Connect the Dukes of Stratosphear Track To the Song It's Parodying

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The list is as follows:

1. 25 O'Clock (Johns/Partridge) - 5:03
2. Bike Ride to the Moon (Johns/Partridge) - 2:23
3. My Love Explodes (Johns/Partridge) - 3:49
4. What in the World??... (Moulding/Red Curtain) - 5:01
5. Your Gold Dress (Johns/Partridge) - 4:42
6. The Mole from the Ministry (Johns/Partridge) - 5:58
7. Vanishing Girl (Moulding/Red Curtain) - 2:59
8. Have You Seen Jackie? (Johns/Partridge) - 3:21
9. Little Lighthouse (Johns/Partridge) - 4:31
10. You're a Good Man Albert Brown (Curse You... (Johns/Partridge) - 3:38
11. Collideascope (Johns/Partridge) - 3:22
12. You're My Drug (Johns/Partridge) - 3:19
13. Shiny Cage (Moulding/Red Curtain) - 3:17
14. Brainiac's Daughter (Johns/Partridge) - 3:59
15. The Affiliated (Moulding/Red Curtain) - 2:31
16. Pale and Precious (Johns/Partridge) - 5:01

Go nuts.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Ok, duh, I mean GROUP it's parodying...

Braniac's Daughter and Mole are Paul and John Beatles respectively...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

25 O'Clock = Electric Prunes

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Bike Ride = Tomorrow

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Is Bike Ride also maybe a bit Pink Floyd, though? Or is that Your Gold Dress?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Pale and Precious = Beach Boys (I know, duh)

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and: "Albert Browne"==Kinks and "Vanishing Girl"==Hollies

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Bike Ride seems more "My White Bicycle" than "Bike" to me. but since they all take their inspiration from Albert Hoffman, who's to say?

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

You're My Drug - The Byrds
My Love Explodes - Yardbirds + Woody Allen?

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

A friend of mine once pointed out how the little girl talking on "Mole" was actually a rip on some awful early Mason-era psych single of Traffic's.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

I'd just like to interject that these aren't "parodies" per se (more like "homage"). And that this is one of my favorite records EVER.

The Mole from the Ministry - Lennon. Specifically "I Am the Walrus"
Have You Seen Jackie? - Super-obvious: Pink Floyd "Arnold Layne"
Collideascope - clearly a Lennon-heavy number. "Glass Onion" maybe?
The Affiliated - definitely Kinks/Davies a la "Well Respected Man", "Sunny Afternoon". Bit of "All My Friends Were There" with the time change maybe...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

"Vanishing Girl"

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

FUCK the not being able to use greater-than or less-than signs

"Vanishing Gir;" <==== LOVE

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Ok, then, "homage"

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

However, I don't believe there's such a thing as "homaging"...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

i'd venture that "Little Lighthouse" = Love. those horns.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

"Albert Brown" = Bonzos?

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

a bit of googling turned this up. we weren't doing too badly.
don't look if you're enjoying the game.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

I'm enjoying the game.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

this is a great thread, Matt.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Ahh, Big Dan to thread. Surely, sir, you have some obscuro references for this?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

(and I mean that sincerely)

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

i'm out, obviously. but i will say this: the Dukes were not about obscurity. think Rolling Stone rather than MOJO; don't overthink.
also, more than one track pays tribute to different facets of the same band(s).

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

when I was in summer camp when I was like 11 a counselor turned me onto the Dukes of Stratosphere. I got the record a bit later, but for some reason gave it away during college and only remember bits of it. "Jackie...she's a strange strange strange...little boy!" or whatever. I think I remember thinking parts of that sounded like Corporal Clegg! I really want to hear those records again now...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

In some very real ways, the Dukes stuff is better than the records that inspired it. I rarely tire of this album, it's so inventive. It is to 60s psych what late 80s/early 90s hip-hop was to 70s funk.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

I would also argue that while records by people like Electric Prunes and Tomorrow may not be obscure in light of the Nuggets box and the like, that stuff was hardly at its commercial apex in the mid-80s.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

"Vanishing Girl" was the hollies. Andy Partridge said so...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

(I didn't click that link though)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago) link

She's a little lighthouse was going to be an XTC track...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

... for SKYLARKING! Which would've been cool.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

(But also, inappropriate.)

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

From every XTC obsessive's favorite site, Chalkhills, are three different liner notes on "Little Lighthouse":

Album version, 4'24.
Performed by The Dukes of Stratosphear.
Released on Psonic Psunspot.

