Dead or Alive: S & D

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Whoever the lead singer was, he beat Sylvester hands down as King of All Drag Queens. And he was a much more credible cowboy than Jon Bon Jovi (Bon Jovi affecting the cowpoke pose in his [what else?] "Dead or Alive].

Besides, if Lou Rawls, Leo Sayer, and Gino Vannelli can get their own S&D threads, why not Dead or Alive?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: _Rip It Up_, specifically the 12" version of "Something In My House". Destroy: "You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)", not because it's bad, but because it's looming presence in the national consciousness overshadows better songs, like "Brand New Love" and "My Heart Goes Bang".

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Still, Dan, that intro.

"AND I!"

Also, that line about sending this sloppy kiss to you.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dan! My man! You are my comrad! I too find Brand New Lover to be the better song. Oh, you are the first person I've seen agree with me besides my mom, who calls it "that one with a drag queen rodeo" btw, and I'm so happy.

The best line in Spin Me Round is "I want someone's son", for the record.

Ally, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I didn't say "You Spin Me Round" was bad, Ned, just overplayed. And don't deny that it is! *sternly shakes finger*

Ally, I can't believe I'm the first person to say that "Brand New Lover" is better than "You Spin Me Round". It's a much more accessible pop song, IMO. (Not that that matters; look at how popular "Music" was!)

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I loved the video for "Brand New Lover" (esp. the cheesy shot of the [evil?] cow lip-synching to the "Yeah! Yeah!"). And I've always dug that bass sound they put in their songs. Yeeeeeeeeeeee.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Brand New Lover is da bomb! Though I love You Spin Me Round also, I agree with most of the posters here that Brand New Lover has the slight edge. Also classic: the joint interview with Pete Burns and Morrissey. Possibly one of the campest things I've ever read.

Nicole, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Said interview sounds lurvly. And I do have to give credit to "Brand New Lover," as in fact that was the first Dead or Alive song I ever heard or heard of. And it did brighten up pop radio in 1986 quite nicely (and yes, that video). Feh, I was caught up with that bastard Southall and missed this love fest.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three years pass...
Dan otm re: Rip It Up and "Something in My House." (Actually, a Rip It Up cassette and the "Something in My House" 12" that I just bought are all that I own by DoA!)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
OMGWTF I JUST HEARD A "YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND" ON THE RADIO -- IT IS THE GAYEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, since you've posted about Dead or Alive back in 2001, I had assumed you knew of the song(????)

In any case, while in Vegas this past weekend at Caeser's Palace, they were blasting Dead Or Alive's "Brand New Lover", and I agree with Dan re: 2001. While "You Spin Me Round" is always going to be the classic, "Brand New Lover" was a superior pop song... the verses and chorus were just so well frosted. "Lover Come Back To Me" should have been the great followup, and "Big Daddy Of The Rhythm" is the lost single.. although I'm sure that song has been a leather bar classic since.

"Something In My House" I could take or leave. I always thought the album cover to Mad, Bad, and Dangerous To Know was just far too CREEPY than the music contained within. Pete Burns with black eyes = nooooooooooooo!

Now, who's going to admit love for Nude? Isn't this the album where the entire band sans Burns was dropped, and Petey became more gorgeous than his female protogés in the "Come Home With Me Baby" video? I remember the video, watching it with my mom one Christmas, and she said "GOD! HE'S GORGEOUS, now! HIS HAIR is better than any female model's that I've seen. WHAT HAPPENED?" I admit the song was pretty good, but I don't remember much from the rest of the album, per se.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Then again, the eye-patchless modern Pete Burns with the fish hook wound and the blue Uma wig out-creeps-out any phase of Pete Burns in the 80s by light years.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, since you've posted about Dead or Alive back in 2001, I had assumed you knew of the song(????)

oh, of course i knew of it ... just having some fun!

another amazing pete burns fact -- he's married, and to a woman! --> interview

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i also found online that joint pete burns/morrissey interview to which nicole referred upthread -- i will get round to linking to it in a bit.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

search:

http://www.toysnjoys.com/xbox/doaxbvball.jpg

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody needs anything from 1986 or later. All completely pointless. Not that "Qouthquake" was too good either, but it contains all one would need, such as "In Too Deep" which was the best thing they ever did.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I forget the name of the nemeses of Josie & The Pussycats, but essentially Dead Or Alive circa 1985 were marketed to be the evil doppelgängers to Culture Club, through and through. Oddly enough, they "won", given what would happen to the Club around that time, with Boy George's drug problems (and Goss problems, in retrospect) and such.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Boy George has had considerably more success from 1986 onwards than Pete Burns...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't argue with that...

