― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 03:56 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
Anyway, Dodgy were nothing like The Smiths. Dodgy's main influences would rather be The Beatles, The Who and The Hollies. Particularly the latter, I would say.
And they were of course brilliant. Not "inventive" in any way (nobody needs to), but they wrote great songs, "Staying Out For The Summer" easily one of the best singles of the entire 90s. And "In a Room" has the best middle-8 EVER!
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago) link
fromThe Book Of Geir: Endless Melody
page 56
x-post
― Patrick Kinghorn, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago) link
Steve Mason of Gene is now a Lard-style comedy sidekick on Xfm's weekend breakfast show. He's actually pretty good at it, though it may be the glory of the host - Adam Longworth - rubbing off on him.
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago) link
defending the indefensible 4: ocean colour scene
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link
A bunch of nice guys, concentrating on music rather than image, and devoid of the arrogant image that would have made NME love them. Thus, NME chose to hate them instead.
Q, who have never cared that much about image and "the next big thing", and usually listened to the actual music instead, tended to give them quite good reviews. And the interesting thing is that even NME wouldn't come out too bad once they actually listened to the music....
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:20 (twenty years ago) link
If you listen to their music you can tell roughly what their songwriting went like:
1. Johnny Marr sitting on his own, composing a guitar riff and some chord sequences2. Morrissey sitting on his own, writing a "deep" and often quite meaningful lyric3. They meet, Johnny starts playing and, without ever having heard Marr's guitar theme before, Morrissey starts improvising a tune.
Subsequently, the song has no direction, no climax, just a bunch of mantras repeated over and over (sure, they may not have the kind lyrical mantras that there was recently an ILM thread dedicated to, but melodical mantras are very much present).
On "Strangeways Here We Come" they seemed to escape this songwriting process somewhat, coming up with tunes that worked better, that had a more obvious chorus, contrasting sections, and not just endless repetition. I thus find that one their best album. But they still never wrote a song (and remember, I am speaking of the melody not the lyrics) as good as "Olympian" nor "Sleep Well Tonight", both of which are absolutely brilliant examples of songwriting at its best.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:25 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:45 (twenty years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 05:04 (twenty years ago) link
― sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 06:53 (twenty years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:07 (twenty years ago) link
― grapeshine, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:16 (twenty years ago) link
I don't think songs have to have a strong structure all the time tho.
Gene were not the smiths. Their songs are obviously different. If you have structure / tune as their main criterion, gene win. But for being 'first'/original/changing 'music' then the Smiths do.
Dodgy = the hollies oh yes.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:17 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:28 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago) link
(I'm not 'punning' the prev post, just wondering...)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:33 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago) link
Most of their songs are considerably better though, and those of us who were heavily into Dodgy way before "Good Enough" would never see that stupid song as particularly representative of them (I remember loving "Good Enough" on my first 2-3 listens of "Free Peace Sweet", then I got sick of it and got other favourites)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
Being discouragingly shit was a bit of a handicap too.
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:42 (twenty years ago) link
Gene made a lot better melodies than The Smiths ever did.
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
Someone please feed me to the lions.
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
They were very boring, Dodgy.
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link
Ditto 'Glasto'
Dodgy were awful. Music for people who found Ned's Atomic Dustbin to be too outre.
― mmmmsalt (Graeme), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link
Arghableag.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link
Arghebleag is the new harglehack.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago) link
My favourite 'Hitchiker's Guide' character.
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
Circle Jerk Time Hooray!
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link
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Dodgy. of "For the Dead" and "Olympian" fame. have a blast, mr. hongro. -- Eisbär (llamasfu...) (webmail), February 4th, 2004. (link)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link
Anyway, back on topic... dodgy make me happy :) I only have Free Peace Sweet, but it's great, admittedly one or two less great songs on it, and over play of Good enough is easy to do, but In A Room is classic, jack the lad is cool... Maybe I like them cause I missed their famous time? Maybe I like them cause they're good... hmm...