Andy: ``Little Lighthouse was a track that we started to record for Skylarking. Todd (Rungren, producer) got bored with it, so I thought The Dukes could do it. The Dukes made it sound like a lot of bands that imitated the Stones.''

Demo version.
Released in November 1987 in November 1987 on the Jules Verne's Sketchbook cassette.

Andy: ``This West Coast style blatz was written for SKYLARKING in 1985. It reminds me of bands like `Moby Grape' etc. `. . .Cross the black and fossil oceans vast, I see love and she doth brightly burn. . .''

Also available on Fuzzy Warbles Volume Three.

Andy: ``This was destined for the `Dukes' from the outset really. It was sent to Todd along with all the other Skylarking demos and even though we tried recording it in San Francisco (its spiritual home!), it was never going to fit with all of its pastoral playmates. A rotten quality demo, truly fuzzy, but having a punkadelic flair all its own.''

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

A friend of mine once pointed out how the little girl talking on "Mole" was actually a rip on some awful early Mason-era psych single of Traffic's.

Matt and I just identified this song: "A Hole in my Shoe." The little girl says, "I climbed on the back of a giant albatross which flew through a [something] cloud to a place where happiness reigned all year around, and music played ever so loudly." Brilliant.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, hopefully not THAT music.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

I love this album so very much.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

"bmob mota ruoy htiw flesruoy kcuf og"

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 March 2004 09:28 (twenty years ago) link

A friend of mine once pointed out how the little girl talking on "Mole" was actually a rip on some awful early Mason-era psych single of Traffic's.

Awful? "Hole In My Shoe" is fuckin' great!!!!!!!!!!! Is "Albert Brown" not more of a Small Faces thang? On a different tack, I remember reading an interview with Partridge about the DOS albums where he mentioned "The Universal" by Small Faces - I don't know what song it was in connection with.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 19 March 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

"Hole In My Shoe," for all its charms, is not fuckin' great.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 19 March 2004 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yes it fuckin' is.

Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 20 March 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

You wanna fuckin' fight?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 20 March 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Hahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 20 March 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

What you laffin' at? You want some too?

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 21 March 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, don't fuck with Alex -- he's from New York. They have switchblades and shit there.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 21 March 2004 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Nobody has yet mentioned the song I'm reviving this thread for. Since yesterday I've listened to it over twenty times and it just keeps getting better and better: Colin Moulding's 'What In The World??...'. I can't really compare it to anything except perhaps The Beatles' more Eastern-inflected tracks, although it seems to have laid out the blueprint for The Olivia Tremor Control's entire recorded output. The moment the verse kicks in, and the bassline during that verse, and everything about that verse is the soundtrack to walking down the street of a town you know well on a mellow afternoon, and loving every single minute of it. It's an incredible track, and I'm shocked that it isn't more widely celebrated. S'got pretty good lyrics as well.

Scourage (Haberdager), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's like "Taxman" played at 16 rpm.

So!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Except it makes 'Taxman' look 2-D. The sheer bulk and extravagance of the sound does quite awesome things to my head. And the bassline is much, much better.

Scourage (Haberdager), Monday, 21 August 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a book which goes through the Dukes output song by song with commentary from the band, offering insights into the inspiration behind the individual songs.

XTC: Song Stories by Neville Farmer

More info on chalkhills.

http://chalkhills.org//images/press/SongStories.jpg

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Gregory appears to have grown a truly worrying moustache in that picture.

Scourage (Haberdager), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes and Andy Partridge appears to be truly worried about it

dud'Hab'c'Deva To You (With ReGard) (Dada), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't really compare it to anything except perhaps The Beatles' more Eastern-inflected tracks,

the bassline is straight outta "rain"...so it's like "rain" with "tomorrow never knows" tape fun on top.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link

