hrmmm
Sadly - they may never come out now - difficulties with David Roback’s management— Pat Thomas (@PatThomas1964) July 17, 2020
― tylerw, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:22 (three years ago) link
gahhhf. hazel plz check yr ilxmail
― sleeve, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:55 (three years ago) link
Sucks to hear it. :-/
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link
Thanks to David Roback, his management and the record company- these two releases are permanently cancelled. Yes, CDs were manufactured and a few copies were sold last November. Sadly the remainder will be destroyed. Kendra & I did everything we could to make this release happen— Pat Thomas (@PatThomas1964) November 11, 2020
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
fuuuuuck
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
such bullshit
he goes on to say: "it’s too complex to write it all out on Twitter, but I will say there were unreasonable and immoral demands set forth."
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
i'm trying to imagine who would be good for an opal / kendra smith tribute album ...
heron obliviondamon & naomimagik markersdream syndicatedean & britta
who else?!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
I saw Opal split up onstage in London in 1988, not their greatest show I'm guessing.
― happy dreamhorse baby (Matt #2), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
I'm still baffled a bit: was this some sort of final wish of Roback's before he died or was in his will, or is his estate just jerking everyone's chain?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
yeah i really have no idea.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
yeah it's a bit weird to blame him now given he's dead
― akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
the 'immoral' statement makes me assume that there was some assertion on Roback or his estate's part that would have denied any funds going to Kendra. Did they hate each other?
― akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
well that's depressing!
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
Low would be great for a tribute album.
― akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
there's already four Opal tribute albums, the last one was called Seasons of Your Day
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
haha, really? well i missed those.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
oh lol, i get it now.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
Wouldn't mind hearing William Reid sing "She's a Diamond".
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
so weird that they are going to destroy the remaining copies of this. I get that they can't sell them but surely they could give them away, at least?
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
that's a pretty typical aftereffect of these kinds of injunctions, iirc. like Prince w/the Black Album.
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link
it's hard to believe this band or anyone associated with it has the legal or financial wherewithal to impose any kind of injunction though.
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:48 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing they made a fair amount of money from Mazzy Star over the years, especially "Fade Into You"
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link
Roback and Hope, yes. But Roback is deceased. So I guess this falls to whoever is handling the estate, or whoever owns the rights to these recordings; I also know, from the little I've dealt with the American music club reissues, that dealing with rights holders for independent music from the 80's and 90's is a complete pain in the ass. Hats off to Light in the Attic and Omnivore and other reissue labels that have the patience to deal with it
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link
I mean yeah, remember that Happy Nightmare Baby was released on SST!
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
I believe it was a similar rights issue that kept the Game Theory records out of print in Scott Miller's lifetime, after Enigma Records had collapsed.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link
So sad that there's this kinda of wrangling over what must be a thin gruel of royalties
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
exactly. Pat clarified on twitter that the rights are owned 50/50 but Roback's demands were unacceptable. Hard to understand what kind of demands you can have when it's understood that you only own 50%. Frankly owning 50% of your rights for this stuff is pretty good.
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
Is the thinking sells on Discogs for $75, therefore the demand must be huge!?
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
god who knows. it's probably more along the lines of 'fade into you has made oodles of money and so there must be huge demand for his back catalogue' but I don't think reissues of Emergency Third Rail Power Trip sold out instantly and made trillions of dollars.
― akm, Friday, 13 November 2020 03:51 (three years ago) link
which songs on Early Recordings II are actually Opal songs? I assume the ones where Kendra is singing, but other than that...
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
seeing as some CDs were supposedly sold have the extra tracks surfaced anywhere yet? really want to hear the properly mastered Sailing Boats
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link
belated thanks to f hazel, just my webmail for the first time in months!
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 20:10 (three years ago) link
enjoy!
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:18 (three years ago) link
A 1988 show after Hope replaced Kendra. Audience recording but good once they get going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIWhLwJ-kyY
― nickn, Saturday, 30 October 2021 07:05 (two years ago) link
I ponied up for a copy of the deleted Early Recordings remaster (making it the only album I have overpaid for twice, both times deleted) and in addition to the fascination of the extra tracks, I gotta say the remaster is excellent. The music is so much more present and alive, whereas the original feels distant and slightly muffled.
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link
Live show above is lovely. The compression of the recording plus the LOUDLY mixed guitar is wonderful. Cheers for the link.
― Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 00:12 (two years ago) link
The remaster is great — lol, it really is so stupid that it's not available.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 15:32 (two years ago) link
really sad the Happy Nightmare Baby reissue never made it out either, the original CD master of that one isn't bad but it isn't great either
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
There's a seller (Global-Deals for You) on eBay offering multiple sets of Early Recordings and Happy Nightmare Baby on CD - 30 sold, 8 remaining - which I think is a liquidator. Wondering if it might be the unsold stock of the reissues. I have the Early Recordings reissue and the original HNB CD, so it would be pretty expensive for me to buy a set out of curiosity, but I'm putting it here in case there are folks without either CD who'd like to give it a shot. Their feedback includes positive responses from folks who bought the set, by the way.https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185279370201
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 29 September 2022 05:52 (one year ago) link
interesting! trying to justify buying it as I have both the original releases, I really want a hard copy of the extra Early tracks tho ...
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 29 September 2022 12:30 (one year ago) link
Remaster is excellent too, if that’s a factor for you.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 29 September 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link
arrived today, and as suspected they are the Salley Garden reissues that were pulled. v happy!
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
does the Happy Nightmare Baby CD have anything extra? is it remastered? the SST CD version doesn't sound bad but it doesn't sound amazing either...
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 17:06 (one year ago) link
nothing extra, I have the OG vinyl so can't compare.could rip & send if anyone's interested?
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 17:13 (one year ago) link
I would be interested to hear, yes please!
― sleeve, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 18:36 (one year ago) link
haha, I bought a set off the eBay auction so I can report back when I get mine re: old vs new HNB CD
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 19:13 (one year ago) link
(and can also rip for ILXors)
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link
ok ripped, anyone interested webmail me 4 link
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 19:43 (one year ago) link
or just post here and I'll web you, that's probably easier tbh
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 19:50 (one year ago) link