I am feeling very cynical about Cee-Lo's new album

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...and I'm not proud of it, okay? But still. I've played it at least three times in the background, and it just strikes me as reverent, respectable roots music. You know, your usual Ten City to D'Angelo retro-soul snoozola. I mean, it sounds PLEASANT, sure. But why are people so excited about this? He's not even all that great a singer!

Please say something to convince me I'm wrong. I kinda WANT to be wrong. (While you're at it, I am also cynical about the Van Hunt album and Goodie Mob's best-of CD, for some of the same reasons. Not to mention the latest Juvenile album, for different reasons maybe.)

I am also, while I'm at it, very very very cynical about the Junior Boys. Who just go in one ear out the other, in case anybody wonders (and their second EP goes out the other quicker than their first one!)

Maybe all I care about now is loud guitar bands again. I'm not sure.

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

i have a sneaking suspicion so many people (including muggins here) like the cee-lo album so much because it's a mid-level popularity radio friendly black boho rap album that avoids undie smarm (for the most part) and andre3000's uh excesses (but that might be just me). it's also the first rap album i've bought in some time that didnt have a request for a nameless woman to perform parlor tricks with her genitalia. which is always nice.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

i heard the cee-lo album and was very very underwhelmed.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

I do want to hear that van hunt rock song that i heard some of on the radio. People like Cee-Lo cuz it's a novelty that a rapper would make a funky soul record, no? and if yer talking about critics, well, we all know how they feel about reverent snoozola music. I still want to hear it though.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

i'm exhausted re. talking about the junior boys though, sorry.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

i tend to remember his videos more than his songs

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

that cee-lo one of him in the woods or whatever from the last album was beautiful.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

It's just really, really listenable, I think. I prefer the Neptunes cuts and the more violent rap-based pieces (his verses on Scrap Metal and Evening News are fucking hardcore) to the boring straight R&B, but all around, it's a good album that's like Andre's record without the chance taking or excess (as jess said).

i like it a lot.

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

i never even really listened to the goodie mob. i always meant to.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

I heard the Van Hunt the other day. I remember nothing about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

I really wanted the Junior Boys to sound like Hall and Oates! Or at least to have one memorable hook where the new Hall and Oates two-CD best of has a few hundred hooks! I was tricked, I tell you!:) (Their first EP at least sounds good when it's ON; second EP, not even that!)

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

and as much as male r&b singers get slept on in the press the fawning over the r&b on this record (which doesn't approach ruben studdard nevermind d'angelo NEVERMIND AL GREEN who i've seen writers seriously mention it in the same breath as) is particularly disturbing, like your sister's friend who says she's into classical music and means john williams and james horner.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, but are the people right or the critics? *hides*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

Thing is, I kinda liked the *first* Cee-Lo album okay. At least it had some songs that jumped out at me off of it. This one is definitely nowhere near as good, as near as I can tell so far.

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

I almost bought a Yukmouth CD a couple weeks ago just cuz his name was Yukmouth.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

You should totally buy the Yak Ballz album, Scott! Because guess what? His name is YAK BALLZ!!!!!

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:01 (twenty years ago) link

Yukmouth is awesome.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

okay, i'm on that too then.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

I keep getting nasal dweeb indie stuff in the mail. maybe it isn't even rap. That Passage album and the Applied Communications album. It's like revenge of the nerds. but i dig it kinda.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and Chuck, thanks for having someone send me that coke-folk narco cd. Grupo Exterminador. That thing rocks.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Scott, wanna write 200 words on Grupo Exterminador for the Voice?

(Did they send you the new album or the greatest hits? The best of has those "El Tiburon" and "El Venao" which are great except I'm probably forgetting their actual titles since I don't know Spanish.)

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, I wasn't actually recommending the Yak Ballz album, which I've never actually heard. I was only recommending his excellent name!

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

This one is De Parranda Con El Diablo volume.3 Si, i could write something. I keep meaning to send you something on that Passage album too but i move so slowly. plus, i had to write about chubby checker and that took all of my not-so-vast mental energies.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

Info on Yak Ballz. I ponder it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

I actually have a Yak Ballz song on a def jux comp, but i don't remember what he sounds like. I'll listen to it again.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

i thought it was Y@k B@llz

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

The long awaited Britpop/Menswe@r/Def Jux/undie crossover.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

I kinda like the Van Hunt stuff I've heard, in that "I heard it on NPR" way. But then again I'm having a hard time reconciling my love for the coffee table techno they play on my Detroit public radio station, too. It's all so...tasteful. There, I said it!

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

is cee lo gay?!

$corpium ($corpium), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago) link

closet freak

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

I've heard some great stuff with Cee-Lo on mixtapes over dancehallish beats tho -- I was hoping the album would have some of that.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:51 (twenty years ago) link

i like how much space there is between the beats of junior boys' "last exit," but it's bizzoring otherwise. what they're doing seems to have already been done better or differently by postal service, erlend oye, laika, half the morr music roster, etc. not that they need to innovate but it doesn't stand out in any way to me. the fennesz remix does his ghostly/overdriven thing nicely though.

