The Eagles--C or D?

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What do you guys think of The Eagles?
Consider Hotel California, One of These Nights and Hell Freezes Over.

I think they're brilliant.

Dante-Cubed (Sean3), Saturday, 22 November 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

Consider Hotel California, One of These Nights and Hell Freezes Over.

Wait, are you trying to defend them or not?! I'm confused.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 November 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

I'm saying how great they are. Most call them sissy rock but some of that stuff is real hard rock, but it's nice.

Dante-Cubed (Sean3), Saturday, 22 November 2003 02:58 (twenty years ago) link

I like some of their earlier songs (pre-Hotel California), but they aren't anything I'd jump up and down about. They are much-hated around here.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

Which should become obvious quickly, unless people are bored of bashing them.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

The older and deader the individual band members get, the more their coked-out world will seem like strange fantasy. Not necessarily a bad thing but I think I'd rather listen to Journey, they airbrush better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, Ned, are you saying that the Eagles are too raw for you?

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

Did the Eagles ever take flight to fight aliens in video games? No they did not. They are too fleshy and earthbound.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

Epitome of overblown, self-important drudgery

Michael Patrick Brady (Michael Patrick Brady), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:43 (twenty years ago) link

I think they deserve to be dragged from a behind a fast moving truck down a bumpy, unpaved country road.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:46 (twenty years ago) link

I think they deserve to be played their own records on repeat forever. That'll learn 'em.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:58 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, this is the easiest one I've ever seen.


D

David Allen, Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

i'll refer to the scene in the Big Lewbowski, where "The Dude" catches a ride from an Eagle-Afro-Centric cab driver.

darth nader, Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

95 percent dud, 5 percent classic, which is to say that every once in a while, maybe once every two albums, they popped out a masterpiece. e.g. "new kid in town."

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:42 (twenty years ago) link

"Come on, man. I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!"

- The Big Lebowski

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 22 November 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

Say something charitable about the Eagles.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 22 November 2003 05:49 (twenty years ago) link

"Those Shoes" & "Desperado"* = C
aforementioned 95% = D

*Terry Funk represent

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 22 November 2003 05:52 (twenty years ago) link

nate, when you say 95% of the Eagles output is dud, am I to assume you've listened to all of their records?

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 22 November 2003 05:53 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, I just thought I'd ask.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 22 November 2003 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

Well, 95% of the songs that are on the Greatest Hits album and/or perpetual rotation on Classic Rock Purgatory Radio are duds, so I'm going by that. ("If them's their Grebtest Hits, OMG their misses must be awful awful awful!")

Life is too short to listen to all eleventy-dozen albums they have out. It's also too short to actually look up how many albums they have.

(PS please don't go all ddrake)
(PS #2 this is probably a situation of "familiarity breeds contempt" more than anything)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:04 (twenty years ago) link

Besides, fact checking cuz was the first to say 95%=dud! And with a name like that I feel safe in agreeing!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:05 (twenty years ago) link

nah, i'm not trying to pick on you or anything! It's just, man, if there is one I despise it's knee-jerk attitudes. Feel free to call the Eagles the worst pile of shit you've heard if you want. I just wish folks could preface statements like that with "What I've heard" or "I've heard a few songs". I don't know. Doesn't seem like it's too much trouble to be honest or whatever.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:12 (twenty years ago) link

I've heard all their albums. My since-estranged brother-in-law played them all religiously. I grew up hearing them in the house. I hated them then. I hate them now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:20 (twenty years ago) link

I don't care for the Eagles, but I know people who swear by them for whatever reason.

James

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:23 (twenty years ago) link

Cool, good! And again, I'm definitely not saying anyone has to hear all the albums to have an opinion! I just don't see why disapproval can't be stated as "Everything I've heard is terrible", or "When they come on the radio, it makes me retch". I'm all for it! I just don't like sweeping statements like "95% of them is dud" if someone hasn't actually listened to 100% of the material. And I'm certainly not a big Eagles fan. I've only heard two of their proper albums all the way through, myself. It's the discourse that bugs me. Oh well, i'm sure i'm taking everything too seriously as usual. I'm going to go put on Deep Purple In Rock really loud.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:26 (twenty years ago) link

I was gonna get mopey and defensive but then In Rock was brought up and now I'm all "SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED KING!"

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:33 (twenty years ago) link

That's `cos Deep Purple fuckin' ROCKED!, quite unlike the Eagles

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 06:33 (twenty years ago) link

God, I was just telling my friend tonight how much I hate the Eagles. Oh man do I hate them. Lots. Their music makes me ill. I hate all of them and all of their evil works.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Saturday, 22 November 2003 10:11 (twenty years ago) link

haha wow and i thought *i* hated em!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 22 November 2003 10:20 (twenty years ago) link

Some of their middle eights weren't bad.

