I know it's not their finest hour (usually a toss-up between BAD MOON RISING, EVOL, SISTER and, of course, DAYDREAM NATION, yeah yeah, I know...) but *OOOOF* is GOO ever pretentious! Are you kidding me? Can you listen to "Tunic (Song for Karen)" without wincing? Kim Gordon should be slapped with a large, frozen sea-bass for that.
Blah!
And you say?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jacob, Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
(those 8-track demos and live versions that appeared on, er, boy I can't remember what EPs around the same time were alright though)
― Aaron W, Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also:
Dirty Boots!
Dirty Boots baybeeee!
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 14 November 2002 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
production = piss poor duddy dud
pettibon cover art = classic
search: goo demos.
― gygax!, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
cover's ace too, although isn't it something to dowith myra hindley or did i dream that ?
― piscesboy, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kephm, Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 14 November 2002 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
If anyone hears it and feels disappointed just be glad you weren't a silly bastard like me and shelled out SIXTEEN FUCKING QUID for Thurston Moore's "Psychic Hearts", possibly the worst album I've ever heard. Any other Youth related project sounds ace to me now as a result.
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 14 November 2002 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kephm, Thursday, 14 November 2002 22:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
sundar- wasn't DN remastered? i never got holf of it. if you have can you tell me what do you think of it. thanks.
again. I love daydream and sister and Goo is beautiful rec but I can't rank 'em really. i have seen SY live so I don't know how diff the songs on DN are.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 November 2002 22:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Vic Funk, Thursday, 14 November 2002 22:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 15 November 2002 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 15 November 2002 00:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I can't haven't been able to get into their last three albums at all and haven't even bothered with the new one, although I would check them out live if they ever decided to play some place in the midwest again, which they haven't forever.
The thing that is such a let down on later Sonic Youth is that their music sounds lethargic and doesn't have the same energy coming up from the drums. For a couple of years Steve Shelley was tapping into some Keith Moon freakbeatery that was awesome, now the drums just don't have that kind of drive.
― earlnash, Friday, 15 November 2002 00:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 15 November 2002 00:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 00:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David Allen, Friday, 15 November 2002 01:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 01:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 15 November 2002 02:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 15 November 2002 07:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 15 November 2002 08:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
kim always has done great vocals. i can't remmeber 'tunic' but she's always been exceptional as a rock n' roll singer.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 10:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
I really like the 'video album' (or whatever they're called) that SY made for 'Goo'.
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 15 November 2002 10:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 10:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 15 November 2002 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 10:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 November 2002 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
With all due respect, Julio, I sincerenly think you're mistaken, or at least when it comes to this track. Dig it out and listen again, then let's discuss. I think it's absolutely vile.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 16 November 2002 10:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
I reread Kim's Spin interview with L.L. Cool J, which inspired the song, and I'm still like, What did he do to deserve this? Their best vid was "Beauty Is in the Eye"...
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 17 November 2002 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 17 November 2002 22:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 17 November 2002 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like chuck's bit on 'kool thing' too. they are now on a major label and they can get chuck D to guest on a track. I never got the 'down with the kids' thing at all nicole.
Its a good rec.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 10:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
What's right with it?
In all seriousness, it's less an example of "singing" and more of a recitation. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that part of it, but Gordon's lifelessly deadpan delivery, coupled with what I consider to be a rather churlishly contrived narrative (ooh, look, I'm eulogizing soft-rock demi-goddess Karen Carpenter in a relatively shallow way...am I being ironic? You decide!) renders the whole thing embarassing and unlistenable.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 13:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 November 2002 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
when I listen to music I listen to sound. I find it very hard to concentrate on the lyrics (so I didn't know what it was abt).
''again. I love daydream and sister and Goo is beautiful rec but I can't rank 'em really. i have seen SY live so I don't know how diff the songs on DN are.''
that should be ''haven't'' seen SY live.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
Can you walk and chew gum at the same time, Julio?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 15:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 15:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
it's not ironic, i don't think: KC wz a good singer and hers wz a sad story
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Inarguably, but I don't feel said story was presented in a necessarily sincere manner in "Tunic." I'm not suggesting that Kim Gordon was intentioally MOCKING Karen Carpenter, but to address this issue so blithely ("you look so underfed") and then augment the story with the most tired cliché in the book (that Karen Carpenter is in heaven and has made friends with fellow dead rock stars and formed a band) is beyond trite. That I find it irritatingly distasteful has less to do with any reverance for the Carpenters and more to do with my disgust at Sonic Youth's pretentiousness.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Seconded...no such repetition in my booklet. Just irritation.
