Oasis - Classic or Dud?

I got as far as the bus stop when I realised that I had two album 1's.

Went back got an exchange. There that got yer.

Oh well.

I just think they were in the right place at the right time.

Gold or beans? Definitely beans.

Also, in what sense, exactly, were they "indie"?? Certainly not in the label sense. And not in the music sense either, near as I can tell. I mean, they were a vaguely glammy guitar-pop band. Period - about as "indie" as the Black Crowes. And about as close to being the Beatles as the Crowes were to being the Stones, too. (So I could ask how they were "obnoxious," as well, but then again, I only listened to the music and never read the interviews, which might explain it.)

Steepest decline: Lauren Hill, Tricky, Prince or Stone Roses?

And "Wonderwall" really is one of their worst songs I've never understood why it was their "breakthrough hit" in the US - certainly it was the only thing I ever heard on the radio. "Don't Look Back in Anger" was soooo much better.

I've always noticed this prob. on ILM between the Brits and Americans...it's like America has this very defined idea of "indie" (usually a record label thing) and in England it's like....4 Guys....Guitar music....not heavy metal or mohawk-type straight up punk....It's Indie!

Then again, if it is strictly about record labels, then Depeche Mode and New Order were "indie" bands.

So are Third Eye Blind and Smashmouth indie too, then? (I forget if they had four guys, but they definitely fit the rest of your definition.)(I mean, it's taken me a while to understand the whole "indie is kind of music" rather than "indie is something on an indie label" line, but even the "kind of music" that people usually refer to as indie doesn't usually include plain old mainstream rock bands, right?) (Unless they're, I dunno, My Morning Jacket. Or the Drive By Truckers. Or the Kings of Leon. And so on. But that's NOW; back in the '90s indie kids HATED mainstream rock, I always thought.)

Well, sorta. The way it actually worked is that the band signed to Sony worldwide and *then* were licensed back to Creation.

LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL: Indie and all its subgenres (indie-rock, indie-dance, etc.) are NOT styles of music. They're a description of what commercial demographic you're marketing your records to, as well as if the companies that produce the records are owned by the five "majors" currently in existence. There's no such thing as indie in the musical sense, and that's why ILM has such a hard time describing indie: because it doesn't exist!

Yes you should. ;-) The first formal Sony/Creation deal on a labelwide level was late 1992, when Sony bought in for just under half of Creation.

Neither classic nor dud. They got some good suff and some real rubbish.

it's blindingly shit, isn't it? really. i can't believe a band this clodhopping is not just allowed to exist but is actually still lauded in some quarters.

there was a moderately amusing piss-take on idolator or the quietus or something the other day, but i can't be arsed looking again.

According to this, the designer responsible also did the covers for XTRMNTR and Broadcast's Ha Ha Sound, both of which I liked. That is truly dire though.

That really looks like a Pollard collage for one of his umpteen side projects.

One of the worst covers I've seen in my life.

Great new song/video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K09GFqeT_5g

lolz

first 20 seconds are good, then some fat yank midget fucks it up stupid yanks

I saw Oasis live tonight. A friend who is a much bigger fan than I am decided graciously to take me. I'd like to share my impressions, as someone who hasn't bought an album of them since um...well, Heathen Chemistry, which I don't remember jack shit about. And I have never seen them live, either, though I own the "...There & Then" VHS and remember quite enjoying it for awhile.

Okay well first of all, on the positive side, I thought Liam was dressed impeccably. He had a white scarf that sorta led 3/4 of the way down his chest over a black shirt and I thought that was fantastic. Black leather jacket, just down to the waist, nothing too fancy. Jeans, with chains hanging out the back pockets. Totally Paul Weller hair (or I dunno, Beatles hair, I couldn't really quite describe it...a bit more over the top than Paul Weller hair I think). I just thought it was bloody great men's fashion. Top gear or whatever you're supposed to call it in Brit-speak.

Other positive sides: even if they didn't do the song I most wanted to hear ("Roll With It") they did do "Champagne Supernova" which I especially loved. And one of their new songs (of about three they played) did sound really cool and psychedelic and they had the visuals to prove it. I don't know what song it was (my friend says the album isn't out yet) but I'd like to hear it again.

On the negative sides: the song they announced as their new single seemed dark and uninteresting to me. Couldn't figure out where they were going with that at all. Fuck me if I know the name of it. Also, I didn't find their song choices from the past to be particularly wise. "The Masterplan" by Noel acoustic? Um...I can think of about 5 other songs I'd like to hear him do acoustic. "Slide Away"? Yawn. Yeah "Supersonic" was okay I guess...

I dunno. It's Oasis, what do you expect, right? I still marveled at the sight of good ol' Andy Bell from Ride on bass. My friend said he thought they still had Zak Starkey on drums, but it turned out not to be true.

It does get a bit tiring the way they appropriate other people's songs for their own. The drumming for one of them (I thought it might be one of the new ones but I'm not sure) sounds exactly like the start of "Tomorrow Never Knows". And what's up with fucking "Cigarettes & Alcohol" ripping off T-Rex? But you know, it's Oasis, what do you expect? I don't think they're a BAD band, but you do have to cherry pick with them.

Oh wait! One more thing I wanted to mention was I was surprised the venue was packed, it was a pretty big place. I wouldn't have expected that many people (in America, or Seattle) to show up. It was quite odd. I mean, Oasis don't really have much of a following in America now. I don't know what it's like in the UK...

They still have a pretty large and loyal following over here, though I don't know who all these people are. Probably Northerners.

They seem to have as rabid a fanbase as Michael Jackson, judging by the Teletext letters page.

Oh the Teletext letters page. I used to love that.