Schwingung (Damian), Saturday, 22 November 2003 10:24 (twenty years ago) link

As James Slone pointed out, you can't argue with El Duderino. (I'm not into the brevity thing)

Moston (Moston), Saturday, 22 November 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

I just don't like sweeping statements like "95% of them is dud" if someone hasn't actually listened to 100% of the material.

i haven't heard 100 percent of the material but i've heard almost all of it, thanks to older siblings and other bad influences. i've heard several albums all the way through repeatedly -- enough, i believe, to extrapolate an accurate percentage of classics and duds over the entire population of eagles songs, using my highly refined sampling methods. so what i really meant to say was "95 percent dud, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent."

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 22 November 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

"One of these Nights" is amazing. I like them about as much as Steely Dan or Roxy Music, these days. Their misogyny is just so loutish and relentless, it's kind of fascinating, like the 60's punk or delta blues attitude (I wouldn't be such a fucking loser if it weren't for all these devilish women trying to get me) adapted for the cocaine age. I used to hate them, but now I turn it up everytime one of their songs comes on the radio. Their guitar solos are incredible. They're like the Strokes -- they represent themselves well.

Kris (aqueduct), Saturday, 22 November 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

"Desperado" is definitely classic. One of the lost classics, and too bad that "Hotel California" gets all the attention when "Desperado" is the real gem.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 22 November 2003 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

Another thing that interests me about The Eagles.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 November 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

The answer to the question "so what's so bad about cocaine?"

Marcos Lopez, Saturday, 22 November 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Alex wouldn't know good music because the poor bastard lives in New York. I almost feel sorry for him.

Dante-Cubed (Sean3), Saturday, 22 November 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

I don't like them mostly because they seem like smug jerks, but so do Steely Dan, who I love (although SD come off smarter, its true). They both were tuneful and studio pefectionists as well. I guess I could enjoy isolated Eagles songs on the radio, but could never warm to them enough to enjoy a full album. I think it's just the personalities that rub me the wrong way (hard). Why should this matter though? In the case of the Strokes I don't even care who's making the music. In any case I don't care enough to really give it any more thought.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

God knows, there are a lot of songs out there that I don't much care for. But "Hotel California" is far and away my least favorite of those. It gives me tremors. My own current personal Hell is that I'm working in a place that plays classic rock radio exclusively, so I get to hear that song every weekday, sometimes twice. I can now see how people are driven to shoot their co-workers.

Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

nine years pass...

heard a story last week from a man who used to work at a bank in Beverley Hills in the 70s. One afternoon the Eagles showed up together and said "We want to take out $100,000 in cash. No questions." When this clerk told them they didn't actually have the money in the bank -- that they never have that much on hand -- the Eagles repeated that they had money in this bank and they were entitled to it. Other banks were called and the money was eventually pulled together so they could leave with the money.

Cunga, Friday, 17 May 2013 06:33 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx6qPIC6izM

Cunga, Friday, 17 May 2013 06:33 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/wJ6EbjX.jpg

calstars, Sunday, 22 November 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link

felder/walsh

calstars, Sunday, 22 November 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link

Detailed breakdown of the Eagles gear

https://reverb.com/blog/the-gear-of-the-eagles?_aid=fb

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 November 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link

In recent times, he’s been using a Boss Chorus Ensemble to emulate the Leslie effect.

bad look, don

brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link

oh wait, he's using an original from the 70s and apparently the originals are excellent

brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link

Well, yeah.

Boz Scaggs was Adele back in 1976 (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 29 November 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link

eight months pass...

My boss just asked me if I knew who Don Henley was.

I said: "well, yeah"

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 22 August 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

lol

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 22 August 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link

I can hear him asking the question the way Don Henley would too.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 August 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link

Henley's going to be the first musical act to play at a big new theater in the burbs near me. This is probably boilerplate Ticketmaster stuff (Hello, Irving...), but given our Donster's attitudes towards his audiences, I wouldn't be surprised if this notice on the ticket page came from him:

Please Note: Children ages 2 & up must have a ticket

DON: While I think it's great that new generations are discovering my music at increasingly early ages, I think it's only fair that toddlers should be treated as equally as their parents: $80-$250 a seat that you sit in--or stay home, Jack.

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link

Well, yeah

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 22 August 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link

New kid in town? I don't wan't hear it - Pay Me!

salthigh, Monday, 22 August 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

MG: Could you see yourself in a situation where those songs are performed again, whether it’s you and Timothy B. Schmit and Joe Walsh working with Jackson Browne on a one-off like you did at the Grammys, or something else?