25 O'CLOCK: I Had Too Much To Dream (Last Night) by THE ELECTRIC PRUNES and hints by early Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd (See Emily Play), Incence And Peppermint by Strawberry Alarm Clock, Paint It Black by The Stones and lyrics of The Time Has Come Today by The Chambers Brothers.
BIKE RIDE TO THE MOON: My White Bicycle by TOMORROW, a lot of ealy MOVE songs like Yellow Rainbow, I Can Hear The Grass Grow, Cherry Blossom Clinic (i'd like to ride my bycicle on the moon...), Bike by Pink Floyd and the gnome effect voice is more Scream Thy Last Scream of a Barrett next to departure then Bowie's Laughing Ghnome...
MY LOVE EXPLODES is cross Over Under Sidways Down by The Yardbirds and early Pretty Things and a lot similar bands with Bo Diddley sound like Blues Magoos (Rush Hour), Chocolate Watch Band (In The Past), The Electric Prunes (Get Me To The World On Time), The Monkees (Last Train To Clarksville) and The Misunderstood.
WHAT IN THE WORLD has fragments and offal of Only A Northern Song and It's All Too Much by The Beatles and specially 20000 Light Years From Home. The lyrics come from In The Year 2525 by Zager & Evans psychedelic folk duo with a hint of Semi Detached Suburban Mr James by Manfred Mann.
YOUR GOLD DRESS start with gregorian chorus a la Yardbirds (Turn To Earth) and a bass line a la Troggs (Night Of The Long Grass). The refrain is in the same style of She's A Rainbow or Auntie Mary's Dress Shop by Tomorrow (and some Kinks songs with Nicky Hopkins piano session).
THE MOLE FROM THE MINISTRY IS OBVIOUS the WALRUS of Lennon cross We Are The Moles (Part 1) with final a la Strawberry Fields Forever. And maybe a hint of Hole In my Shoe by Traffic.
VANISHING GIRL is of course a lot of HOLLIES songs (Look Throw Any Window, You Need Love, On A Carousel, etc...).
HAVE YOU SEEN JACKIE is a Barrett tribute, ARNOLD LAYNE in particolar way. And Humanoid Boogie by The Bonzo Dog Band is also a strong reference.
THE LITTLE LIGHTHOUSE is the most west coast Duke song (with You're My Drug). It starts in the same way of Song Of Our Ancestors by The Steve Miller Band (the sirens of ships on the bay...) and it sounds like The Golden Road by The Grateful Dead, Mr Soul by Buffalo Springfield, the trumpet of Alone Again Or by Love and a final a la 19th Nervous Breakdown by The Stones!!
GOOD MAN ALBERT BROWN is a psychopub masterpiece. It's like some Kinks songs (Mr Pleasent, Tin Soldier Man), The Small Faces (Happy Days Toytown, The Universal, Rene, Lazy Sunday), The Bonzos (The Equestrian Statute), Pink Floyd (Corporal Clegg), Over The Wall We Go by Bowie/Oscar, Procol Harum (Captain Clack), Cream (Mother's Lament) and mny many others songs by the same style.
COLLIDEASCOPE is The Move who steal by The Beatles. It has the chords of Blackberry Way and the style of Being Of Benefit Of Mr Kite and Hey Bulldog!
YOU'RE MY DRUG is a cross of So You Want To Be A Rock'N'Roll by THE BYRDS and Monterey by ERIC BURDON & THE ANIMALS.
SHINY CAGE is all Revolver album in one song. I'm Only Sleeping is the most reference here.
BRAINIAC'S DAUGHTER is a way to play like Mc Cartney in 1967/68. It's like Lovely Rita, Lady Madonna, etc...
THE AFFILIATED has Ray Davies style with Concrete And Clay by The Unite 4+2 in the mid part.
At last PALE AND PRECIOUS is a Beach Boys fantastic tribute. The styles are different, Surf's Up, Help Me Rhonds, Good Vibrations...

