This is the thread where we reminisce over not particularly good Evening Session bands from the late 90s

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Cay! Llama Farmers! Frigid Vinegar! Astrid! Darkstar! Bellatrix! Kent! Monk and Canatella! Hedrock Valley Beats!

And so on and so forth.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

Are you making these up, or has my memory just gone. 'Molly Halfhead'. 'BMX Bandits'. 'Ed Ball'. 'Oasis'.

NERQ (Enrique), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

We didn't have any of this fancy-dan "Zane Lowe" in our days.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

ed ball

you CANNOT diss the TIMES. they were fab. and because of that you can't diss ed ball (plus he is nicest grooviest person i've met so far).

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

Scary parallel universe alert!

Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

Dark Star were fucking great!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

i love how ILM is so anxious to get to the late '90s revival already! (i do love it!)

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

Can we diss records that happen to have the name 'Ed Ball' on the sleeve though?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

the times are fab.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

Tico, pourquoi?

NERQ (Enrique), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

i bought an 18 wheeler record on import once.

faux pas.

BUT PERFECT FOR CALUM'S FESTIVAL!!! second stage maybe???

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

Oslo!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

i own records by most of these bands. at least they weren't britpop

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

Ooooh, loved Cay. 'better than myself'. and Uresei Yatsura - LOVED 'Slain By Elf'... and Astrid had some great songs, aye.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

bellatrix were great and their blonde guitarist was prittypritty

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

Serum!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

(wasn't one of Serum a member of the Portugese royal family, or am I forgetting stuff badly?)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

Tiger!

Robert Moore (treble), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

a lot of these bands had one killer song - tiger's "race" is still a stunner after all this time.

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:27 (twenty years ago) link

The Merchant of Menace!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:27 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, what ESOJ said. And Cay were great - whatever happened to etc etc

Sgt. Rock
Mo-ho-bish-o-pi
Woodbine
Experimental Pop Band

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Wales was quite big for a while there..

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, but 18 Wheeler were great. OK, so everyone only remembers them for two reasons:

1) The band Alan McGee was going to see when he saw Oasis at King Tuts changing history forever, boo hiss.
2) The band introduced by Tony Blair as "Wheeler 18" at some Labour sponsored shindig.

Yes they were in awe of Teenage Fanclub, so what? Yes, they went 'baggy' about seven years late. Big deal. I loved 'em.

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

the Llama Farmers!
that's made my day that has.
who'd have thought i'd ever hear that name again.

18 Wheeler's Formanka album is wonderful.
their first one is rubbish, their last one is rubbish, but Formanka hit the nail on the head as far as Beach Boys-aping, grunge-lite, Evan Dando worshipping indie rock went.
and it's nice and short too.

kelly r, Friday, 20 February 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

Why limit it to the late 90s? The Mark Goodier years of the Evening Session weren't exactly wanting for not particularly good bands either!
I give you:
- Sensitize
- The Machine Gun Feedback
- The Sand Kings (a band so dire they sired bloody Babylon Zoo)

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Actually I'm quite fond of the first one. 'Suncrish' with Andy Bel's wife Idha is a classic. Some of the Wiliam Orbit remies of their dance opus (personally A&R-ed by hitmaker Alan McGee himself) weren't too bad reither. But when I think Evening Session, I think Thousand Yard Stare, The Cherrys, Scorpio Rising, Top, Midway Still, Tribute To Nothing... And Mark Goodier's jingle - "he's the man who's got the best music" - which he still plays (and still follows with 'Wake Up Boo') with "on Radio 1" replaced by "on Radio Twoooo".

laticsmon (laticsmon), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

can someone nuclear bomb this thread?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link

Wasn't David Keenan in 18 Wheeler at one point?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and I just wanted to say: TAMPASM

NickB (NickB), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

I still was bemused at picking up the first Telstar Ponies single and thinking, "Polite alt. country?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

I found the whole 'Evening Session' thing v.annoying and confusing, because 'session' on night time R1 had always meant something specific before that.

I love that Mark Goodier jingle.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nice to see some love for Uresei Yatsura...their first album is fantastic - "form your own lo-fi gang!

