Bananarama - Classic Or Dud

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Oh come on they were terrific.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 August 2003 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

With a few exceptions ('I heard a rumour', 'Love in the third degree') I think they were better before they met Waterman. 'Robert de Niro's Waiting' and 'Cruel Summer' are still great.

They claim they invented Madonna - or her dress sense, at least.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 22 August 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

Jerry the Nipper is OTM. The majority of their Waterman stuff is forced and desperate, with no charm whatsoever. Their early stuff has a type of joy and breeziness the later hits simply could not match.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

"cruel summer" sounds so DIY!

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

It Ain't What You Do... (with Fun Boy 3)
Venus
Really Saying Something
Robert De Niro's Waiting

everything else pretty dud I'd say

stevem (blueski), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

The majority of their Waterman stuff is forced and desperate, with no charm whatsoever.

Utterly, totally correct. It's a grueling, grinding mess that is a prime counterargument to Waterman's self-belief that he's a flawless master of perfect pop. It just isn't so.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

The later 'Nana singles were some of PWL's best work, I think. But yeah, I prefer the 'early years' Funboy Three collaberations -> PWL.
I heard Trick of the Night recently, still sounds good.
(the Comic Relief Help! single has to have been their worst moment)
(Bananarama > Shakespeare's Sister anyway)

David Merryweather (DavidM), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

(Bananarama > Shakespeare's Sister anyway)

I was going to make that comparison but I thought that might be too cruel.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

Classic. Watching their videos has made it clear to me that if the Raincoats had sold out (well) than they would have done stuff like "Cruel Summer" and "Robert DeNiro's Waiting."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

weren't they moving in a tom tom club direction with moving though? (the raincoats that is.)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

They were possibly the first band I truly hated.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

That's why I said if they sold out well, Amateurist. Bananarama shares more with the Raincoats vocally and lyrically.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

classic, as already pointed out on N's 80s thread

the early stuff is the best ("shy boy" is my favourite), but even when they started shedding members* they were still could churn out good singles ("preacher man", cover of "long train running" i'm thinking of in particular)

*haha at one point i thought they might get down to 0 and still release records in an electric prunes kinda way!

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

Im gonna say dud.

I like Dramarama though.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

Somebody's head is stuck up their Wonderamaland!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

Mock not the Dramarama or John Easdale. Dammit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

How much do I love paining the '80s college rock flame-bearers and fire-honorers?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

I turned down free tickets to Dramarama, and I'm glad I did.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

Depending on the era, you were probably right to do that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

How much do I love paining the '80s college rock flame-bearers and fire-honorers?

Y'all on crack? You're not paining me on that front!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

They seemed worse than Dumpy's Rusty Nuts.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

joining the love for early Bananarama. Cruel Summer still gives me little tingles of happiness

H (Heruy), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

*frowns quizzically* I'm actually sorta curious, Larcole, what gave you that impression?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

Their music?

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but Dumpy's Rusty Nuts? I suppose if Dramarama liked Foghat instead of Bowie and Lou Reed...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

They may have wanted to sound like Bowie and Lou Reed, but they were just dire scumrock blehness.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

they'll give you candy, though.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Diamonds, pill, anything you want, really.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

It would probably be some linty jolly ranchers.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

(FWIW, my favorite song of theirs is actually "Scenario" from that first album, which is the best Psych Furs song they never did.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

I didnt mean to jack this thread with my Dramarama comment. My bad.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

no worries, spinktor. there will now follow 30 posts abt "aie a mwana"...

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Mananama?

Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

Mamorama...like as in 'mammories"...uh huh huh....boobs.....

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

One of the many fascinating components of the sound of my little years. Classic. And the video for 'Love In The First Degree' never fails to mildly amuse. Word.

Barima (Barima), Sunday, 24 August 2003 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

i really love their SAW period too, i got "wow" as a birthday present when it came out and it still holds up after 15 odd years, in fact its a great album from start to finish. i like their early stuff okay too, esp "cruel summer".

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 24 August 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

they were pretty much the only good SAW band, although their best work was done pre-SAW.

I also liked their post SAW single, the one with the woooh wooohs on it.

I'm glad someone has pointed out that they were WAY better than Shakespeare's Sister. It was always amusing how Siobhan Fahey left the Narns because she wanted to make "serious" music and instead just made SHITE.

mmmm, Bananarama.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

i hear they're still touring. i wonder what kind of show are they offering: the older hits, the SAW stuff, new songs? and which line-up?

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 25 August 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

'True Confessions' is half Swain-Joley and half-SAW IIRC, and both sides are excellent. "More Than Physical" is the great lost track.

dave q, Monday, 25 August 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
whatever next:

Bananarama Makes Comeback
http://www.arjanwrites.com/arjanwrites/2005/07/bananarama_make.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"A Trick of the Night" is their sleeper stunner.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

What, behind much, Martian? "Move In My Direction" has been doing the rounds for months now. And very great it is too.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 15 July 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Love, Truth and Honesty" owns.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, they really couldn't sing.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I have like six remixes and the original of "More Than Physical" and I have to say that I don't see what dave q sees in it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, they really couldn't sing.