Lewis Tollani, Monday, 26 September 2016 12:52 (seven years ago) link

25 O'CLOCK: I Had Too Much To Dream (Last Night) by THE ELECTRIC PRUNES and hints by early Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd (See Emily Play), Incence And Peppermint by Strawberry Alarm Clock, Paint It Black by The Stones and lyrics of The Time Has Come Today by The Chambers Brothers.
BIKE RIDE TO THE MOON: My White Bicycle by TOMORROW, a lot of ealy MOVE songs like Yellow Rainbow, I Can Hear The Grass Grow, Cherry Blossom Clinic (i'd like to ride my bycicle on the moon...), Bike by Pink Floyd and the gnome effect voice is more Scream Thy Last Scream of a Barrett next to departure then Bowie's Laughing Ghnome...
MY LOVE EXPLODES is cross Over Under Sidways Down by The Yardbirds and early Pretty Things and a lot similar bands with Bo Diddley sound like Blues Magoos (Rush Hour), Chocolate Watch Band (In The Past), The Electric Prunes (Get Me To The World On Time), The Monkees (Last Train To Clarksville) and The Misunderstood.
WHAT IN THE WORLD has fragments and offal of Only A Northern Song and It's All Too Much by The Beatles and specially 20000 Light Years From Home. The lyrics come from In The Year 2525 by Zager & Evans psychedelic folk duo with a hint of Semi Detached Suburban Mr James by Manfred Mann.
YOUR GOLD DRESS start with gregorian chorus a la Yardbirds (Turn To Earth) and a bass line a la Troggs (Night Of The Long Grass). The refrain is in the same style of She's A Rainbow or Auntie Mary's Dress Shop by Tomorrow (and some Kinks songs with Nicky Hopkins piano session).
THE MOLE FROM THE MINISTRY IS OBVIOUS the WALRUS of Lennon cross We Are The Moles (Part 1) with final a la Strawberry Fields Forever. And maybe a hint of Hole In my Shoe by Traffic.
VANISHING GIRL is of course a lot of HOLLIES songs (Look Throw Any Window, You Need Love, On A Carousel, etc...).
HAVE YOU SEEN JACKIE is a Barrett tribute, ARNOLD LAYNE in particolar way. And Humanoid Boogie by The Bonzo Dog Band is also a strong reference.
THE LITTLE LIGHTHOUSE is the most west coast Duke song (with You're My Drug). It starts in the same way of Song Of Our Ancestors by The Steve Miller Band (the sirens of ships on the bay...) and it sounds like The Golden Road by The Grateful Dead, Mr Soul by Buffalo Springfield, the trumpet of Alone Again Or by Love and a final a la 19th Nervous Breakdown by The Stones!!
GOOD MAN ALBERT BROWN is a psychopub masterpiece. It's like some Kinks songs (Mr Pleasent, Tin Soldier Man), The Small Faces (Happy Days Toytown, The Universal, Rene, Lazy Sunday), The Bonzos (The Equestrian Statute), Pink Floyd (Corporal Clegg), Over The Wall We Go by Bowie/Oscar, Procol Harum (Captain Clack), Cream (Mother's Lament) and mny many others songs by the same style.
COLLIDEASCOPE is The Move who steal by The Beatles. It has the chords of Blackberry Way and the style of Being Of Benefit Of Mr Kite and Hey Bulldog!
YOU'RE MY DRUG is a cross of So You Want To Be A Rock'N'Roll by THE BYRDS and Monterey by ERIC BURDON & THE ANIMALS.
SHINY CAGE is all Revolver album in one song. I'm Only Sleeping is the most reference here.
BRAINIAC'S DAUGHTER is a way to play like Mc Cartney in 1967/68. It's like Lovely Rita, Lady Madonna, etc...
THE AFFILIATED has Ray Davies style with Concrete And Clay by The Unite 4+2 in the mid part.
At last PALE AND PRECIOUS is a Beach Boys fantastic tribute. The styles are different, Surf's Up, Help Me Rhonda, Good Vibrations...

Lewis Tollani, Monday, 26 September 2016 12:54 (seven years ago) link

This seems like a great opportunity for a spotify playlist:

https://open.spotify.com/user/olken2000/playlist/3PHx8IzBEx8AuyXeFDUel5

I'd love to know what else I can add

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 26 September 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link

Nice!

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 26 September 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link

Sweet playlist.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 26 September 2016 23:17 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Oh looky here:

Psurroundabout Ride – C­omplete Dukes’ recordings remixed in stereo & 5.1 Surround Sound by Steven Wilson & approved by Andy Partridge on CD & Blu Ray. PLUS 200g vinyl of 25 o-Clock & Psonic Psunspot also out same day https://t.co/LDPVy2vbfp #dukesofstratosphear #xtc #5.1remixes pic.twitter.com/YN63iAq78j

— APE HOUSE (@apehouseXTC) August 29, 2019

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link

Groovy! Admittedly, I usually pull out 5.1 albums for the occasional stoned listening rather than my go-to, but I'll check that out. I hope the surround mix stays true to the albums' inspirations with crazy effects and room swirling guitar solos etc. rather than just adding "tasteful" room ambiance.

blatherskite, Friday, 30 August 2019 23:51 (four years ago) link

The complete set of demos is the big draw for me!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:38 (four years ago) link

It’s Steven Wilson, so the mix is almost guaranteed to be great.

And agree, those demos should be amazing.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 31 August 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

This does not disappoint.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 27 October 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link

I got mine a couple of days ago with a nice Sir John Johns autograph, haven't dug in yet because half my life is still in boxes after a house move.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 27 October 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

I just got a new sound system and, man, does this 5.1 mix sound incredible. I almost forgot how good this sounds with all the Rick Wright-y Farfisa parts and Nick Mason-esque tom tom parts pattering around your head.

This may be my favorite XTC album.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 9 March 2023 00:04 (one year ago) link

If you've not heard it, the Steve Wilson re-mix disc(s) of the entire Dukes discography really provides a genuinely new listening experience. Seek it out.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 9 March 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link

Ah, I see someone already evangelized same. IGNORE ME (more than usual).

