Stone Temple Pilots

this is not something i say often but the mute trumpet solo on adhesive really works

I can't imagine junkies playing thrash tbh

I actually asked Dave Mustaine how he played Megadeth songs while on heroin; he said it was mostly about muscle memory.

xpost i totally forgot about that! agreed

ah right I forgot about Mustaine. feel like all the other crazy thrash-related drug flameouts/deaths (the handful I can recall anyway) were all alcohol/coke/meth-related

i totally say nice things about STP at the top of this thread. which was fun to read. chuck and ned fighting about stabbing westward! oh the times we had.

i don't think i ever knew any big fans of this band either really. but they were kinda after my time and i don't know a lot of younger normal people.

wonder what the reaction will be when everclear dies.

my world of younger normal people

maybe it's more the personality types that make those specific genres of music.

and since we're listing who we know that did-or-didn't like STP – my old boss is crestfallen. i jokingly wrote my condolences on his fb wall and he took it at face value. he is very seriously grief-stricken! I have no doubts he took the week off work and is likely totally inaccessible for anyone one his team.

xposts - holy shit, stabbing westward!

okay, as a for instance, i don't know a single pearl jam fan. or maybe people just don't admit that to me. i think i would really have to know more normal middle-american people or something to know pearl jam fans. people who play softball on the weekend with their work buddies? i think that's a thing people do.

When I worked at Roadrunner Records, I worked with two major Pearl Jam fans. (They were Foo Fighters and Billy Joel fans, too. It was a nightmare.)

wonder what the reaction will be when everclear dies.

p sure they'll be talking about that bear mauling incident for weeks on end

wonder what the reaction will be when everclear dies.

i'll be totally devastated tbh

heh Stabbing Westward. I'll still stan for Whither Blister Burn though I've been told that Ungod was more actual industrial. by Whither, Blister it was clear that they wanted to write pop songs and just kinda threw the industro/dance guitar in around that. but it worked.

they sucked after that. had one in them!

My Purple cassette was played pretty regularly way back then. I should listen to it again.

A couple of years ago, I was playing Rock Band at a friends house and I ended up signing one of their songs. I generally don't pay a whole lot of attention to lyrics so even though I had heard the song possibly hundreds of time before when I got to the "when the dogs begin to smell her" part I was like what the hell is this shit.

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

one of my best friends is a legitimate die-hard pearl jam fan. totally obsessed. he is a wilderness educator and science teacher in a tiny mountain town in CO, grows and smokes a ton of weed and is an amazing father and is super funny and really just a wonderful person tbh. i don't even like pearl jam but obviously there is a point at which one's music taste doesn't mean shit of course

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson)

how much you want?

i'd actually imagine pearl jam fans to be solid citizens who would be good people to be with during a natural disaster. handy. reliable.

isn't some dude a Pearl Jam fan?

I like them too. Pearl Jam's better than STP though.

I know a couple Pearl Jam fans irl. they are Pac Northwest folks (or were during the peak era anyway)

Three of my closest friends are lifelone Pearl Jam fans, which I'm fine with so long as I don't have to shout along to "Yellow Ledbetter" in the car.

I'm a Pearl Jam fan and yeah they're totally better than STP.

I haven't listened to them since that boring avocado s/t album but I like most of the rest. sometimes I'll sing "brain of J" in public for no reason

rip everclear

http://connected-i.com/2011/07/02/art-alexakis-canyon-music-review

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, December 7, 2015 11:30 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would gladly vote and talk about this album

i don't know if you guys really count as fans. like, people who buy all their albums and go see them live. that kind of fan. i know everyone here can think of nice things to say about anything.

I saw them in 2000 on a two hour road trip. I do have the rest of their albums except the last two - I even stupidly spent money on those authorized bootlegs they were selling in the store during the Binaural tour. Bought two of em!

not as big of a fan now but I'll still fuck w/ em all day

I've seen them live four times, drunk through two of those performances. They were never less than excellent.

in middle school i was a huuuuuge pearl jam fan. bought all the records, really wanted to see them but never did

now i can't even imagine myself listening to them but boy, i fucking loved vitalogy and no code

No. 4 was the album for me; get past the red-herring nu-metal singles and it's p much just a cohesive blending of glammy garage rock and shoegaze, with a couple 60s LA pastiches thrown in for good measure. One of the best alt-rock albums from the late nineties.

― Drugs A. Money, Sunday, December 6, 2015 1:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure about that last sentence either way (they weren't quite that good, were they?) But cosign on everything else in this quote. I pull this one out more than any other when I want to hear STP.