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― eedd, Thursday, 22 September 2005 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Listened to and/or owned a copy?Daydream NationWhitey AlbumGoo (actually listened to this quite a bit in some weird sado-masochistic ritual fashion)DirtyExperimental Jet-Set Trash and No StarSYR1 / SYR3Sonic Nurse
Have sampled songs here and there from other releases but have heard nothing to disprove my theory. Also saw them live a couple of times in the late 80s / early 90s.
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
* Sonic Youth (1982)* Confusion Is Sex, Kill Yr Idols (1983)* Bad Moon Rising, EVOL, Sister, Master-Dik 12", Ciccone Youth (1985-1988)* Daydream Nation, Goo, Dirty (1988-1992)* Experimental Jet Set, Trash, And No Star, Washing Machine, A Thousand Leaves (1994-1998)* NYC Ghosts & Flowers, Murray Street, and Sonic Nurse (2000-2004)
(The SYR series is its own parallel universe, though not completely unconnected. I left off some other odds and ends here and there like Silver Sessions (for Jason Knuth) for brevity.)
I did this because my appreciation of each "phase" (as I broke it down here) sways up and down in varying degrees. Sometimes, I want to listen to Sonic Nurse.. other times, I just want to here "Inhuman" REALLY fucking loud.
This probably speaks very highly of the band, if my opinion of the albums wavers up and down all around the catalog, all the time. I can't think of too many other bands where I'll revisit and revise my opinion on a band's oeuvre like that.
Currently, I'm re-appreciating the 1994-1998 phase... I don't see this as a sliding scale from the previous one at all! In fact, while it may have been a departure from Dirty, Experimental, etc. is a pretty damn stellar album, better than Dirty by miles -- I say this now of course.
― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― meister, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link
i think goo's a really spotty, flawed album. its got great moments and then really really horrible moments -- which is kind of what's ultimately great about it. from what ive read about the recording process, it seems like they just went hog crazy with the advance form DGC. they set up mics in all corners of the room, the mixes were lousy, they did what they could to salvage it.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I bought the vinyl version of the deluxe edition, largely because Goo was the only SY album I didn't have on vinyl, so I can't say if the CD sounds radically different than the original, but I didn't notice any major changes. The drums on "Dirty Boots" sounded a lot better, but that could also be due to the format. The live version of "The Bedroom", which I did have on vinyl prior to this, sounded better on the Dirty Boots EP, however.
That said, there's an interesting mini-essay by the guy that helped put together the deluxe edition, and all the sonic renovations they made, here: http://www.sonicyouthmedia.com/alt-main/goopop.html
― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I guess I should download those UC Irvine live show Mp3s while I can, if they are improved.
― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 29 September 2005 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 29 September 2005 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Vic Funk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link
It's a testament to the writing on this album that the band, per the deluxe edition, probably could have released the songs in demo form and folks would have been cool with that. And SY likely would have "broken through" just as well.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
This is the only SY album I really like. I've tried and tried with Daydream Nation and can never get further than a few songs in.
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:15 (seven years ago) link
How many others have you tried?
FWIW I think "Washing Machine" is now the correct point of entry for this band.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:36 (seven years ago) link
Goo is a very good album tho.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:37 (seven years ago) link
i could never get into daydream nation either but i had a huge goo phase
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:37 (seven years ago) link
goo my fav
― nxd, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:41 (seven years ago) link
Sister and Sonic Nurse are the correct entry points.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:47 (seven years ago) link
Also good albums
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:49 (seven years ago) link
Goo and Rather Ripped are the two I will listen to front to back. I go in search of particular tracks on all the others.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:53 (seven years ago) link
I've dabbled in SY. I bought Rather Ripped when it came out and remember enjoying it. Every so often I have a rummage around in their back catalogue and try a random album. Often I'm put off by the fuzziness and lack of low-end, although I get the point, but black metal usually fills that frequency for me better than indie-noise. Now I come to think of it, my first intro to the band was Experimental, Jetset... which I got out the library when I was quite young and was confused by. I haven't heard Washing Machine or Sonic Nurse, but I hear they're good.