Skyscraper, Mint 400, Back To The Planet, Frank and Walters, Sultans Of Ping, Kerosene, Fretblanet...all these spell early 90's Evening Session to me!

billislord, Friday, 20 February 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

1/ "scorpio rising" aaargh

2/ julio "can someone nuclear bomb this thread?" OTFM haha

3/ "tampasm" what band could ever live up to a name like that?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Cay unfortunately split after being dropped by the big scary evil men and women at East/West records. Usual story, the people who signed them/nurtured them at EW move on, leaving lots of people saying what is this horrible rock stuff, we want one off UK Garage single deals, not this hairy nonsense.
If they had come around about a year ago Cay would have cleared up by now, pity.
I have fond memories of joining them on stage (with the band I was in a the time) at the Garage and doing an incredibly noisy version of one of their songs and scaring lots of kids with brown hair and wallet chains.

mzui, Friday, 20 February 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

David Keenan was indeed n the first line-up of 18 Wheeler. Left before the first album, I think, to form the allegedly Kiss-influenced Telstar Ponies.

now that he's back up in Glasgow, Keenan's got the Telstar Ponies going again. The one-off single he did on Geographic was absolutely wonderful and their gigs around the time were simply magical - Pentangle meets Mercury Rev.

laticsmon (laticsmon), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

Well he made a very good shop assistant when he worked at John Smith's - no, actually Stephen Pastel was much better. Any road up, best thing either of them have ever done.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

I still keep meaning to pick up 'Farewell, Farewell', thanks for the reminder!

NickB (NickB), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, bands I think I actually liked hearing on that radio show:

Scarfo
AC Acoustics
Warm Jets
Errr, that's it...

NickB (NickB), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

I know one of the guys out of Oslo. His previous band, Still Lives Talking, had a member who left to live in Oslo. However, Oslo were originally called Pedestrian, which is about as bad as a band name can get.


I liked Tiger. Molly Half Head were great, especially their song Barney.

What about Bennet - MY MUM HAS GONE TO ICELAND!

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

FRETBLANKET!!

i so own.

clive, the singer, guitarist, he works at border books now.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

The Senseless Things - "Andii in a Karmann" e.p.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

Fluffy. Minty.

(I was a 15-year-old boy in 1995)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

So, DJM, did you see Minty support Pulp at Cardiff Uni in '95? I've never seen an audience so bemused before or since.

Warm Jets had one good song, which I just ripped for an MP3 compilation the other day, the rest of the album was pants.

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

Are you people making these bandnames up?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

Rob - no, at Phoenix 96 - I was living in Cornwall at the time. The singer was completely naked and in a kind of cage of bendy tubes. I thought they were good, they probably weren't.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

Minty were great as well!! "My mind is like a plastic bag"!!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

The amount of these people I not only liked but own records by... crumbs. Astrid, Bennet, Mo-Ho-Bish-O-Pi, Murry The Hump (Songs Of Ignorance is super-classic), Tiger, Woodbine (favourite album ever at one point), Derrero, AN-GEL-IC-A...

I wonder if I'm the only person who owns Ooberman's second album but not their first. I'll have to go a-hunting for it next time I forget I have no money.

Oslo got on Later With Jools Holland once. I remember watching it and thinking they were abysmal.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

Well he made a very good shop assistant when he worked at John Smith's

My sister used to work part time there with the guy from 18 Wheeler and moody SP, I think, c.1993.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 20 February 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

Puressence, anybody remember them?

mzui, Friday, 20 February 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

Some guy upthread said: jamie from scarfo is now called 'hotel' and is in 'the kills'

I had no idea about that. "Alkaline" was a good song I think. Never been much of a Kills fan though.

NickB, Monday, 6 October 2008 11:56 (fifteen years ago) link

tiger had one great song, if i remember rightly, and a lot of mediocre ones. was "shining in the wood" the good one or not? am i going to look through my CDs? er, no.

what a shit time to be trying to carve a niche as a music hack: 1996. no wonder i embraced subbing.

right, we all start when the drum machine starts, lads (grimly fiendish), Monday, 6 October 2008 12:06 (fifteen years ago) link

'race' was the good tiger song

jonty alouette (electricsound), Monday, 6 October 2008 12:10 (fifteen years ago) link

yes. it was. thank you!

right, we all start when the drum machine starts, lads (grimly fiendish), Monday, 6 October 2008 12:10 (fifteen years ago) link

the time is ripe for a tiger revival

― jonty alouette (electricsound), Monday, 6 October 2008 12:37

^^^this. I still love 'em, still play We Are Puppets and Rosaria frequently at home and out, and I'd love it if they showed up at the 100 Club or somewhere for a one-off. Maybe supported by The Warm Jets.

what a shit time to be trying to carve a niche as a music hack: 1996. no wonder i embraced subbing.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHA.