(hence why i said "they" "won", instead of he, etc.)

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread is reminding me how much DoA -- including that Smash Hits Moz/Pete article -- impacted on my childhood from 1984-86. Even though my prepubescent mind seemingly viewed Pete as "zany" rather than "camp." LOL.

Search: the singles to '86, mostly as mentioned, plus second-tier stuff like "Save You All My Kisses," and their early cover of "That's the Way I Like It," complete with ridiculous steamy locker-room video, if I recall...

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link


My sister was absolutely obsessed with Pete Burns to the point of having a very thick Dead or Alive scrapbook. She seemed to have missed something though - in the 1985 Smash Hits Yearbook questionnairre, in response to the question 'What would you do if you found out that your best friend was gay?', she wrote 'KILL IT'.

rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone agrees that stock , aitken , waterman used the intro guitar riff from doa "brand new lover" for the solo in jason donovan's " nothing can divide us ?

dason jonovan, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:28 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
So I recently got the Dead Or Alive video compilation DVD called Evolution, which is great for all those mid 80s videos... however, you have to get past the recent photos of Pete Burns to get to not only the DVD and its contents, but also the liner notes, or "liner notes" if you can "call" them that. I'll "quote" the "liner notes" for you, ILMers, so you can "grasp" the look and "feel" for Pete Burns's "abstract" form of writing them. "Enjoy"! ":D"

...

Here it is..... an official compilation of Dead Or Alive videos. This is Pete Burns, attempting to write some notes, about the videos contained in this package. Some of you, who have bought this, might also have purchased the album "EVOLUTION" and will be familiar with my somewhat "abstract" style of writing liner notes.

Well, I am supposed to come up with "amusing anecdotes" about the making of these videos..... I can't ! In fact I found it agonising to have to watch them all back in order to compile this DVD. It all seems so long ago, and when we were "pushed" in front of film cameras, video was quite a new thing. I thought of them as sort of, "postcards" to various countries, that we might "chart" in; a way of saying "Hi, we are too busy to be there on your TV show, so here's a video instead." Largely I was mistaken, when given a choice all the countries we were too "busy" to go to said "We don't want to show the video...they have to BE HERE!" So, as far as I know, these videos were not exactly omnipresent in TV land. In fact, some of them were hardly shown at all...... After looking back at them (the first time I had to get drunk) on second viewing, I suspect there might have been slightly different reasons for not putting some of these videos on heavy rotation; I am sure some of you will know what I mean without me having to go into detail. What I can say is apart from the Tim Pope video "I'd Do Anything", as time went along I most definitely felt these are not really a good representation of "who" and "what" I am really about.

I was "in mainstream pop land" and too busy and hungry for "hits" to pay attention to "detail". We were having a "cheap laugh" by the time we did the video for "Spin Me" as nobody thought it would be a hit, and the formula seemed to work... for a while. By the time we got to "Something In My House", I felt I wanted to "express" myself on film, as well as record, amuse myself, show my "sense of humour" ...... Well apparently the manner in which I "peeled a banana" seemed to work against me/us! And, it was downhill all the way after that.

It seems to me it was perfectly acceptable for a "female" artist to be a bit "cheeky", but another thing altogether for somebody with my "disabilities" or "dubious sexuality" to even "wink" at camera! Of course by now I was "in on the joke" and if I couldn't be myself what was the point anyway? And, as there were still "budgets" available I did just that.... within reason.... so, by the time we got to "Come Home With Me Baby", I was off and running.... freedom.... and it felt great..... Of course if a video's success is judged by the amount of times it is on TV, by that time I was in commercial Siberia! But I never liked "hot" places anyway.

By this time Steve had taken control of editing the videos so they could convey "MY" vision, not the "directors brief". My brief! and a good job he did of it! By the time we got to "Rebel Rebel" OOOOOh! I was thrilled... a "punky" raw video that matched the vibe of the song!! Of course, nobody in TV land wanted to show it (Rebel Rebel) for some reason best known to themselves, they thought I was "brandishing a knife" and "swinging whisky straight from a bottle" in the end shots...... it was a comb and some mineral water!!!! So time flew by..... I was rarely asked to make a video again. I as a "male" artist became a "commercial liability" until.... "Hit And Run Lover" ..... and even then it was suggested that it "might be better" if we didn't see "the artist's lips". DON'T ASK ME !!!!!!!!

