Alice Cooper - Classic or Dud?

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i just saw the clip for Poison on tv and i suddenly realised that even if i don't like the vast majority of his music, i actually think Alice himself is pretty great.

umop apisdn (umop apisdn), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

CLASSIC

til 75

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

"Does his guy know how to party or what!?"

(stunned expression)

"Huh? Eh?"

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

there's only like three people who were better at writing teen anthems than him

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

chuck berry, shadow morton, skee-lo

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

I like Alice Cooper as a band, never cared much about the solo-stuff. Albums like Killer, School's Out (an underrated rock-classic, really - this is no novelty but right up there amongst Bowie, Dylan, Young, Stooges, VU, you name it) & Billion Dollar Babies are Classic.

Roger in M., Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:20 (twenty years ago) link

I loved everything through Billion Dollar Babies, and didn't care much at all for anything after that. Was never really sure whether that had to do with me growing out of my Alice Cooper phase, or him starting to suck. A little of both, probably.

I hear that both he and Iggy Pop are quite good golfers.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Classic up through Flush the Fashion (Alice goes "new wave"), somewhat embarassing but still tirelessly lovable after that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

You know, I thought he was supposed to be kinda smart (or maybe that's just because of Wayne's World), but I saw a little bit of that Celebrity Spelling Bee in a hotel room and he had no fucking clue on a relatively easy one.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

The one after Flush the Fashion (Special Forces) isn't all that bad either. And after Billion Dollar Babies was Muscle of Love, which also had its uses (and a cardboard box.) I'll say Essential up until Greatest Hits.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

I think I've said this on another AC thread, but when I was 12/13 (in 1990) the only two albums that me and my friends listened to were Billion Dollar Babies and The Great Rock & Roll Swindle.
Then we met girls.
But I will always love BDB. GRRS, not so much.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

Classic thru Side One of "School's Out", mostly dud thereafter, except for the occasional great track.

Myonga Von Bontee, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

His music is okay but it's kind of depressing to see someone stuck for so long with such a mannered stage act.

His adverts with Ronnie Corbett were good though.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

Well, be fair....Alice did try other things, but none of them seemed to really gel. By this stage in the game, one can't blame him for sticking with an arguably working formula (although his last album seems to imply that he was 'down' with the garage rock scene, which suggests some fuzzy math).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

Elected is a great track

pete s, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Classic all the way. When I was a teen, I loved Coop's whole gory shock rock thing, and songs like "Dwight Fry" and "Dead Babies", but the tamer Billion Dollar Babies has always been the one I liked the most.

Alice's Greatest Hits from the mid-70s is one of the great rock & roll best-of compilations.

abegrand, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

Dave Queen on Alice's new LP (easily his best since *Flush the Fashion,* btw, the garage revival having inspired his conciseness and humor and hookmaking skills better than anything since new wave) (and *Flush the Fashion* finishes 3rd behind *Love it to Death* and *Killer* in my book, by the way) (not counting *Greatest Hits,* obviously, one of the greatest greastest hits albums ever made):

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0408/queen.php

his best song ever is "Teenage Lament '74," in case anybody wonders.

His late '70s muppet show ballads are also very underrated.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

Classic for being immortalized by Salvador Dali in a hologram (Alice is wearing a diaper and carrying a scepter!)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

Screws are gleefully tightened on high culture again with "This House Is Haunted" 's equation of Euro-textures with horror films—the same fate that awaited 12-tone serialism, to no one's surprise save clueless classical composers'

Can someone just give Dave a weekly column? Somewhere, anywhere?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

AC had the perfect rock and roll attitude. There's probably something to be said for when you first hear and see a band that makes it a lasting impression. I was (18) and the time was 1971. That did it for me.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 05:30 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Just bought a lot of his 70s stuff since they were part of a huge discount campaign at a record shop here in Norway, and I just have to say I am impressed. I sort of got to know Alice Cooper through some of this dreadful late 80s glam hair metal and it didn't dawn on me by then how great he used to be in the 70s.

To me, it seems, during the first half of the 70s, Alice Cooper was to the US heavy rock scene what David Bowie was to the UK glam scene, that is, someone who would mix the genre with lots of other elements, plus use irony in a brilliant way to create something so much greater and more creative than anything else within the genre.

It is obvious that the band represents his creative heyday, yet I consider his first solo album, "Welcome To My Nightmare" even better than anything the band ever did. "Alice Cooper Goes To Hell" was also great while later on the solo Alice hasn't been worth wasting time on. Everything the band did from "Love It To Death" was great, with "Billion Dollar Babies" being the band's greatest moment.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 24 February 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir Hongro, damn, you just took the words right out of my mouth. Alice Cooper wrote great, great pop music. BDB is one of the best pop-rock albums I have ever heard; not a wasted moment on it. And I've always talked-up the Bowie comparisons. They were basically utilizing the same approach bu for different crowds.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the Alice Cooper's Greatest Hits record (the one w/the drawing of them in gangster drag) is about a good a record of 70s rock as any that exists on this planet. fucking amazing.

I've yet to get Killer, but heard it at a friend's house and was super impressed.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Alice Cooper -- the band -- were too ugly in their stage drag to be taken the same way as Bowie was in his glam phase. They morphed out of it pretty quick to dressing is lame and silver leathers or such and always looked like college football players, particularly Michael Bruce and Neal Smith, in rock finery. This probably contributed to them not being shunned as sissies in the heartland, so they sold lots, became a big stage draw, and inspired one of the first good biographies of life on the road in a superstar heavy rock and roll band.

