Mos Def or Lee Majors take the mic while he has a supporting role. Quite smart really as it brings his extraordinary voice even more into relief when it appears on the track.
It's also one of the most sumptuous records of recent years, you can feel the quality of those ever so expensive session players.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 7 November 2002 10:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 7 November 2002 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 7 November 2002 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
i have provision in my hands now...
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 7 November 2002 23:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 November 2002 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Clarke B., Wednesday, 13 November 2002 08:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jon (jon), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 11:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
― goato mountington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link
― goato mountington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:24 (twenty years ago) link
― goato mountington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 09:12 (twenty years ago) link
But "Provision" is still an underrated gem well worth checking out. "Oh Patti" is easily their best ballad.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Larry Tremblay, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9StuttacQoU
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 December 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Shocked this didn't get a 25th anniversary deluxe reissue...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 10 December 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i just reread rip it up and start again and he says of c&p that
...the Scritti sound was so advanced it actually influenced the next wave of mideighties black pop, records such as Janet Jackson's Control.
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
It wouldn't be surprising if Jam and Lewis dug C&P, but there's no obvious reaction to C&P in what they were producing in late '85/'86.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
It's not like their sound got dainty all of the sudden. Even the ballads on Control were more a continuation of what they had done with SOS Band, Cherrelle, etc.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
"advanced" lol
i hear a lot of post C&P stuff in the 80s that sounds a lot like C&P and i'm sure most of it is influenced by the studio tech and musicians around at the time than it is by that album specifically.
― Louis Jaha (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
i guess this is a technology thing maybe? what is c&p doing that hadn't been done before?
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
xp
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Reynolds' line always made me frown too, until I remember how deep Arif Mardin's connections were (he later produced Chaka Khan, with whom Green also collaborated) and the growing affordability of technology.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
The only records from "the next wave of mideighties black pop" that resemble C&P (that I can think of) were produced by people like Full Force, Leon Sylvers, Jam and Lewis, the System, and James Mtume -- all of whom were established prior to C&P. Gartside and Gamson produced Chaka Khan's "Love of a Lifetime," but that was probably facilitated by Arif Mardin.
xpost
Mardin and Chaka were working together as early as '78, when she signed to Warner.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh right!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
not digging at you mister fit and working i just think advanced is an unhelpful word in this kind of context, and the whole (partial) sentence hinges on overloading the importance of one album on contemporary producers who were undoubtedly listening to lots of other stuff at the same time
and I was gonna say Arif Mardin is a key element here, again i don't buy that C&P in itself was the crucial landmark that the narrative's making out.
― Louis Jaha (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
i believe love of a lifetime was completely produced by green and gamson.
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
Destiny boasted 67 producers.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder how influential No Jacket Required was on Control
― Louis Jaha (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of '85/European records that affected black/American records, I'd like to hear Quincy Jones talk about A Secret Wish.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Ska Walker, are you sure that's not the musician count? Good lord.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
C&P 85...I guess
― Cane it for the original white tees (admrl), Thursday, 26 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Provision" sucked, sold it pronto. C&S is so classic, I had "Wood Beez" pop into my head just today.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 27 January 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
I listened to C & P in its entirety back in the day, for about three months...and never listened to again. It was too good.
Still, I'll give Provision a try.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Trucks of my Tears (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Report back afterwards! I rarely take a "this sucks" position but "Provision" was a *colossal* letdown at the time, it made it's compromises and mediocrity that much more painful.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 11 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know, "Oh Patti" and "First Boy in This Town" are really good - though to me they almost seem more of a piece with White Bread, Black Beer than with C&P?
― with hidden noise, Saturday, 11 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
man, Provision has got plenty of great songs. love the singles, love All That We Are, etc. of course it comes up short compared to C&P - what wouldn't?
― jabba hands, Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
"Oh Patti" is devastating.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
"first boy in this town" is a little gem
― kobaïas fünke (clouds), Monday, 24 November 2014 04:41 (nine years ago) link
provision is 100 percent great
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 24 November 2014 05:04 (nine years ago) link
"perfect way" always leaves me breathlessly happy
― i am a horse girl (map), Sunday, 26 April 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
This whole album is a balm
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Sunday, 26 April 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link
yeah it's just the best
― i am a horse girl (map), Monday, 27 April 2020 00:27 (three years ago) link