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

no problem with cee-lo, though as mentioned above the r&b aspect doesn't have a patch on (even new) al green. timbo totally steals "i'll be around!"

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

I really like this album still, as I've said several times before, and haven't changed my mind about it yet. I like the rap, which is very Cee-Lo and not like Andre manque', and I like the r&b, which I don't think is at all like James Horner, I like the whole thing. No, it's not Al Green, but that's because it's not Al Green, and I thought the new Al Green was the least exciting Al Green album I've ever heard. And it's not Dwele, thank god, nor is it Musiq nor D'Angelo, for which I'm thankful, although I liked half of each of their latest albums. And no, it's not OutKast, which is a pretty good thing, and it's not Y@k B@llz, because it's not d@ngling from the torso of a y@k.

Maybe Chuck didn't hear the songs where Cee-Lo talks about murdering people, easy to miss that if you just play it in the background. And if anything this one is less r&b than the last one...

oh forget it, I like too much music. I must learn to cultivate my hate a little more.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

but you only like half of Voodoo you crazy man!

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

I like the songs that are good, but the boring songs I don't like so much. I bought it off a co-worker, who was all "I like him in the video but I was NOT feelin' this," and I was like SCORE! and I liked it (and even championed it here a couple of times) until I realized that I just felt like it was hard work to enjoy.

So yeah, I guess that does disqualify me on the Cee-Lo credibility front! Carry on, then.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:36 (twenty years ago) link

(last post in reference to Voodoo)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:39 (twenty years ago) link

the key is to skip "the line" and "send it on," which are both well done but total momentum killers.

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

i never realized Voodoo is nearly eighty minutes long! i guess you can like only half of it and still have a great album leftover. bulk releasing works to our advantage in this case.

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

You're unsure about a Goodie Mob best-of? I really enjoy World Party and Still Standing all the way through.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link

well, Rob, I still have it, maybe I'll throw it on tomorrow and see how I feel.

I'm listening to Cee-Lo now, and I guess I get what some/most of you feel about it. Might be a sequencing issue, some of the harder cuts towards the middle/end of the record. I haven't changed my mind though.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

didn't ?uestlove say that Voodoo was like the 'black man's Dark Side Of The Moon or something? which makes total sense to me, since it a) should be about thirty minutes shorter; and b) seems to be about something deep and profound and out there, but isn't.

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 06:38 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAV0XrbEwNc&feature=player_embedded

this is better than i expected from the title (i can imagine it being in something like a judd apatow film) but he seems too in love with himself these days. too much 'arent i clever' smugness in his voice. i know hes trying to hit that retro 60s market with the new album but i still wish he would just go back to the type of stuff he used to do in goodie mob. his believable 'pop' moments are pretty hit and miss.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link

i think its that hes susceptible to way more corniness as a singer than he ever was as a rapper. he needs to get over his dre3000 crisis and ditch the singing.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

wtf r u talking abt that song is great?

plax (ico), Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

that song is cool, i was talking more about the other stuff ive heard that i think is from the new album.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link

This song is just awesome. I have listened to it at least 10x since yesterday morning. "Ain't that some shit!" <3 <3 <3

o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Leftsetz is busy spreading the word about this on his twitter and e-mail, and discussing the youtube and how it can't get on the radio. Catchy but retro and noveltyish imo.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 21 August 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

i feel bad for everybody who clicks on that, but at least they'll know my suffering

thuggish ruggish brony (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

I kinda thought this song would have more of a lasting legacy but it seems (at least, in my parts) to have fizzled. does anybody still bump this where y'all live?

the song was huge enough that people were fightin over singing it at karaoke nights here and now I can't really remember the last time I heard anybody do it. haven't heard it at a party in ages either, or a club (but admittedly I don't go to many of them).

novelty wore off too fast I guess? I mean that's what did it for me - loved the song but now I can't barely stand it anymore, not cos it's a bad song but cos it's kinda like a baseball that's been hit too many times and the core is starting to unravel

idk I got no sleep and was re-reading this thread...sue me

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 April 2014 14:23 (nine years ago) link

at first i thought you meant 'closet freak', i forgot about that OTHER song

j., Sunday, 27 April 2014 14:32 (nine years ago) link

you mean fuck you or crazy?

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 27 April 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link

oh there were two?

j., Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link

was talkin about "Bright Lights, Big City" iirc

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link

This seems like a p comprehensive "no" right here tbh

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link

I can't even remember the last time I heard it accidentally, ie even in censored form in a store or something.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link

it sold over 6 million in the us which is huge, but i haven't heard it in... maybe years now

i still hear "crazy" sometimes

dyl, Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:46 (nine years ago) link

I feel like I heard "Forget You" all the time in supermarkets, Subway, etc., and definitely at weddings, Christmas parties, etc.

"Fuck You", on the other hand, has completely disappeared.