(ahem)

CharlieNo4, Monday, 6 October 2008 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Oh god, Tiger.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

All I remember really was the haircuts mind you

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I just remembered about the band Ether, who were only vaguely talented but kind of catchy circa 1998. I wonder what eventually happens to these poor people?

village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 28 June 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

british people cared about Molly Halfhead?! even american dudes who taped "120 minutes" every night wouldn't know who the fuck she is. i honestly can't find the words to describe how small of a "splash" they made in america. like spin never even reviewed one of their records.

how much can a koala ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (sic), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

jo jo zeppelin (electricsound), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Did Spin ever review Sp!n and were Sp!n ever on the Evening Session?

everything, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's a summer tune from the Evening Sesh days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-qxJi5W4i8

everything, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

sp!n were pre-evening session iirc

jo jo zeppelin (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Is that Mermaid horror by a proper real band who were trying to have a career?

rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

In a previous life, ILB commented on how the solitary saving grace of Kittie’s entire, pig-awful, career was the variety of gratuitous sexually violent fan fiction that’s out there on the internet about them. Have you ever wondered how Avril Lavigne would cope with a ruptured anus if she was kidnapped by Kittie, sleep-deprived, and then fed nothing but dog faeces for a week? Well, do yourself some googling and fap like crazy. Then shoot yourself.

never change, dude

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link

The Kustom Built! I thought they were the bees knees at the time.

cajunsunday, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think canberra and wollongong have toilet circuits tbqh

head gettin' bad boys (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link

if you're able to play multiple venues in Canberra OR Wollongong on a single tour, let alone regularly, you are winning at music

failed zing, stopped reading there

oh sh!t a ¯\⎝⏠___⏠⎠/¯ (sic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pquBVIN_6Jk

ledge, Friday, 17 August 2012 10:20 (eleven years ago) link

i have that album :(

like a sunrise (electricsound), Friday, 17 August 2012 10:36 (eleven years ago) link

Is it any good? The above tune is a CHOON imo but I never heard anything else - which makes me doubt that anything else was worth hearing.

ledge, Friday, 17 August 2012 10:40 (eleven years ago) link

P sure every one of these bands has appeared on a mix tape made for me by my now-husband, including 86'd! Think I got the album after that, can't remember anything of the top of my head except Shelly's on the telephone

kinder, Friday, 17 August 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link

I had the Tiger album too. This is kind of weird because in them days I had no money for albums so only actually bought a few a year when I had xmas and birthday money and my priorities were PULP and SUEDE. Probably it was in the bargain bucket :(

kinder, Friday, 17 August 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link

subcircus album is substandard tbh but bits are alright

tiger debut is great imo. underrated.

like a sunrise (electricsound), Friday, 17 August 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

You have to check out Bellatrix's first album, or even the earlier Icelandic releases. Beat "It's all true" by a thousand miles.

opecimmac, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

Subcircus's first album was a classic example of how to ruin a bunch of decent songs through over-production. Listen to the demos/live tracks on the 86'd single, and you might think, "Wow, this band had something going for them." Then you compare them to the finished album versions and it's like "...Oh." Such a disappointment.

Just to prove a point, here's the studio version of "Gravity Girl & Analogue", followed by the live version. Compare and contrast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=potZ8bF6x64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YK5D8EZQ0M

Pheeel, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

You have to check out Bellatrix's first album, or even the earlier Icelandic releases. Beat "It's all true" by a thousand miles.

i only know "g" and "stranger tales" of their earlier stuff. "g" is great, probably my favourite thing of theirs, but the previous album is shite imo

electricsound, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

i only know "g" and "stranger tales" of their earlier stuff. "g" is great, probably my favourite thing of theirs, but the previous album is shite imo

Yes it's Stranger Tales. Haven't got a chance to hold "g" yet. It's not a surprise that people don't like that one. I mean, there were quite a few amateurish moments, and the album as a whole is pretty raw/unpolished in every aspect.

opecimmac, Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

Btw I have heard it rumoured that Ultrasound are to return

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 08:27 (eleven years ago) link

quite the rumour

flaccid archives (electricsound), Thursday, 14 February 2013 08:30 (eleven years ago) link

I was going to find this thread and bump it myself after I got an email this morning from Pledgemusic telling me about prospective releases by Senser and Spacehog.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link

David Keenan was a founding member of 18 Wheeler.

OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link

Which will teach me to read through entire threads before sharing nuggets like that.

OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link

Need to check one day to see if 'We Are Puppets' is still on the Nice 'n' Sleazy jukebox

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:39 (eleven years ago) link

This must be the least worthwhile purchase ever: http://www.amazon.fr/18-Wheeler-Band-ensemble-Creation/dp/6131840806/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360845662&sr=8-1

OG requiem head (Call the Cops), Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:41 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

This is the most amazing thread ever. I am so sad to have missed it the first time around. Let me know if anyone wants to revisit. Some choice bands named above...

jeremypopscene, Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

Does Lamacq play this stuff on 6music? I heard that he claimed someone requested Cud recently. Who on earth would request Cud?

