Giacinto Scelsi C/D S/D?

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Ok, help me out:

I love Kya, both the piece and the Hat disc. Where to go next?

Also, any composers I might not have heard of that might go into the RIYL: Scelsi category? And why?

charlie va (charlie va), Sunday, 9 February 2003 04:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

New who-the-hell-is-Scelsi answers!

charlie va (charlie va), Sunday, 9 February 2003 04:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I remember one Scelsi track of the Wergo CD comp "Music of our Century" which made me smile. It sounded like a guy hitting a tin can making this glorious noise out of his mouth.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

In fact, that's a great CD overall... other tracks by Meredith Monk, Cage, Ligeti, and I think Xenakis.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 04:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search Complete Works for Clarinet and Joëlle Léandre, etc.'s L'Histoire de Mme Tasco comprising several Scelsi pieces.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 9 February 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

The only thing I have is a disc on Accord: Quattro Illustrazioni, Xnoybis, etc. Tried to listen to it a few times and it failed to make a mark on me. Is it a dull disc or am I not getting it (and if it's the latter, what am I missing?).

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 9 February 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I bought a disc on CPO (my first scelsi last week, with my first Kagel as well). I'll listen to it today and give thoughts if i have any.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I listened to it (chamber works for flute and piano). I like it but I've no idea why.

here's an article on him: http://www.hud.ac.uk/schools/music+humanities/music/newmusic/scelsi.html

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

"both the piece and the Hat disc"

eh?

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm referring to the piece, and to the HatHut disc that shares its name.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=4:43:39|PM&sql=Abgem97qakrkt

charlie va (charlie va), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah i get it i guess, it just sounded like you liked the cd as well as what was on it... :)

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

anyway i agree, kya is great, not so convinced about the other pieces therein

i like that he was fantastically rich

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

also the sunset horizon signature thing

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha. Yeah I like that piece better than the others too, I think because the droniness and fluidity of his music works better when there's something going on in the lower register.

Thanks for the article, Julio. It's great, from a sort of anal-retentive musicologist perspective.

charlie va (charlie va), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

the piano suites (9 & 10) have been good for me for about five years of casual listening; they seem to feel quite different to Kya.

like Julio, i can't explain quite why i like it or what i'd call it (which is a good relationship for me to have with music)

george gosset (gegoss), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

i really like "okanagon" - some pretty startling things going on, including some bizarre guttural vocals over double-bass.

your null fame (yournullfame), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Thanks for the article, Julio. It's great, from a sort of anal-retentive musicologist perspective.''

thought you'd like it charlie. The picture cleared up a bit actually but I'd prob need to learn more jargon.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know audivis montaigne put a CD out. anyone heard it?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...
Some interesting stuff over here

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

neat to see Barrett hanging out there, who knows his Scelsi -- his Wire article. I think I'll register at r3.

the market's been flooded with stringent, severe, overly harsh Scelsi CDs. most of the recordings he personally supervised are long out of print. it's hard to blame some people for being unimpressed.

- Jurg Wyttenbach's 3 CD set of works for orchestra + chorus
- Editions RZ compilation of recordings from Scelsi's archive (still in print @ forced exposure)
- original 1982 recording of Arditti playing the first four Quartets (seems to grab me more than the later re-recordings for Audivis Montaigne)

the works for solo instruments are more demanding, but worth it once you've made the jump -- the piano works & the recording of Canti del Capricorno w/ Michiko Hirayama on Wergo. haven't heard the recordings with Frances-Marie Uitti yet.

j sudol's posted the original Wyttenbach recording of Uaxuctum, not to sound pretentious, but -- don't listen to this piece casually, wait for it. there's a new DVD surround recording of Uaxuctum on Mode I need to hear.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for the link, Julio. Are there other classical music forums out there worth looking at?

toby, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

toby - not really looked at other classical boards, its probably as good as its going to get for that kind of thing. I only got there myself bcz of BBC Radio 3's "Hear and Now" and "Mixing it", its New Music MB ws used to discuss content of the shows as well as anything else (and it basically ws anything else in New Music that got talked about). I wrote a few posts over there, as well as posting a cpl of threads.

r3 ws created a few weeks ago bcz the BBC decided to close that MB down (a fiasco I won't go into).