That's So (Eazy), Sunday, 27 April 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link

heard *hear

That's So (Eazy), Sunday, 27 April 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link

still:

What’s the Cee Lo Green philosophy?

“I don’t give a fuck.” But I care the most, so it’s very ironic.

a close friend interviewed him back in the world party days and said he was just an insufferable conversationalist who was constantly trying to make DEEP POINTS in the worst possible way.

i still love the guy in spite of myself.

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link

fake deep definitely feels like a big part of his persona/brand, but when he's rapping it usually works for him

some dude, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link

Opening track of Still Standing would agree

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link

Someone is singin "Fuck You" at karaoke tonight (badly).

People are reacting like it's Christopher Cross.

This song dead.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 May 2014 02:12 (nine years ago) link

I read somewhere that Pharell intended to give "happy" to Cee Lo but somethin thwarted it and he ended up with it for his solo record

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link

it sounds like a cee lo song

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link

it really does. i'm sure Cee-Lo would've sung it better but i think the hammy showbiz aspect of his delivery now would've made it a less fun, less actually happy-sounding record.

some dude, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link

otm

steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:31 (nine years ago) link

surprised a scratch version with carlito hasn't leaked

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link

prob as soon as it falls out of the top ten

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

I can't even

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 June 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link

at least that longer ad you linked says "Cee-Lo's old group, Goodie Mob," the shorter ad they actually run on TV just gives the impression that they're, like, members of his entourage or something

some dude, Monday, 23 June 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link

getting his dudes paid

Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie), Monday, 23 June 2014 20:57 (nine years ago) link

somehow i doubt the money from the group's post-reunion activity is being split 4 ways equally.

some dude, Monday, 23 June 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link

def not but still

Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie), Monday, 23 June 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link

this was TERRIBLE btw

I am shocked

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

some discussion started about that over here: cee-lo's "closet freak"

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 30 August 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link

it really sucks.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 August 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

really weird but also fire

nose, Friday, 17 July 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/business/media/cee-lo-green-strikes-pop-star-gold-without-a-gold-album.html?_r=0

saw this guy at a prince tribute show in between larry graham and the time at the weekend.
he was the worst, obv.
backing band that seemed to be playing/miming to backing tapes.
and topped off by THAT voice, which goes beyond an acquired taste, to a taste which i am trying to make sure i never acquire.

q - how did people back in the goodie mob days ever believe he was the 'star' of goodie mob, and that what they really wanted, was whole albums of cee-lo singing? possibly the worst development to come from the dungeon family.

StillAdvance, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link

oops. meant to link this instead -
https://twitter.com/noz/status/747279777715752960?lang=en-gb
the dream of the modern musician is to become so popular that you can reliably earn money while making music that nobody actually likes

StillAdvance, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

he was a good rapper at one time imo

Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link

i feel like it was mostly Cee-lo who decided that what the world needed was a whole album of him singing. He did a fair amount of rapping on his first couple solo albums iirc. Anyway I wouldn't fault anyone who heard, say, "I Refuse Limitation" and thought he was brilliant.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link

i still think some of the songs on the record with 'fuck you' are good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBhdIcb84Hw

maura, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link

forgot he covered band of horses on that album hah

maura, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link

First two solo albums have so much good stuff

moistest hoist (Spottie), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link

not sure how you could not see/hear why he was considered the star?

moistest hoist (Spottie), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link

yeah the first two albums are really good. Dangermouse was the turning pt.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

it was a smart move monetarily but yeah i jumped completely off the boat at Gnarls barkley

moistest hoist (Spottie), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link

still one of the all time great verses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CssC-DY4lO8

moistest hoist (Spottie), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link

I really loved the first two solo albums, they were such unique things back then, and he definitely was a good rapper with memorable persona(s). And of course it helped that he was still doing rap music (with occasionakl singing) then, not this weird soul pastiche. But yeah, as nice as "Crazy" was, everything that came after it (including the Gnarls Barkley album) was a massive disappointment, and of course that ecstacy roofie rape is unforgivable, I haven't been able to listen to anything by him since.

Tuomas, Thursday, 30 June 2016 08:42 (seven years ago) link

"not sure how you could not see/hear why he was considered the star?"

it was more a sort of 'how could we' question. i was a big goodie mob fan. cell therapy was one of my favourite DF songs. and i liked the first cee-lo album, even the songs he sung back then. though closet freak i thought did not work, and the second album (and most of his solo career) seemed to be inspired by closet freak. i like some gnarls songs. but overall, i think his solo career is a mess, filled with songs that do not suit him (then again, might just be me wishing he would just do what he used to do).

StillAdvance, Thursday, 30 June 2016 09:34 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

one month passes...
#2 this week (behind Gaga)

― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:26 PM bookmarkflaglink

deej was right

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 9 May 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

this is a mom song
sounds like a song a mom would like
with the piano and that "chang-chang-changa-chang" guitar
and a guy singin all sweet over it
your mom's going to dance to it at your wedding
after she's had some wine

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Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link


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