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 15 March 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

I probably wouldn't request it but i don't skip it when it comes up in shuffle

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link

Would it not be the OG Evening Session stuff, rather than the late 90s era?

well yeah, Cud

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link

Cud released a big box of BBC Sessions not long ago. Fun stuff!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link

dunno if there's a thread on the OG evening session and i sure as hell wasnt starting one

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 15 March 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link

Cud are awesome. Bibi Couldn't See, Under my Hat, Push and Shove, Eau Water...tons of great songs.

everything, Monday, 16 March 2015 00:50 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BK2KwQq6VY

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 February 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link

I just listened to their LP! Solid tunes though his voice can be grating. Went on to lead Fixed Stars and Pony Club.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 24 February 2017 00:51 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Steve-Lamacq-Alternatives-Various-Artists/dp/B07KW9XRD1/

Oh dear lord.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2019 10:20 (five years ago) link

Disc: 1
1. Ride - Chelsea Girl
2. The Charlatans - Indian Rope
3. Northside - Shall We Take A Trip?
4. Flowered Up - It's On
5. New Fast Automatic Daffodils - Big
6. Slowdive - Catch The Breeze
7. Curve - Ten Little Girls
8. Kitchens Of Distinction - Prize
9. Pale Saints - Throwing Back The Apple
10. Family Cat - Place With A Name
11. Senseless Things - Is It Too Late?
12. Mega City Four - Words That Say
13. Teenage Fanclub - Everything Flows
14. Silverfish - Big Bad Baby Pig Squeal
15. Daisy Chainsaw - Love Your Money
16. Voodoo Queens - Supermodel Superficial
17. Cornershop - Waterlogged

Disc: 2
1. S*M*A*S*H - Real Surreal
2. These Animal Men - Speeed King
3. Blessed Ethel - Rat
4. Suede - The Drowners
5. The Auteurs - Showgirl
6. Elastica - Stutter
7. Sleeper - Alice In Vain
8. Tiny Monroe - VHF 855V
9. Whiteout - Starrclub
10. China Drum - Wuthering Heights
11. Snuff - Caught In Session
12. 60Ft Dolls - Happy Shopper
13. Salad - Drink The Elixir
14. Drugstore - Solitary Party Groover
15. Ash - Uncle Pat
16. Northern Uproar - Rollercoaster
17. Perfume - Lover
18. Mansun - Take It Easy Chicken
19. The Bluetones - Are You Blue Or Are You Blind?

Disc: 3
1. Bis - School Disco
2. Travis - All I Want To Do Is Rock
3. Catatonia - Sweet Catatonia
4. Marion - Violent Men
5. Audioweb - Sleeper
6. Rialto - Monday Morning 5:19
7. Tiger - Race
8. Strangelove - Greatest Show On Earth
9. Animals That Swim - Pink Carnations
10. Linoleum - Dissent
11. Scarfo - Alkaline
12. Kenickie - Come Out 2nite
13. Helen Love - Does Your Heart Go Boom
14. Jocasta - Go
15. Livingstone - Good Intentions
16. Geneva - No-One Speaks
17. Whipping Boy - When Were Young
18. Earl Brutus - Life's Too Long

Disc: 4
1. Arab Strap - The First Big Weekend
2. Mogwai - New Paths To Helicon Part 1
3. Idlewild - Satan Polaroid
4. Symposium - The Answer To Why I Hate You
5. 3 Colours Red - This Is My Hollywood
6. The Delgados - Pull The Wires From The Wall
7. The Beta Band - Dry The Rain
8. The Hitchers - Strachan
9. Wubble U - Bit Like You
10. Ten Benson - The Claw
11. Clinic - I.P.C. Subeditors Dictate Our Youth
12. Cay - Better Than Myself
13. Cable - Freeze The Atlantic
14. Seafood - This Is Not An Exit
15. Llama Farmers - Paper Eyes
16. Ultrasound - Stay Young
17. Morgan - Miss Parker (The Dust Brothers Mix)

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2019 10:21 (five years ago) link

already discussed on a Dom revive:

For ILM's Lamacq Hating Contingent...

sans lep (sic), Thursday, 17 January 2019 10:51 (five years ago) link

xp epic scrolldown post

kinder, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link

I'd forgotten Miss Parker! sure it's on a c90 somewhere

kinder, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link


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