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:15 (seven years ago) link
It's not my favorite anymore, but honestly EVOL was the entry point for a whole lot of people in the 80s, and I think it's probably a good place to start. My current favorite is NYC Ghosts and Flowers, so not saying anything about quality in hindsight, but the larger world (of music geeks) discovered Sonic Youth via EVOL and the Ciccone Youth single, and it only seems proper to respect that.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
Love Evol, hate that Ciccone Youth thing.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
My sonic youth love has always been dirty. Their punk album. The long tracks always make me think of the 60s and grateful dead etc. That's not what i like (about this band). Yes it was the first abum i ever heard by them. There is this theory about sy that you love the first album you heard the most..
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:25 (seven years ago) link
It was Dirty for me.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:56 (seven years ago) link
Dirty was the first I heard (and it blew me away). I still love a lot of it but I wouldn't rank it as my favourite. It actually struck me as a new kind of psych/prog rock when I first heard it as a teenager!
I've been working through the albums chronologically (obv with other things in between) since I started reading KG's book this week. Just hit play on Goo (90s cassette) now. Love "Dirty Boots" so much.
Something I've been thinking about is the extent to which the often-criticized out-of-tune singing might actually be necessary/appropriate over the intentionally detuned guitars, although I do think that their intonation as vocalists is less controlled/deliberate than their intonation as guitarists.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:22 (seven years ago) link
EVOL is the shit, dl. Creamy genderfucked lunacy. Absolute high point of "indie rock" imo
― sushi and the banh mis (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 3 December 2016 08:03 (seven years ago) link
washing machine was my intro... what can i say it worked
― just sayin, Saturday, 3 December 2016 10:54 (seven years ago) link
Kind of funny how they start to just sound out of tune when you overdose on them for a week.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 December 2016 14:16 (seven years ago) link
Anything SY (discounting the SYR) after 1986 is basically a refinement on EVOL (not an improvement on, imo although YMMV)
BMR points to EVOL but lacks the tunes n noise structure of the latter that would basically set them up for the next 20 years
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
i remember being 13 and confused as to whether i should be impressed or disgusted by what i heard. like, "this is COOL? this sounds kinda bad."
oh to be able to recover that teenaged feeling
― j., Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:31 (six years ago) link
30 years old today, was it ever polled?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 26 June 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
My favorite Sonic Youth album.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 27 June 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link
Just listened to and half-watched the videos from the Corporate Ghost DVD. What stands out rn is that the sound of it is really good: naturalistic but really clear and full, with a satisfying crunch in the guitars. There's almost a lightness in the way the songs zip along tunefully and groovily. I don't entirely disagree with some of the criticisms of the lyrics of "Tunic" upthread.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 June 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
https://www.spin.com/2020/06/dont-give-me-your-soul-the-oral-history-of-sonic-youths-goo/
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2020 09:39 (three years ago) link
First album of theirs that I ever listened to and loved as a 14-year-old crusty hardcore punk kid. Totally changed my life...
but when I listen to it now, there are only a few really good tracks on it...though I will say that it contains Lee's finest moment in the band, afaic, with "Mote."
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 27 June 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
It's the weakest of their mainstream trilogy
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2176/9085/products/Steely_Dan_2048x2048.jpg?v=1569111560
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Saturday, 27 June 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
Listening for the first time in ages, and I think this might be as good as "Daydream Nation." The songs and arrangements are really strong imo and the hooks bigger, and underscoring both it starts with "Dirty Boots." And then goes right into "Tunic (Song for Karen)." And there are so many great twists and turns, like that brief major key(ish) break in "Cinderella's Big Score" or the megaphone-mic in "Mote" or the total shriek-and-noise explosion at the end of "Mildred Pierce" (which may be as abrasive as they get), or "Mary-Christ," which reminds me of "Tony's Theme" by the Pixies ...
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 August 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link
Good and strong on tonight’s listen.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 22 July 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
Seriously, I don’t know why this record hasn’t gotten as much play as others of theirs with me.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 22 July 2022 22:25 (one year ago) link
I think that when they come back in on the main riff sped up on "Titanium Expose" is a really exciting. I love that part.
― earlnash, Saturday, 23 July 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link
I bought this CD when it came out. I doubt I listened to it a half dozen times.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 23 July 2022 23:33 (one year ago) link
Something about "Mildred Pierce" is like a perfectly tuned engine to me (and weirdly it's their only song in standard tuning). I think "Disappearer" is my overall favourite, followed closely by "Tunic".
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 24 July 2022 02:01 (one year ago) link