Stone Temple Pilots

Three of my closest friends are lifelone Pearl Jam fans, which I'm fine with so long as I don't have to shout along to "Yellow Ledbetter" in the car.

I'm a Pearl Jam fan and yeah they're totally better than STP.

I haven't listened to them since that boring avocado s/t album but I like most of the rest. sometimes I'll sing "brain of J" in public for no reason

rip everclear

http://connected-i.com/2011/07/02/art-alexakis-canyon-music-review

*starts a so much for the afterglow poll*

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, December 7, 2015 11:30 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would gladly vote and talk about this album

i don't know if you guys really count as fans. like, people who buy all their albums and go see them live. that kind of fan. i know everyone here can think of nice things to say about anything.

I saw them in 2000 on a two hour road trip. I do have the rest of their albums except the last two - I even stupidly spent money on those authorized bootlegs they were selling in the store during the Binaural tour. Bought two of em!

not as big of a fan now but I'll still fuck w/ em all day

I've seen them live four times, drunk through two of those performances. They were never less than excellent.

in middle school i was a huuuuuge pearl jam fan. bought all the records, really wanted to see them but never did

now i can't even imagine myself listening to them but boy, i fucking loved vitalogy and no code

No. 4 was the album for me; get past the red-herring nu-metal singles and it's p much just a cohesive blending of glammy garage rock and shoegaze, with a couple 60s LA pastiches thrown in for good measure. One of the best alt-rock albums from the late nineties.

― Drugs A. Money, Sunday, December 6, 2015 1:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure about that last sentence either way (they weren't quite that good, were they?) But cosign on everything else in this quote. I pull this one out more than any other when I want to hear STP.

I know more IRL Stone Temple Pilots fans than Pearl Jam fans. Almost everyone I knew in middle school preferred Nirvana to PJ; I kinda did, too, but liked both plenty. This was already a few years after grunge peaked, like 1995-1997.

Pearl Jam in concert (2003?) smoked STP (1996), though the latter were perfectly professional, Weiland included. Local H ('member them?) opened for STP and were fucking fantastic.

i'm sure a lot of things from teh grunge years are better than i remember, aside from the general proportion of contemporary junk that got shine from its proximity, but i have trouble hearing any of it. i listen to nirvana and soundgarden and that's it, of the radio stars. i feel confident that there is nothing wrong with pearl jam and they are a perfectly fine band which i loved back when (eddie v snl "K" tribute to kurdt <3) but i… don't ever want to hear them again.

maybe this is how people who were 70s-80s zeppelin fans feel.

Local H was instrumental in teaching the word "copacetic" to 14 year old dorks in gym class

STP and Nirvana are probably the only ones out of those bands that I regularly revisit, which is pretty funny

one of my best friends in school was so dumm he carved kurt's name into his leg with a knife after kurt died -

he was a bigger grunge fan than any of us maybe (if such things can be measured).

later in life he worked for a while in commercial radio, must have been his dream job at the time. caught up with him on facebork in recent years and he is still a 100% pearl jam superfan.

isn't some dude a Pearl Jam fan?

― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, December 7, 2015 1:37 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm not in the Ten Club or anything but yeah i love em

i saw STP live in 2008, right after Weiland came back from Velvet Revolver, and he sounded really good and was on point, but i remember him coming off really strange and nonsensical every time he talked to the crowd between songs. i think he may have just had an odd sense of humor.

I think you all need to read this.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207

sounds about right. he was truly a mess. the death of an addict can often be a weird mix of grief and relief. i feel bad for anyone who has to deal with that for so long. i don't know if anyone is really gonna glorify his death too much? he was kind of a poster child for the benefits of staying sober. if anything he made it longer than a lot of people probably ever thought he would.

in that howard stern interview he says that he's clean but that he drinks. it's an old interview. but in a lot of later pictures/live footage he definitely looks like a drunk. i mean his face has that hardcore drunk look. and he talked like it too. also in the stern interview he says that he's sick of touring but he has to tour to make money to pay for everything. kinda the worst thing you can do when you're sick. be out there on the road forever. he needed a very long hospital stay.

yeah...the guy sold like TWENTY MILLION ALBUMS but i can't imagine there was much responsible money management in his life.

the letter is pretty hard to read but i'm glad they said it and didn't sugarcoat it. the sentence that briefly imagines him at home, barbecuing with his kids instead of dying along in a tourbus is just heartbreaking. having kids can really summon the best from you as a person, and it's so sad to think about addiction just completely canceling that out and not giving him a chance to be a dad.

on stern he said he needed to make $60,000 a month on the road to pay his bills.

i guess he was either lucky or unlucky enough to have the money to keep going as long as he did.