I can;t help wondering what music people on here (yes I'm a random googler, but intend to hang around...) will agree is good?
The Beatles?Red Hot Chili Peppers?Dimmu Borgir?5ive? (I think thats how they 'spelt' it)Texas?
― Rohan Chadwick (thelevellers), Monday, 31 July 2006 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link
The "music" most people here tend to like is rap. Which explains very well why they don't like proper music like Dodgy.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link
rap = "music"
!!!
Googler=http://static.flickr.com/65/203319075_d1a88cc543_o.jpg
― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Geir Hongro
*Head explodes*
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link
In fact of the bands listed I only really like the Beatles... The Chilis are a bit over rated in my book...
― Rohan Chadwick (thelevellers), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Rohan Chadwick (oppresswome...), July 31st, 2006 6:59 PM. (thelevellers)
I think ILM will all agree that 5ive is/was awesome.
― danzig (danzig), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Good Enough is just vomit-inducing now, I'll freely admit that.
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link
feel the love, yo!
― Eisbaer, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link
lol that was within 6 days of joining, way to set out yr stall jaggapaws ;_;
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 07:59 (fifteen years ago) link
The irony of Geir's ire is that NME actually REALLY LIKED Dodgy - Free Peace Sweet got a 7 from Johnny Cigarettes, and the main push of the review was that, compared to most other artists it was a good record, but compared to the two previous Dodgy albums it was a pile of shit, because Dodgy at their best were better than the rest of the Britpop crowd. Which is pretty much true. The segues between tracks on Homegrown are ace. I should try Free Peace Sweet again but I can't imagine doing anything but hating it still.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Interludes, not segues.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:11 (fifteen years ago) link
You mean, Dodgy were good as long as nobody had heard of them?
Well, I still prefer "Free Peace Sweet" although "Homegrown" is an absolutely fantastic album that isn't far behind. And "Staying Out For The Summer" was their best single moment.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:19 (fifteen years ago) link
No, that's not what I said at all, Geir.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:22 (fifteen years ago) link
You prefer FPS because you've got mentalist gauges of what makes 'good music'.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:23 (fifteen years ago) link
All Dodgy albums fit into my definition of what makes good music anyway.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't heard Homegrown but FPS has a few half-decent interludes, the ones out of If You're Thinking Of Me, You've Gotta Look Up and (the track) Homegrown especially. Plenty of the (superior) second-half tracks are foreshadowed by ghostly 'previews'; I find it to be quite an endearing conceit.
One Of Those Rivers was a family favourite, still is. Sorry, I may struggle but deep down I cannot deny this album's part in my musical upbringing. If I hadn't seen ILM it wouldn't have occurred to me that this album is "terrible, one of the worst of the decade" even now; I don't listen to it much at all, but I'd still look at it fondly as a good if not revolutionary 90's pop record. Good Enough aside; that shit stinks. Note also that Good Enough and Trust In Time are also fairly crapulent; the lead single and the first two proper tracks kinda sabotage what is ACTUALLY on offer here.
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:30 (fifteen years ago) link
*In A Room and Trust In Time
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Homegrown is currently only £4.98 with 4 copies in stock at amazon.co.uk - Louis, buy one.
There is nothing on FPS that's even remotely as good as So Let Me Go Far, Making The Most Of or Grassman. Grassman will make you wet yourself Louis.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Is it a big 7-minute psychedelic blowout? :D
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:45 (fifteen years ago) link
In a room, yeah. (xpost dunno if *that*'s a big 7 min pb)
I guess I listen to "all hits" radio so little, that I don't mind the occasional "good enough", "staying out" etc, and maybe an album wouldn't be too painful.
I guess if they wanted to be held in high regard for many years after they packed it, they really shouldn't have called themselves Dodgy in the first place. Bit like "Cud" in that respect.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:45 (fifteen years ago) link
XP Well, the 7 minute description fits. Almost. :)
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:46 (fifteen years ago) link
More a soul-pop-60s-psychedelic blowout, but yeah, seven minutes. Epic closer. Choir. Guitar wigout.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Sounds good! I really like Nick's sometime appreciation for music most dismiss as crappy Britpop (see also Embrace); it makes my own weaknesses far more communal!