Didn't matter.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

they had about 5 brilliant albums .
after the masterpiece of "wow" they did their worst album then "please yourself" was brilliant ."i could be persuaded " should have ben a hit.

keren's toyboy, Saturday, 16 July 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

opinions on "move in my direction"?

ok it's "can't get you out of my head" redux and the tax bill probably came through the post, but i find it rather a fetching single and wouldn't mind if it became their first (!) number one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 25 July 2005 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard it yet, but I want it to go top 3 on principle.

BARMS, Monday, 25 July 2005 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

What was their comeback single from 1998/99 like?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 25 July 2005 11:02 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
REVIVE!

Second single off new album "Look On The Floor" is really rather good. It's based around 80s Itali-disco classic "Hypnotic Tango" (well, I hear it's a classic. I'm actually only familiar with the recent Master Blaster cover version from 2003). Gasp, I might even be looking forward to "Drama" now...

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 10 October 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Info on the new release:

http://www.almightyisis.com/images/bbimages/bananarama.jpg

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

hypnotic tango eh?

i love cruel summer.

jaime, Thursday, 27 April 2006 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Jerry The Nipper OTM about early Bananarama. Particularly love "Cruel Summer", "Robert De Niro's Waiting" and their last ever Jolley/Swain-hit, "A Trick Of The Night".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

They had some great songs, but my god, their cover of "Nathan Jones" is the worst thing EVER. I wonder if "Really Saying Something" is the Motown song, and if they will ruin that one for me too.

musically (musically), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The new album is ace. Lovebite yowsa.

j0e (j0e), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

before I die, I am going to record a Jose Gonzales version of cruel summer.

with one guitar, a bottle of whisky and a broken heart, you could own that song.

Danny boy, Thursday, 27 April 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

From TV Cream:

IN AT THE DEEP END (1982-4)
BBC

DULL THAT'S LIFERS CHRIS SERLE and PAUL HEINEY attempt to "do" various "glamour" jobs - photographer, auctioneer, fashion designer etc. Best ones - Heiney conceives and directs that awful video for Bananarama's "Trick of the Night" (helping it reach the giddy heights of number 32) and Serle gives Jilly Cooper an "adventurous" new hairstyle for an awards ceremony (she looked like utter shit.) Titles, puzzlingly, evoked the "swimming pool orgy" scene from THE STUD. A mixed bag, but all in all a much preferable 'Life spin-off than THE BIG TIME.

The 'Rama show is ingrained in my memory for no reason.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I have just been given two copies of the "Venus" 12" single, with different versions on each. I am playing them loud.

trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 4 June 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I still stand by "A Trick of the Night."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 4 June 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

"I have like six remixes and the original of "More Than Physical" and I have to say that I don't see what dave q sees in it."

This is the song Rita and Sue dance to in front of the TV in "Rita Sue and Bob Too" :)

JTS (JTS), Sunday, 4 June 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

whatever next !

Mail on Sunday to give away Bananarama's greatest hits

http://tinyurl.com/ywac78

They're one of the greatest girl bands in British pop history ... and next week you'll get their latest album - featuring 15 of their original studio recordings of their greatest hits - FREE inside The Mail on Sunday.

djmartian, Sunday, 29 July 2007 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link

if they'd done this a year ago i would've bought it ha

blueski, Sunday, 29 July 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I always thought that they looked like Lambeth Council's Gender Equality Unit indulging in a bizarre attempt to look glam.

They were good pop music in the same way that Sainsburys is a good supermarket.

PhilK, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:28 (sixteen years ago) link

there was an article about this in the daily mail the other day

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 July 2007 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I picked up a reissue of Deep Sea Skiving in Paris. I'm not sure what to think of it. They didn't really "do" tunes at that stage, did they?

Tim F, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link

You don't think so? That's their best studio album!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not saying it's bad!

Tim F, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I'm just surprised by it because my knowledge of their early stuff was basically limited to "Venus" and the Fun Boy 3 collab-o.

Tim F, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link

have you heard the other 1986 stuff? "A Trick of the Night" is something special. One of these days I have to write something about this.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

the only group i own 20 singles by. wait, maybe that's not true. it's possible i own 20 madonna singles. i'll have to check...

scott seward, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Better than the Beatles.

Freedom, Monday, 27 April 2009 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

IN AT THE DEEP END (1982-4)
BBC

(...)

The 'Rama show is ingrained in my memory for no reason.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:19 (2 years ago)

I remember this as well. Especially Heiney's earlier practice video with a typical lol80's pop/rock band, of which all I can remember is that the lyrics mentioned "burning" or "I'm on fire" or something, and Heiney cut to a red spotlight. His mentor later appraised the finished video with the words "er, that's... interesting" clearly meaning "er, that's shit..."

snoball, Monday, 27 April 2009 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

TS: Bananarama's Jolley & Swain years vs. Bananarama's Stock/Aitken/Waterman years.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 27 April 2009 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

wtf at the link name

Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 10:51 (seven years ago) link

WTF at the comments!

ChrisD58 7h ago

It must be my age but personally I think they're better looking now than back then!!

Andrew Jones ChrisD58 6h ago

Whilst they do look damn good for their age (unlike me) I have to disagree. 80's Keren Woodward was a living goddess. Back then I would have slaughtered my entire family in return for a few hours in her company. Nowadays I'd only slaughter my sister in law.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 24 April 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

Happy birthday, Siobhan!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link

https://youtu.be/8kjy1W4Gk_s

这是我的显示名称 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 September 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link


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