I wasn't even 10 when STP were on their peak (1993/1994?) and I wasn't really exposed to any of their music until the 'Sour Girl' single came along. It was also the only song I ever knew about them and based on that track alone I thought they were some sort of psychedelic band, not a grunge one. It reminded me of the first Porno for Pyros album and the first Smashing Pumpkins album (why did I knew about these albums and I had never heard of stone temple pilots? I don't know.) and made a mental note about hearing more songs from them which I never did.

yeah I was young enough where "sour girl" was the first time I recognized stp as stp

I was also deep into nu metal so I loved "no way out"

"Sour Girl" was the big STP single for me too, everything else was just glimpses of the garish older videos

Mary Weiland's piece was fucking brutal.

Relistening to all this stuff. Forgot that they jacked Lush for Big Bang Baby. Going to go listen to Lush now instead.

― how's life, Monday, December 7, 2015 6:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As someone who's never listened to Lush, what Lush song sounds like it? Because if there are more songs that sound like Big Bang Baby in the world, I want to hear them.

There's a piece in "Big Bang Baby" that cops from the chorus of Lush's "For Love," obliquely.

They are not the same vibe really, but I've cued these youtubes up to the salient parts:

https://youtu.be/G0gAxuvo5rc?t=1m40s
https://youtu.be/iYF7VFvzWGo?t=46s

There's a piece in "Big Bang Baby" that cops from the chorus of Lush's "For Love," obliquely.

Also, "Jumping Jack Flash"

No shit, really?

rufus - who is in the 8th grade - just told me that his teacher brought up pearl jam one day and asked the class - 18 kids - if they knew who pearl jam was and rufus was the only one who raised his hand.

which i guess makes sense.

played a show the other night and my friend's band opened their set with "Interstate Love Song," really brought a smile to my face

rufus - who is in the 8th grade - just told me that his teacher brought up pearl jam one day and asked the class - 18 kids - if they knew who pearl jam was and rufus was the only one who raised his hand.

This reminds me of when I was in 4th grade in 1980 and our teacher was super-upset about John Lennon being shot and none of us knew who he was and my memory is that this made her all the more stricken, like she was all alone with the news

aww, poor teacher.

i was 12 when lennon died. i remember being sad. and i remember going to a department store with my mom and in the electronics department all the televisions had john lennon news on them. just rows and rows of crying fans and distraught people being interviewed. that was media saturation before the internet.

Stuff like that makes me feel kind of glad for our level of jadedness.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/12/scott-weiland-died-from-an-accidental-drug-overdose-according-to-medical-examiner/

imagine Kurt accidentally overdosing on cough syrup and ambien in his van on the way home from a solo gig at trans pecos

I was also 12 when Lennon died. We asked our history teacher (probably in her late 50s or early 60s) to hold a minute of silence, and she didn't understand what we were talking about.

very sad for scott. saw them several times in the 90s and wish i could have figured out his bowie/glam lineage as a teenager. was it discussed in music press back then?

yeah, it became a pretty overt talking point by the time of Tiny Music.

Damn. Not exactly an uncommon party cocktail there.

dumb question but can someone explain that combination to me?

i dont really understand the ethanol, mainly

That's just booze, right?

Looked like a night of alcohol, ecstasy, and coke, but who knows to what extent. Also given his age and other health issues, yeah, that would probably be kinda risky.

oh i didnt know ppl drank it for kicks

i thought that was like hard times desperation like getting drunk on mouthwash

No, I'm sure he was just drinking booze, they just decided to use whatever toxicology language. Ethanol here basically means alcohol.

ohhhh ok duh

thank you!!

Seems like a lot of people who get into Heroin and kick it but still want to party do everything else they can to an absurd degree. It's ugly.

good god, "Trippin on a Hole in a Paper Heart" is an incredible fucking song.

i'm finally getting around to my own little retrospective and Big Bang Baby is really rocking me, that soaring bridge (second chorus?) w/ "take it away boys", TEARS i tell ya