Milton - don't think I've pulled any Scelsi in the last year (more to do w/listening to other composers than anything else), so that thread has def gotten me to pull them out (listening to the odd bit every day now). Really gd discussion of the issues that (might) circle around his music.

I'd forgotten that there are all these older recordings...

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Scelsi LPs ripped. Don't know if the links work but the LP covers have been scanned for you all to marvel at.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 March 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

you want all of us to become insane

http://www.musicaltimes.co.uk/archive/0102/scelsi.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

blogspots coming up blank for

http://www.discogs.com/Various-New-Music-For-String-Quartet/release/772102

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

And here I thought Scelsi fans wore blue...

repeating cycles of smoking and cruelty (Michael White), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.uitti.org/scelsi.html

It was during these sessions that he first played one of his taped improvisations made on the ondiola. This is a small electronic instrument with a three-octave keyboard. Additional dials and keys were available for producing glissandi, quarter-tones, vibrato and predetermined timbres. There were pedals to control additional octave transpositions as well as dynamics. Most of Scelsi's chamber music and orchestral pieces were created using this instrument.

The ondiola was a tool for far more radical musical thought. One finds a remarkable variety of techniques. Here Scelsi explored the limits of extreme velocity, dynamics, range, and duration. Many improvisations were centred on sudden variations in the dynamic texture, giving a sense of great power and vitality. There were also a number of monodic works, some highly ornamented around a basic melodic line. Others used extreme speeds of oscillating repeated figures, and still others incorporated dramatically pulsating dynamics in the low register. He used glissandi of various speeds as well as quartertones. Two and three equally important voices were simultaneously explored, at times using microtones and at other times glissandi in slow durations.

The ondiola works generally exhibit a unique sense of assymetry. Melodies that seem destined to create a tone centre suddenly break free to move into foreign registers with new harmonic implications, at times in wildly spaced intervals and at extreme speeds. The later works were often centred around an extended single tone with multiple voicings, in octaves. This single tone was compositionally developed by vibrati of various speeds, pulsations, glissandi and microtones. Comparatively speaking the later works have a longer duration, and often explore a richer timbre. Several of these last pieces were combined with prerecorded ondiola tapes played back normally or even backwards, producing a very rough timbral texture filled with overtones and subtle accents. Only the ondiola improvisations were transcribed for other instruments. I think it is important to acknowledge Vieri Tosatti's masterful and remarkably innovative realizations of the large ondiola scores. The guitar works are particularly impressive. Tapping, stroking, and strumming into a microphone transformed this too familiar instrument into a veritable percussion section.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

so, it's been transferred... when will we get to hear the tapes of Scelsi's electronic music

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

!!!

Turangalila, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

That's from October 1995!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 08:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I must say I never listened to him, but Omaggio a Giacinto Scelsi by Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza is immense and makes me want to find his stuff.

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 15 October 2009 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link

would recommend starting with the Wyttenbach recording of Uaxuctum

http://rapidshare.com/files/34483520/Giacinto_Scelsi-quattro_pezzi__anahit___uaxuctum_-_1989.rar

& my favorite single disc overview is the one on Editions RZ

Milton Parker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USk6UrE8cuI

equipment demo of the Ondiola @ 4:00, including a brief snippet of someone recreating a layered Scelsi-esque drone with the instrument to suggest what his multitrack improvisations sounded like

sure hope we get to hear those someday

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/p/pod/dod-idx/recovering-giacinto-scelsis-tapes.pdf?c=icmc;idno=bbp2372.2007.037

Milton Parker, Friday, 6 December 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link

Recovering Giacinto Scelsi's Tapes

Milton Parker, Friday, 6 December 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

I don't suppose these have seen the light of day yet?

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Can anyone recommend a good overview--that could mean book, compilation, or even online resource--of contemporary 'classical' music in this vein (as in frequently dissonant, occasionally difficult, dark orchestral stuff)? I'm a novice when it comes to this music, but I like what I've heard of Scelsi, Ligeti, some Messiaen, and rando odd stuff like Roland Kayn. I'm also way, way deep into the Tarkosvky soundtracks right now (and interested in hearing more Artemiev in general). But I have no real context, frame of reference, or sense of history (not that such things are necessary to enjoy anything, but indulge me). Little help?

Wimmels, Saturday, 22 October 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link


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