I recently traded out my CD copy of Billion Dollar Babies since the Greatest Hits essentially makes a much better listen. It was an early example of a really fine greatest hits collection from a hard rock act.

School's Out was a creaky-sounding Tin Pan Alley theatre and psychedelic album. I never listen to it anymore even though it spawned one of their big singles. The rest of the album isn't like the title cut in thrust.

I don't even have Welcome to My Nightmare anymore. Saw the tour and it was really hokey and dumb. The backing band was a herd of superpro studio hacks and they sounded terrific doing children's music. James Gangs sans Joe Walsh opened and rocked harder which should tell you something.

There was a point in the late Eighties-early Nineties were AC had this bodybuilder playing lead guitar who would flex his muscles at every cameraman in eyesight. The music was terrible but the guy was good for a laugh.

The two albums Alice Cooper did for Frank Zappa are interesting. Pretties for You is spotty weirdness but Easy Action has them turning into an actual rock band. Except for the album closer "Lay Down and Die Goodbye." Zappa wanted them to be called Alice Cookies. It must be something of a minor miracle that they bumped into Bob Ezrin.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 24 February 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Alice Cooper -- the band -- were too ugly in their stage drag to be taken the same way as Bowie was in his glam phase. They morphed out of it pretty quick to dressing is lame and silver leathers or such and always looked like college football players, particularly Michael Bruce and Neal Smith, in rock finery.

This may have to do with them being Americans while Bowie was a Brit. There are cultural differences, and they do come through in your comparision.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

haha george you mean KANE ROBERTS??? a.k.a. the most ridiculous man in rock history??

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/artist/pic200/drp000/p084/p08457y6yxq.jpg

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

the most ridiculous man in rock history??

NOTHING compared to Michael Angelo Batio

http://www.deanguitars.com/angelo/angelold.jpg

I can't find a good hotlinkable photo with him & the quad-necked guitar.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"causing quite a stir within the metal-physical enivirons of Los Angeles."

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

the wierd part is that, as a child, i thought that dudes looking like that was absolutely and totally cool and there was nothing wierd/stupid/jawdroppingly strange about it....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Alice is an artist whom I will defend as classic to the death yet his hits compilation is all you need. I can't think of anyone else that applies to save for artists whose "hits" comp is a box set or a complete discography or something like that.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

There are cultural differences, and they do come through in your comparision.

Of course it does. In places like where I grew up, the hard rock audience thought Bowie was "a fag." Maybe AC got around this by including a pair of paper panties in School's Out. No one thought they might be his.

you mean KANE ROBERTS??? a.k.a. the most ridiculous man in rock history??

I certainly do. And that's one of the banner photos. He's even shaved and coated in vaseline.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 24 February 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't see the deal about a hits compilation. Alice Cooper made concept albums. They work out best with each album played from the beginning to the end. More than anything else, this goes for "Welcome To My Nightmare", which is my favourite by him. Particularly the suite of songs towards the end would be meaningless unless listened to in sequence.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Hell, even "Poison" is great. I don't hear anyone shouting for it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

man, that Kane Roberts picture says more than like 1,000 essays about 1980s America.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I still love Love It To Death and Killer though when I saw Alice Cooper perform back in 72 my 14-yr-old ass was unmoved, it seemed hokey and disappointing esp. when he hung himself. Producer Bob Ezrin deserves a big-up for the flawlessness of those albums.

When I was lucky enough to meet Ezrin a few years back I told him that Mitch Ryder's Detroit (his first big job)was a favorite and he just looked at me like I was insane.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome to My Nightmare does work as a concept album. So does a lot of the stuff that came in the same vein From the Inside, Goes to Hell, etc. But the Alice Cooper band records really do work as collections of generally great hard rock songs they hoped would get on the radio, especially Love It To Death and Killer.
Muscle of Love reverts to that category, too, although it's no longer even in print in the US.

hat Kane Roberts picture says more than like 1,000 essays about 1980s America.

Yeah, he's really rockin' the Sly Stallone/Johnny Rambo look.

The Billion Dollar Babies' -- the band -- album was aimed at a concept and rock opera. The album came out after Welcome to My Nightmare at which point the old Alice Cooper Band was well and truly dead, which is what the label and management wanted. But actually the Billion Dollar Babies box set, out a year or so ago, and -- yes -- there is one, shows it more by delivering the old album plus the original mixes and a raw and ugly tape of one of their few live shows which was still aimed at carrying on themes and directly competing with Alice Cooper.

By that time, the Alice Cooper band could make a good live recording. But prior to that there are none that I can stand. The live material on the expanded version of Billion Dollar Babies sounds pretty lame and the pre-Ezrin vinyl that floats around under various titles isn't good either. The best live Alice Cooper recording of old material was delivered by Michael Bruce with a pickup band in Iceland. He performed most of the favorites old show numbers in 2002 or thereabouts faithfully and live, his voice is almost indistinguishable from that of his old pal.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 24 February 2006 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Just picked up Love it To Death on CD. Previously only had the Greatest Hits. So good.

o. nate, Monday, 21 July 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link


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