Belouis Some is NOT a one-hit wonder he is a HUNK and will be around long after manky Owen Paul has shot his bolt!
Jenny, The Wirral

They're still brilliant, Nick.

Bimble - drummer now is Chris Sharrock ex The Icicle Works, The La's and Robbie Williams!

Oh really? Wow! That's neato.

Oasis are not at all impressive as a rock and roll band. They lack the drive of rock'n'roll, plus Noel Gallagher sucks as a guitar player. They cannot really do much more than turn the guitar amps up to 11, and that just isn't enough. Also means they are really bad live.

They are an excellent pop band though. Because Noel Gallagher particularly back in the 90s used to be a fantastic pop songwriter. Thus, their pop albums ("Morning Glory", "Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants" are their best ones, while when trying to rock, as on "Heathen Chemistry" and even "Definitely Maybe", they failed somewhat more.

"Definitely Maybe" was OK, I mean, no album with such fantastic songs as "Supersonic", "Live Forever" or "Slide Away" could possibly be a bad album. But it is still overrated. "Morning Glory" is underrated though. It is fantastic, and it will remain fantastic, as a glorious classic pop album that helped kick some life into the good old melody again after years of the melody being terribly underrated as the most important element in music.

wasn't Ryan Adams on the bill at the Seattle concert too? I would be surprised if Oasis could have filled the place themselves, but then again they probably haven't been here since the 90s so maybe it was a long time coming for some people. I was on the list for it but backed out after I decided I just didn't care enough anymore...plus doesn't Liam sound like shit these days?

Yes! You are right about the Ryan Adams aspect of it. I'd forgotten that because we didn't go in the main part of the venue til after he quit (I kept thinking he sounded like U2 from outside, though strangely enough). Yes, that probably had a lot to do with it because on my way driving there I remember thinking "more folks will probably be there for Ryan than Oasis". But still there seemed to be a lot of enthusiasm for Oasis...a lot of kids younger than myself with Oasis T-shirts...it all seemed really odd to me, but then maybe they hold that stuff more precious than I might because when Oasis were in their most popular prime, these folks would have been less than 20 years old.

It's not true that they haven't been here since the 90's, though - my friend that I went with said he did see Oasis play here a couple of years ago but they were much further up the road in a smaller town (Everett) and he said there weren't many people there, which doesn't surprise me.

I don't think Liam sounded like shit, he did a fine, professional job. It all seemed a bit business-like, though. I had rather hoped Liam might say something to the crowd, but he didn't. Noel did at one point - he said "sounds funnily Australian, that" about some song he was doing that the crowd was singing along. I wasn't really sure what he meant by that but it seemed funny at the time.

I agree with Geir that Morning Glory was their highest point. I feel bad about saying that though because there was a lot of stuff on the Masterplan compilation that I particularly enjoyed. Strange that they didn't do "Live Forever" or "Acquiesce", though. Now that would have been real nice.

Also when Noel made the "Australian" remark, I wondered if he was commenting on the accent of the audience, for the general non-region specific American accent of Seattle folks is much closer to Australian accents in many ways than any Brit ones, I've always felt. I remember when I was in England someone thought I had an Irish accent, though, so I don't know what to think of that. :)

"Definitely Maybe" is a fucking great album, and sounds nothing like the bullshit that followed it.

overheard in the office just now:

"i love oasis."
"they're just a bunch of fucking brits, man, that get mad at each other."

fuckin love the man.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cMKwI6j-alg/SLVjawAgwOI/AAAAAAAAAM0/1jsKgDIsi8k/s400/omar-s.gif

I love 'em. Classic through and through. Not high-echelon classic like Beatles or Floyd, but second-echelon classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=211&v=rfNqyjZcleI

^ Oasis music video DVD commentary highlights, the best 10 minutes of my day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-s3o-sbxYs
James Fry: Sons of the Stage, Oasis & other supernovas - First photo shoot of Oasis !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjU3PilUkAAcUiA.jpg

Made me laugh.

Liam's bitter at the fact that without his brother he's managed to achieve less than fuck all, and Noel's apparently meant to be the lazy one!

not fair dude liam is the owner of a popular clothing line for twats

lol

Definitely Maybe > (What's The Story) Morning Glory? > The better songs on Be Here Now > SWEET FUCK ALL > everything else.

Everything else > Oasis

they should have stuck with richard fearless for the production on their last album.

omg this sky news inteview is like all time classic oasis bitching <3

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/best-bits-from-liam-gallaghers-supersonic-interview

#potato

The Q&A slowly descended into a farce

For reference and posterity, this thread should probably have links to these:

Your music's shite it keeps me Polling all night: OASIS (ILM artist poll 78) --- Voting open until Sunday August 21, 2016
POLL With It - OASIS (ILM artist poll #78) --- The results thread

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Dud.

What a catalog!.

I always thought "Stand by me" copped a bit from REO Speedwagon's "Take it on the run". I remember reading somewhere that the first album Noel bought was an REO Speedwagon album. "Take it on the run" is a far superior song obv

Swap "champagne supernova" with "d'you know what I mean?" and your list would be reasonably otm

i dreamt that stephen merchant of the ricky gervais show beat me to scoring some price reduced sea bass in tesco. and also that i gave liam and noel some cigarettes at an oasis reunion show in a theatre.

Liam fell out of a helicopter

So check this out I fell out the helicopter last night you couldn’t rite it all good who said RnR is dead Keith moon eat your drum skin out C’mon you know LG x pic.twitter.com/MSVR1C6EXk

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2021

legend

"If this guy plays "Blackbird" one more time I'm going to lose it..."

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so not gonna happen