CURRENT "BLACK FLAG" tour

Jon, I had to leave early but while i was there they didn't team up.

Perhaps during the encore.

jon, thats not telling the whole story.

here!
http://www.citizinemag.com/music/music-0306_gregginn1.htm

PS when the fuck did they become "The Flag"?

I love how Ginn is canonized for Black Flag. Seriously there's like 3 albums worth of good material with him and then it starts falling to shit. Anybody wanna hear "Loose Nut"? For that matter, how about some Gone? Mojack? Fast Gato? HOR?

He's a wanker, get over it.

dude, you totally fucked up the status quo.

what about robo and dez playing with jerry and the misfits, they play jealous again and tv party with dez on vox.

he is, for certain, the only ex-flagger to have dated kari whurer (sp?).

http://www.hevy.co.uk/

Wait, what now?

there's another version of Black Flag just called Flag w/ Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson and Stephen Egerton from the Descendents etc. competing versions of the same band are never not funny (as noted above) but I would actually go and see the Morris etc one

I think there's definitely an argument that says if it's not Chuck then it's not Black Flag.

Would agree with that argument (though I have time for Flag's post-My War LPs). Ron's a sweetheart, and the show he played for his 50th, with Ginn appearing for the encore, looked like lots of fun. But the 2003 "reunion" was so so so so very bad. Wonder if Ginn's going to use a tape recording of himself playing bass again this time.

[important: by '2003 reunion' i mean ginn's charity show for the cat rescue place, not the rollins-related WM3 reunion]

Again with the reuniting. http://www.nme.com/news/black-flag/68356

perhaps naively, am stunned at how poorly written even a simple news story is on the NME website

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Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson and Stephen Egerton from the Descendents etc

ok this is awesome in part for the fact that morris and stevenson were from totally different eras of the band

def. they all knew each other back in the day though...

i hope it means you get to hear keith singing my war

as one of the flag singers treated worst by the group/ginn after leaving, he'd be within his rights to sing it!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/150623_10151667742114428_1628686654_n.jpg

what a shitshow

FREE CAMPING

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/734185_10151692219692178_1155145144_n.jpg

lol

lol that muddy roots fest! every band name is golden.

Joe Buck Yourself

Cutthroat Shamrock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv0lg-LklZk

Wow Bill is fat!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/flag-reunites-black-flag-veterans-20130207

I also understand that another former Black Flag member has just signed on with Flag.

Chuck Dukowski: We'd been talking about bringing Dez [Cadena] in too, so we brought Dez in.

hahaha awesome

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/bp/black-flag.jpg

got to tip the hat to the brooklynvegan commenter who noticed that Greg is wearing a Bassnectar (the Black Flag of brostep) shirt in this photo

Black Flag put up a new song for download, and if that wasn’t an odd enough sentence on its own, they also offered some fighting words for Flag. They posted “***note: not to be confused with the ‘fake’ Flag band currently covering the songs of BLACK FLAG in an embarrassingly weak “mailing it in” fashion*** We urge you to check out the real BLACK FLAG when they hit your area.”

which of these black flags will be better live I wonder.

BF is playing Oakland when I'm planning on being in fucking Europe. maybe I need to rejigger my vacation plans.

"C'mon, let's go see the creepy old cat man dance around."

"...uh, yeah, the Eiffel Tower!"

The new song is pretty much crap.

It's horrible

Nearly everyone hates what Ginn is doing these days but Peter...

Well, this Black Flag has only been playing shows since May 15. If they'd sprung up out of nowhere, I'd say, "Go see this great new hardcore-punk-funk band with a theremin." But obviously the songbook is central and inescapable. If anything, Mike seems slightly wary of the audience, maybe for that reason, and hides in the songs. But the difference from the lineup of a year ago (at least judging by Youtube) becomes obvious on a song like "Depression," where the new drummer actually plays the fill.

Flag were so great last night. I've never slamdanced with such a grin on my face. I didn't realize how badly I needed to hear "Rise Above" live.

I started a "Fuck Greg Ginn" chant after Keith Morris said "we're being forced to tour under this name because of the way we were treated by this one complete asshole" or something like that.

do they always put the setlist in a very visible place on the drum kit? that was a little weird, knowing in advance the songs....probably to stop fanboys from shouting out requests

Hmm I have been debating going to see Flag in August but wasn't sure as it isn't cheap.

yeah I saw em a couple years ago on the first tour and honestly I was so happy it "felt" like Black Flag in a way I doubt any of these official Ginn weird lineups did.....the Descendents dude had Ginn's guitar sound and riffs DOWN

Setlist large and visible, well if you were upfront in DC. A great oldies but goodies set from Flag.

going to see Black Flag (w/ Ginn) tonight. if i had a choice between Flag and Black Flag I'd probably choose Flag, mostly because my "fuck Greg Ginn" chant wouldn't get me thrown out of that show, and well....Ginn is a dicknugget. But I don't and I want to hear these songs. so I'll tell you if it's terrible. apparently no more theremin solos though so...there's...that.

i passed on this in the bay area; a friend went and said it was very tame.

Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.

I don't expect it to be life-changing but we will see

Pre show music has been all Rat Pack and "Que Sera Sera".

Fail. Now i want a crooner show. It's cold and badly lit. Bring on the glasses of fake rum

I mean Ginn you're not THAT old

i'm really curious as to how his guitar playing's held up through his long period of jambandery

One Phish lick and i am setting this bar ablaze

I left 30 minutes in. Complete garbage

Ginn sounds fine. Vallely is a charisma vacuum of a vocalist, the sound was quieter than the opening act, and all half the crowd did was stand around and film it

If you have seen FLAG tour...you have seen a much better show. I actually moshed with kids half my age at that shit. This was like Kids Bop Black Flag

Keith Morris is pretty scathing about being involved in the original reunion with Ginn as Black Flag.
Says Ginn wanted to slow down tempos on everything. & saw Korn as a model for what a band should sound like.