I refuse to give it any more thought it's just not a "logical" job I am in, and if I let that sorry excuse/suggestion get to me, we might never have made the video for "Spin Me 2003". Believe me, that was not an easy thing to convince anybody to do! But as it stands today, so far, that video still meets resistance in TV land, but I am happy with it and so are my "hardcore" fans and I feel privileged to still be able every once in a while to make these videos/records. It can be fun, it can be a nightmare, but even the tiniest bit of self expression is better than none at all. That's what I always hoped to inspire in people. Self expression, freedom and fun! But sometimes that has been/and is misinterpreted.... Hey!.... that's not my problem!

Songs sing themselves and a picture speaks a thousand words.... I hope you can "tune in" to the humour, see how hard it was to express it and swim in the memories this "sound and vision" package brings back to you. To any "new" recruits.... Hello.... welcome aboard, thanks for looking and I am compelled to tell you, in order to get to the future one simply has to acknowledge the past!

Love 2 u.... Pete Burns

dali madison's nut (donut), Saturday, 31 December 2005 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Search: _Rip It Up_, specifically the 12" version of "Something In My House".

OTM, solid from start to finish (though it's only 8 songs!)

Search: "Misty Circles" x1000, from Sophisticated Boom Boom, it's before SAW got their paws on the band and it's dark dance-pop at its finest. Co-written by Wayne Hussey even!

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 23 April 2007 06:12 (seventeen years ago) link

If someone could create a song with a verse as great as You Spin Me Round's, a chorus as great as Brand New Lover's, and a prechorus as great as Lover Come Back's, I think it would be my favorite song of all time.

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 23 April 2007 06:14 (seventeen years ago) link

(haha I didn't realize I had revived this thread earlier to say Dan OTM, whoops)

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 23 April 2007 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

evidence that I have been OTM for 10 years

a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

five years pass...

Whoa, news coming in now that Pete Burns has died, cardiac arrest:

https://twitter.com/davidsim/status/790605733809315841

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 October 2016 17:29 (seven years ago) link

god, RIP

RIP

¶ (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link

RIP Pete ;_;

Millions of species Faye Dunaway (Tom D.), Monday, 24 October 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link

poor bugger never got to enjoy the royalties from the insanely ott boxset that has only just been released.

i dread to think of the tabloid headlines.

rip pete.

mark e, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link

RIP.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 24 October 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link

RIP

here we are now entertain us (snoball), Monday, 24 October 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link

RIP

electric wight dorkestra (crüt), Monday, 24 October 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link

Listening now to Boy George interviews Pete Burns live on radio

https://vimeo.com/12690462

PappaWheelie V, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link

(not live)

PappaWheelie V, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link

RIP

This is great - memories of a shop assistant:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/790630684754866176

Jeff W, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link

Just about to post that. Amazing stuff.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link

i have tried to convince geoff/age of chance to post a pic he has re the probe crew with pete.

its wonderful.

mark e, Monday, 24 October 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

Strange. Wikipedia still have him as alive.

Freedom, Monday, 24 October 2016 21:45 (seven years ago) link

apparently the probe era stuff is from a personal stash so i am not allowed to post ..

mark e, Monday, 24 October 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link

xx-post:

No they don't!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 24 October 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link

I saw he was due on "Loose Women" today, I guess he wasn't as its a live show.

Mark G, Monday, 24 October 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

It's tragic how so little people know that Pete Burns was part of the Liverpool post-punk Eric's scene alongside Pete Wylie, Ian Broudie, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, The Teardrop Explodes, Echo & The Bunnymen, Bill Drummond etc. He was right in the thick of all that stuff, yet is sadly destined to be remembered as the guy that had a lot of plastic surgery and sang that Stock Aitken Waterman produced song about being spun 'round like a record.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 24 October 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

Yeah the Pete Frame family tree on Liverpool 1980, when I first encountered it, really helped open my eyes to his place in it all:

http://blog.shelflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/liverpool19801.jpg

And the description of him in there is astounding:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvjtjhGVYAE2xjd.jpg:large

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link

Yeah,but had it not been for that record, yr auntie etc wouldn't know him at all.

The rest of us can remember him for all of those things.

Mark G, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link

It's tragic how so little people know that Pete Burns was part of the Liverpool post-punk Eric's scene alongside Pete Wylie, Ian Broudie, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, The Teardrop Explodes, Echo & The Bunnymen, Bill Drummond etc

this.
i only found out via geoff/aoc.

mark e, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link

That DVD sleeve note is ex+, mind you it could suit the maj of such vid collections

Mark G, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link

was wondering why a Dead or Alive thread was so busy. RIP.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 06:20 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

Just heard their Prince cover for the first time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2mlzaP3Cg

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Thursday, 2 February 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link

This one's less memorable than "Pop Life," but it's still fun as Dead or Alive doing a random cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3KefyzCGUY

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:18 (one year ago) link


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