DH: (Pauses) At some point in the future, we might work our way around to that. You know, Glenn has a son who can sing and play quite well. And one of the only things that would make sense to me is if it were his son. With Jackson, of course, we could do Take It Easy and a couple other things, but the only way I would consider any kind of reunion, I think, would be with Glenn’s son, Deacon.

http://montrealgazette.com/entertainment/music/qa-don-henley-on-growing-up-in-cass-county-eagles-and-coping-with-the-loss-of-glenn-frey

salthigh, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link

Did Glenn Frey name one of his boys after a Steely Dan song?

pplains, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link

I see everything you did, baby.

Edd Hurt, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link

Taking sides: Jason Bonham vs Deacon Frey

erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link

Remember that dude from the Real World who's parents just straight up named him Yes? Poor guy.

erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link

Did Glenn Frey name one of his boys after a Steely Dan song?

That, or he really really liked the bygone Sherman Hemsley sitcom "Amen", wherein the man played a character named "Deacon (Ernest) Frye".

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link

learn to work the missionary
I cop just what I feel

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link

Turned up the Dan
Glenn Frey, he was listening

Edd Hurt, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link

Classic Henley move: asking the reporter if he's heard of Thomas Wolfe and The Last Picture Show.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link

I hate to admit this, but this is the most human he's been in...well, I won't speculate. So human that I'm not terribly bothered by the lese majeste here:

You just don’t do what they did — without getting permission, at least. And I know that young people don’t understand that, because they grew up in the Internet era where everything is interactive and you can tamper with anything, change anything. They grew up in the age of sampling where you think you can just take a piece of something else. I didn’t grow up in that era. I grew up in the era where people’s work belonged to them. And you simply don’t tamper with it. And again, I could cite you chapter and verse of copyright law, but that’s boring stuff.

But Frank Ocean’s lawyers tried to explain it to him, because they knew he was gonna get sued. They knew what he had done wasn’t right. And he was just young and arrogant and he couldn’t understand why we were not happy — that he took the track to Hotel California and wrote his own song over it. (Laughs)

But at the same time, I think the idea of homage and the idea of doing something in a certain style is fine. But you can’t take the work itself that you’re paying homage to and layer your own stuff on top of it. You have to start from scratch. I think the legal decision in the (Blurred Lines) Marvin Gaye / Pharrell Williams case, I think that was a really bad decision. I don’t think that was plagiarism. I think that was simply influence. So there’s a fine line. It’s a very grey area of law and of ethics.

I did like this:

You just don’t do what they did — without getting permission, at least. And I know that young people don’t understand that, because they grew up in the Internet era where everything is interactive and you can tamper with anything, change anything. They grew up in the age of sampling where you think you can just take a piece of something else. I didn’t grow up in that era. I grew up in the era where people’s work belonged to them. And you simply don’t tamper with it. And again, I could cite you chapter and verse of copyright law, but that’s boring stuff.

But Frank Ocean’s lawyers tried to explain it to him, because they knew he was gonna get sued. They knew what he had done wasn’t right. And he was just young and arrogant and he couldn’t understand why we were not happy — that he took the track to Hotel California and wrote his own song over it. (Laughs)

But at the same time, I think the idea of homage and the idea of doing something in a certain style is fine. But you can’t take the work itself that you’re paying homage to and layer your own stuff on top of it. You have to start from scratch. I think the legal decision in the (Blurred Lines) Marvin Gaye / Pharrell Williams case, I think that was a really bad decision. I don’t think that was plagiarism. I think that was simply influence. So there’s a fine line. It’s a very grey area of law and of ethics.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link

lol oops:

I mean, they wrote some songs, very poorly — they were not very good songwriters — and they put out an album, and the only song that people would want to hear when they did a concert was Boys of Summer. And the lead singer apparently got so angry about it that he had a T-shirt made that said “Who the f— is Don Henley?”, or “Who the hell is Don Henley?” or something like that. And he would apparently wear that on stage (laughs) … and I thought that was really childish. But it was funny at the same time, because it was a clear message to them that they needed to work on their craftsmanship.

about the Ataris.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link

DON:I still work out like a fiend. Just before I picked up the phone with you, I worked out with a trainer for an hour and a half, and I’m sitting here soaking wet.

GLENN: I tell ya, it's a long way from when our workout lasted that long, and our partners where still soaking wet!

DON: Well, yeah.

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 September 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link

I get that the Frank Ocean thing is way more egregious than looping a drum pattern, but did Henley ever have anything to say about the Beastie Boys sampling "Those Shoes" for the song "High Plains Drifter"?

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 22 September 2016 02:13 (seven years ago) link

What about that Haim song.

pplains, Thursday, 22 September 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link

Paul's Boutique samples were all cleared fyi. It was cheaper back then, pre-biz and de la lawsuits.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 02:29 (seven years ago) link

XP They thought Haim were hot, so it slid.

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 September 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link

You think I'm gonna fall for that last part, don't you?

pplains, Thursday, 22 September 2016 03:15 (seven years ago) link

Did Haim actually sample anything?

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 September 2016 07:18 (seven years ago) link


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