Also that he went in expecting Chuck Dukowski and other exmembers to join but Ginn was against that from the start.
In fact seems weird that rin reyes would agree to apparently replace him. Might have thought he would have heard the negative from somewhere before joining.

lol. i did feel like a few tempos were slower. some people were going nuts over the music and i'm like far be it for me to like shit on something you like but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

but dear lord he could really improve things tenfold just by HIRING BACK ONE OF HIS ORIGINAL FRONTMEN, omg, Vallely sucks and he's also 3 feet tall so I couldn't see him over people's heads half the night

How many of his original frontmen would want the job at this point, seeing how Reyes was treated

I'm pretty sure I'd rather see the Chuck Dukowski Sextet live than GinnFlag

Yeah you would. I had so much more fun at Flag. I'd rather listen to farts than Ginn

I don't think Mike Vallely is short. Google says he's 5' 10".

More importantly, googling that led me to his skate videos, which are just as great as I remember.

It was probably a perspective issue with the stage, which wasn't raised much. From where i was standing, Ginn didn't look tall but I remembered he's like 6'5 or something. So Vallely obv would have looked much shorter in comparison despite not being Danzig-sized.

So I'll strike my fake news height comments, but vocals are definitely not his thing. He wasn't unusually bad, but it sounded like karaoke. Everybody could play their instruments but it felt so perfunctory.

The songs that worked best were post-My War tunes

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal) at 9:08 21 Jan 20
Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.

FLAG is actually pretty damn good, aged and cobbled together as it is. Saw em last year and had a lot of fun. Descendent’s guitarist totally nails the classic Ginn guitar sound, gnarly ass solos and all.

I’ve heard nothing but sad things about the “Black Flag” incarnation.

that's the other thing, Keith talked to the crowd. there was no communication with the crowd last night. not once.

the guitar also was very clean sounding. if the guitar was dialed down a smidge more, I'd have been at a Minutemen show. which is great, if they're The Minutemen playing Minutemen songs, not so much when you're a noisy-meedly-weedly punk band

but the thing that made me leave was the constant stream of assholes who kept rudely shoving (or trying to shove) by me to get to the front, until I spread my shoulders and cut off all entry points behind me. how the hell can you watch a show when you're constantly having your space invaded? only to come back minutes later so you have to do the whole charade again.

that's more a discussion for the show etiquette thread though.

Also, in regards to the ‘peace, man’ post, Fish Head Cantina is about as lame and shitty as you would expect it to be. The fact that the Ginn & Crew version were playing there told me enough about what to expect.

lol. I liked the place last night, but it's a place you go to have good beer with friends near the beach. it's horrible for a concert.

the place they're playing this weekend? a local Cafe/restaurant that has poker games and is equally awkward. these are teh places they're playing.

Flag, on the other hand, played the State Theater in St Pete and the shit sold out or damn close.

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

You would think. It might also be intentional on Ginn's part. They just got announced as playing this big festival here in Sept that fuckin Judas Priest is playing at so clearly the ability is there.

But on the other hand, sales are so shit to Saturday's show, the owner of the venue walked into one of my best friends' cat cafes and just gave him two tickets (which are going for $35 even though it's literally at a restaurant).

My friend has zero interest in punk rock or Black Flag either

Hell even the current version of the Cro Mags is playing bigger venues here

Ugh it's all so dire

So many sentences in the world of punk rock begin with "If Greg Ginn wasn't such an asshole..."

Like when Saint Vitus albums were out of print for decades but no one else could reissue them, and probably almost every other SST band

yup :(

it's also been easy for me to forget in today's easy access media era how much it sucked when you wanted to hear an album and you legitimately had no way to fuckin hear it other than buying a used cd or vinyl in an eBay auction and paying way more than it was worth.

and hoping the cd you got wasn't a damn cd-r

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

yeah "Gimme Gimme Gimme" was loud and raucous at Flag.

yesterday it was 30% slower than usual and it sounded like four people dicking around on it at a Sam Ash.

I also left because I refused to hear them mangle "Rise Above" or "Damaged I". they were just getting to "Six Pack" when I was leaving and someone screamed 'THIS IS THE SHIT THAT STARTED IT ALL' but he was in the bar and you can barely hear or see the show from there so...i had no idea why he was excited.

i might have left earlier if it wasn't 30 degrees outside. us Floridians cannot handle cold.

When he played around here a few months ago, it was at a place outside of town I'd never heard of before that is both a "cantina" and a "rockin' sushi bar". Which might not be so bad - I dont want to disparage this place I've never been! ...

― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:56 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

So a Guy Fieri restaurant!?

it's weird, they played in London recently at the Electric Ballroom with Total Chaos (I mean yeah that's not a good band but they aren't unpopular) supporting. the Electric Ballroom also coincidentally where the Circle Jerks are playing this year. so it seems like they are playing appropriate venues over here

(I didn't go, because of everything I've ever read about this incarnation of Black Flag)

maybe Dukowski is still booking their US tours but he's just trying to fuck with them

but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

― Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal)

i do believe that if greg ginn died, you'd notice a difference, because a lot of people would suddenly be in a celebratory mood.

Might even crack open a

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

LOL

bwaha

Out At The Store Today
Saw Black Flag Coupon On A Vitamin Rack
A Little Voice Inside My Head Said:
"Don't Forget The Cheese, Your Wife Asked For Monterey Jack..."

*to self*
“well shit. i wasnt gonna go but I do need multivitamins...”