I know more IRL Stone Temple Pilots fans than Pearl Jam fans. Almost everyone I knew in middle school preferred Nirvana to PJ; I kinda did, too, but liked both plenty. This was already a few years after grunge peaked, like 1995-1997.

Pearl Jam in concert (2003?) smoked STP (1996), though the latter were perfectly professional, Weiland included. Local H ('member them?) opened for STP and were fucking fantastic.

i'm sure a lot of things from teh grunge years are better than i remember, aside from the general proportion of contemporary junk that got shine from its proximity, but i have trouble hearing any of it. i listen to nirvana and soundgarden and that's it, of the radio stars. i feel confident that there is nothing wrong with pearl jam and they are a perfectly fine band which i loved back when (eddie v snl "K" tribute to kurdt <3) but i… don't ever want to hear them again.

maybe this is how people who were 70s-80s zeppelin fans feel.

Local H was instrumental in teaching the word "copacetic" to 14 year old dorks in gym class

STP and Nirvana are probably the only ones out of those bands that I regularly revisit, which is pretty funny

one of my best friends in school was so dumm he carved kurt's name into his leg with a knife after kurt died -

he was a bigger grunge fan than any of us maybe (if such things can be measured).

later in life he worked for a while in commercial radio, must have been his dream job at the time. caught up with him on facebork in recent years and he is still a 100% pearl jam superfan.

isn't some dude a Pearl Jam fan?

― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, December 7, 2015 1:37 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm not in the Ten Club or anything but yeah i love em

i saw STP live in 2008, right after Weiland came back from Velvet Revolver, and he sounded really good and was on point, but i remember him coming off really strange and nonsensical every time he talked to the crowd between songs. i think he may have just had an odd sense of humor.

I think you all need to read this.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207

sounds about right. he was truly a mess. the death of an addict can often be a weird mix of grief and relief. i feel bad for anyone who has to deal with that for so long. i don't know if anyone is really gonna glorify his death too much? he was kind of a poster child for the benefits of staying sober. if anything he made it longer than a lot of people probably ever thought he would.

in that howard stern interview he says that he's clean but that he drinks. it's an old interview. but in a lot of later pictures/live footage he definitely looks like a drunk. i mean his face has that hardcore drunk look. and he talked like it too. also in the stern interview he says that he's sick of touring but he has to tour to make money to pay for everything. kinda the worst thing you can do when you're sick. be out there on the road forever. he needed a very long hospital stay.

yeah...the guy sold like TWENTY MILLION ALBUMS but i can't imagine there was much responsible money management in his life.

the letter is pretty hard to read but i'm glad they said it and didn't sugarcoat it. the sentence that briefly imagines him at home, barbecuing with his kids instead of dying along in a tourbus is just heartbreaking. having kids can really summon the best from you as a person, and it's so sad to think about addiction just completely canceling that out and not giving him a chance to be a dad.

on stern he said he needed to make $60,000 a month on the road to pay his bills.

i guess he was either lucky or unlucky enough to have the money to keep going as long as he did.

I wasn't even 10 when STP were on their peak (1993/1994?) and I wasn't really exposed to any of their music until the 'Sour Girl' single came along. It was also the only song I ever knew about them and based on that track alone I thought they were some sort of psychedelic band, not a grunge one. It reminded me of the first Porno for Pyros album and the first Smashing Pumpkins album (why did I knew about these albums and I had never heard of stone temple pilots? I don't know.) and made a mental note about hearing more songs from them which I never did.

yeah I was young enough where "sour girl" was the first time I recognized stp as stp

I was also deep into nu metal so I loved "no way out"

"Sour Girl" was the big STP single for me too, everything else was just glimpses of the garish older videos

Mary Weiland's piece was fucking brutal.

Relistening to all this stuff. Forgot that they jacked Lush for Big Bang Baby. Going to go listen to Lush now instead.

― how's life, Monday, December 7, 2015 6:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As someone who's never listened to Lush, what Lush song sounds like it? Because if there are more songs that sound like Big Bang Baby in the world, I want to hear them.

There's a piece in "Big Bang Baby" that cops from the chorus of Lush's "For Love," obliquely.

They are not the same vibe really, but I've cued these youtubes up to the salient parts:

https://youtu.be/G0gAxuvo5rc?t=1m40s
https://youtu.be/iYF7VFvzWGo?t=46s

There's a piece in "Big Bang Baby" that cops from the chorus of Lush's "For Love," obliquely.

Also, "Jumping Jack Flash"

No shit, really?

rufus - who is in the 8th grade - just told me that his teacher brought up pearl jam one day and asked the class - 18 kids - if they knew who pearl jam was and rufus was the only one who raised his hand.

which i guess makes sense.