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I never liked OCS, dude.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, no kind of music is *all* crap.
(there, I said it!)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:00 (fifteen years ago) link
NICK WE WERE ALL 11 YRS OLD ONCE, and OCS didn't exist when you were 11 :P
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:04 (fifteen years ago) link
When I was 11 I liked Marillion.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:05 (fifteen years ago) link
= I'm a fuckload more prog than you.
when i was 8 or 9 i liked king crimson's "21st century schizoid man", talk talk's "spirit of eden" (Y RLY), all of the cure's early-mid period stuff, xtc's "nonsuch", pink floyd's "ummagumma live", and bjork's "isobel"
SO THERE
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:07 (fifteen years ago) link
WIWE IL um, Wizzard/beatles/radio pop.
You lot must have had older bros/parents that were 'into' music. Mine stopped at Sgt Pep.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:10 (fifteen years ago) link
This thread has convinced me - I'm going to rip Homegrown to this new-fangled iPod thing tonight, so I can listen to it for the first time in 12 years (or whatever). Seem to remember liking 'Making The Most Of'.
― Matthew H, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Older brothers for me; I nicked the Marillion tape out of JR's room, I think. Or maybe Jim's. I can't imagine it was Jim's though. He was into Mega City Four at the time. My parents have little to no interest in music, and my brothers moved out when I was about 10 or 11 or so, so their influence ended then, pretty much (1990).
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:23 (fifteen years ago) link
This is how Putin's Russia started.
― Free Peace Sweet!, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 11:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought the massed crowds of ILM would be excited by this news. (Shouldn't mock, it's for cheridee. So I'll let someone else do it instead.)
Friday 8th August Carling Academy Oxford The headline artist, recently reformed Dodgy, will be performing their hits which include, "Staying Out For The Summer", "Good Enough" and "If You're Thinking Of Me". Dodgy will be joined on the bill by local Brit Pop pioneers, The Candyskins who have reformed especially for this show. The Candyskins were last seen performing at the sell out "End Of An Era" show at the former Zodiac.Set to open the show are local new talent A Silent Film, followed by TCT Music favourite Frank Turner, who will be playing a special solo acoustic set. To ensure as higher donation as possible to Cancer Research, the promoters and their staff will be working on the event for free.
The headline artist, recently reformed Dodgy, will be performing their hits which include, "Staying Out For The Summer", "Good Enough" and "If You're Thinking Of Me". Dodgy will be joined on the bill by local Brit Pop pioneers, The Candyskins who have reformed especially for this show. The Candyskins were last seen performing at the sell out "End Of An Era" show at the former Zodiac.
Set to open the show are local new talent A Silent Film, followed by TCT Music favourite Frank Turner, who will be playing a special solo acoustic set.
To ensure as higher donation as possible to Cancer Research, the promoters and their staff will be working on the event for free.
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Bet no-one turns up for the first act, thinking it's just a silent film.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Bet no-one turns up for the second act, thinking it's a wretched Billy Bragg impersonator with a bag of plums in his mouth.
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Jokes bruv, cancer is serious biz
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
"so Let Me Go Far" was actually a good song, "In A Room" weren't bad either. "Good Enough" was horrible and sounded like the Rugrats theme tune.
― the next grozart, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Disappointed by lack of follow-up "Bet no-one turns up for the headline act" zing
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
New album coming out this year apparently, named 'Stand Right Up In A Cool Place'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UXd790sRUOc
― Turrican, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:49 (twelve years ago) link
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 16:49 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Is this an ILX first diss of Frank Turner? I'd never heard of him until last year but DJ Mencap had him nailed 4 years ago.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:54 (twelve years ago) link
still awsum summersong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSUuRZR-9hA
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 June 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
^I repeat
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 May 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link