Gavin Bryars' "...Titanic" C/D?

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I just listened to Aphex Twin's remix of this for the first time and I'm now anxious to hear the Bryars original. Is it available? What's the ILM consensus on it?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Without really knowing much of Bryars' work, I enjoyed it very much indeed, both calm and dark at the same time. Feels very much like an endless descent into the depths.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are two versions of this, one released on Philip Glass' Point label in the 90s. A good version, and the most readily available. The original was released on Eno's Obscure label in the 70s with "Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet" on the opposite side. This is by far the superior of the two "Titanic" recordings available. Reissued by Virgin UK in the late 90s. Way out of print again, but worth tracking down.

Luke Buckman, Friday, 24 January 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

don't know it,but i do love jesus' blood never failed me yet,the version with tom waits is exceptional...

robin (robin), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Absolutely classic. I listen the Point Music reissue of this at least once a month, haven't been able to track down the original/Virgin version. Admittedly, haven't tried that hard...

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

"the version with tom waits is exceptional"

PLEASE PLEASE tell me you are joking.

Paula G., Friday, 24 January 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

not at all
whats not to like?

robin (robin), Friday, 24 January 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oops, just did a little research and found that the version you mentioned probably was the version I heard. Still, the whole set up is f'n preposturous, isn't it...working with (in Bryars' words) "a tape of an old tramp singing a fragment of a religious song" and then bringing in a PROFESSIONAL "old tramp" to sing back up.

But hold on, didn't a hooker give birth to baby Waits on a lonely train car after bedding down with a wise old hobo? I take it all back...

Paula G., Friday, 24 January 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't think there is anything inherently wrong about the idea of a tape of an old tramp singing a fragment of a religious song backed up by tom waits and an orchestra (in fact i downloaded because i liked the idea of it)but when i heard it it was even better than i expected...
cynicism about tom waits "image"/schtick is nothing to do with the track,even if you do accept that musicians should be "authentic" or whatever is implied in the last sentence...

robin (robin), Friday, 24 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear: what I heard, and liked, was probably the same Bryars thing you're talking about, which proves your point Robin: "there is[n't] anything inherently wrong about the idea of a tape of an old tramp singing a fragment of a religious song backed up by tom waits and an orchestra." You're right, you're right, you're right. Obviously I wasn't offended by what I heard. But if I'd known Waits was there, who knows what I would have thought of it. Probably less. I admit it, my dislike for Waits has become a full fledged prejudice.

Still, don't say my dislike for Waits' schtick is cynical. What I find absurd about his image are the same things I hate about his (mature) records. More than any other artist, his music and his image are inseparable. All those creaky theatrics, the romanticizing of tired images, the shallowness pretending to depth, and most of all the lack of a sorely needed sense of humor. He is basically asking to be mocked, hence my last sentence. I could care less about authenticity, Waits' schtick simply bores me.

Paula G., Friday, 24 January 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bryars' 'Sinking of the Titanic': simply classic. The version i have is the one that was on Eno's label, with the original 'Jesus' Blood' as the other epic piece. Poignant, and moving that one is... 'Sinking of the Titanic' is perhaps even better; a wonderfully dank tapestry of sound... fragments of music that were played as the ship went down, semi-unintelligible spoken word parts... it's a great piece.

Tom May (Tom May), Saturday, 25 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...
Also worth seeking out is his cello concerto, A Farewell To Philosophy, a stunningly moody piece of music.

Jonathan Z., Thursday, 13 November 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Better than any of Eno's ambient pieces, I dare say.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 13 November 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

that's a real apples-and-oranges comparison if ever I've seen one.

hstencil, Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
i think the 'sinking of the titanic' and 'incipit vita nova' recordings put rachel's' music to shame. 'the sinking of the titanic' recording is just beautiful. i read somewhere that it was recorded in a metal water tower. the action of the reverberating sounds makes for a magical mesh of the overall room sound.

rssl, Saturday, 31 December 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

rachel's is wallpaper, bryars is "serious music."

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 31 December 2005 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000269VM/202-7110979-0851821

Doesn't look out of print now.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

fantastic...the cover looks like the same processes Virgin did to the original sleeve when the reissued Michael Nyman's Decay Music. Maybe they'll reissue the whole series?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never really forgiven Gavin for allowing Tom Waits to desecrate "Jesus' Blood"

Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

In his Derek B biog, Ben Watson has some very harsh things to say about the Waits version (and by extension, about Waits).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Good old BW!

Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Bailey is also quoted as saying: "I've had more drinks bought for me on the strength of that record than anything else I've ever done!"

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

zorn is hosting a derek bailey tribute night at the barbican in june w/ gavin bryars, bill asswell and milford graves (which is of course v. exciting but did bailey and graves ever actually record/play together?)

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and also george lewis and tony oxley, according to the barbican's website

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure Bailey and Graves did at least one gig together, but to my knowledge never recorded together.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Hommages - also by Gavin Bryars, a bit different to this but also fantastic.

admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

True, what admrl said (listening to the LTM reissue of it just now).

I still have yet to hear the version of Titanic that was done a few months back but I gather it was v. good.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 April 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link

The new version of Titanic is fantastic.

What's the consensus on the Aphex Twin remix?

Stewart Osborne, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Is this the new version you're referring to?

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

What's the consensus on the Aphex Twin remix?

I liked it when it came out, but now it doesn't sound like anything special. I think it was just the "wow" factor of "cool, Aphex is working with an actual composer!!"

Looking at it in reverse ... Philip Glass' orchestration on the "Donkey Rhubarb EP" blows away virtually every remix that Aphex ever did.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Is this the new version you're referring to?

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Is LTM reissue's sound actually improved? The old disc had a lot of what sounded like tape damage.

matinee, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link

re: Hommages

matinee, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link

"Is this the new version you're referring to?"

I think it must be, although mine looks like http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41jhV1QmcUL._SL500_AA240_.jpg rather than like http://www.emusic.com/img/album/111/594/11159453_155_155.jpeg

Stewart Osborne, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Do people still rate 'Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet'? Only heard it for the first time the other day. It's very nice, if rather long.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 24 April 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link

And as much as I like Tom Waits, there's no reason for him to be on the revised version.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 24 April 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link

i guess so, and people say that, as though it was 'commercializing' the piece, but I like it.

akm, Thursday, 24 April 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link

Like the original plenty. Dont like the Waits version, kind of turned me off Waits in general also

anvil, Thursday, 24 April 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

this record is so good

nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 06:06 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

I have a ticket for the last performance of A Man in a Room, Gambling tomorrow at cafe oto, but I'm knocked out with this shitty throat infection & won't make it :-( would anyone be interested? It's £18. I like these as much as titanic/jesus and am gutted to miss it.

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link

No takers eh

scrüt (wins), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:37 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

"Titanic" was awesome. Gavin himself played bass on a Fluxus inspired closing piece from the early 70s where the musicians onstage had headphones on so they couldn't hear each other.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:39 (seven months ago) link

Hell yeah

ian, Monday, 2 October 2023 12:20 (seven months ago) link

Just dropping in to say I've finally listened to this (OG and Waits versions) and, yes, it is very good. ;)

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 2 October 2023 19:40 (seven months ago) link

the live performance sounds amazing

the website tone glow has an interview up with bryars, i’ve only read a portion of it so far

sknybrg, Monday, 2 October 2023 19:43 (seven months ago) link


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