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 9 March 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link

I dunno who Lewis Tollani upthread is/was but I thank them for their service.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 March 2023 14:21 (one year ago) link

Named after a song by Kaleidoscope (UK) is all I know.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 March 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

is the 2019 reissue the Steven Wilson version? cuz it sounds amazing...much heavier low end. I've got 25 O'Clock on now, it's crazy how good this is. I don't think any of the actual psych-era records it's imitating sound as cool as this. this pastiche stuff really brought out the best of these guys somehow.

frogbs, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 02:28 (ten months ago) link

yeah the 2019 reissue is the steven wilson mix

i'm listening to it now and yeah it's fantastic. the dukes records have always been some of my favourite xtc material - i think the real benefit of doing psych pastiche was that it got partridge working in a more consistently pop mode than before

ufo, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 08:59 (ten months ago) link

No slight on the vocals, but the instrumental versions included are absolutely delightful.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 09:44 (ten months ago) link

can i just say how much i fucking _love_ "Have You Seen Jackie?" it's what all of those genderbaiting songs of the '60s _should_ have been but weren't. (Shout-out to "Baby Can I Wear Your Clothes" by the Ted Lucas' group The Spike Drivers, though. I don't know if it's _actually_ trans but I'm gonna interpret it that way.) It's kind of a special interest of mine, and a rewrite of "Arnold Layne" that isn't all "Arnold Layne, don't do it again!"? And it's also a great fucking song? YES, PLEASE.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 17:25 (ten months ago) link

they really do make that "she's a queer, queer, queer, little bird" line work

frogbs, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 17:37 (ten months ago) link

Arnold Layne is literally about someone stealing women's underwear from washing lines, which isn't to be encouraged I would have thought.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 17:41 (ten months ago) link

that's the problem, isn't it? you do a song about a transvestite and they're a "nasty sort of person", a creep who steals women's underwear from washing lines. that's the only way gender non-conformity was ever portrayed. one could very well get the impression that crossdressing is deviant, fetishistic behavior, the sort of thing that only a "nasty sort of person" would do.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 18:51 (ten months ago) link

i recently found a 2cd compilation set by Simon Dupree And The Big Sound.
there hidden in amongst their 60s pop excess were the two tracks by their side hustle - The Moles.

https://www.discogs.com/master/1391336-Simon-Dupree-And-The-Big-Sound-Part-Of-My-Past-The-Simon-Dupree-And-The-Big-Sound-Anthology

mark e, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:01 (ten months ago) link

oh the moles single was one of my faves back in the day, one of the many groups rumored to secretly be the beatles though really i think of them as more being a forerunner to the residents (though maybe that's just because of _mark of the mole_). really underrated group, possibly best known these days because the shulman brothers went on to form gentle giant. associates project 39 lyon street did a great cover of their hit "kites". there are so many great buried gems on that comp, particularly if you're a big mellotron nerd like me. the original "kites" is great too, one of the great underrated '60s weirdo pop songs! "kites" is fun.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:20 (ten months ago) link

Yes indeed. The only problem is the Shulman brothers hated "Kites"!

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:24 (ten months ago) link

and this is why i stan barthes

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:27 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

found Psonic Psunspot and grabbed it too, forgot how much I absolutely adore certain tunes on here. "You're My Drug" especially. something kinda funny I noticed is when talking about these guys I actually start out a bit defensive, like "oh no it's actually really good, they do it all justice", mainly because these sort of throwback/nostalgia projects are so extremely common right now. but back in the mid 80s they weren't! dare I say the idea of a band imitating 20 year old music was actually quite novel back then? like what would the equivilent of that be right now, "oh wow it sounds just like Franz Ferdinand"?

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 02:38 (eight months ago) link

ha maybe. yeah, as much as i appreciate franz ferdinand, i hardly think that there was anything so particular or distinguishing in them as there was in some of the flourishes of haute psych stuff.

maybe it’s the dimming of my eyes with age i guess— nothing of ff seems so “other” to me now. and in 1985, 1965 psych felt totally silly and weird and funny and remarkable to me.

toenail fungus (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 03:24 (eight months ago) link

i know ff was just exemplar not actual

toenail fungus (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 03:25 (eight months ago) link

I don't think any of the actual psych-era records it's imitating sound as cool as this.

July, SF Sorrow, Piper.... all sounding pretty cool to me. No shade on Andy and Co who absolutely love and worship this music, but there is a demarcation line of cringe that while the Dukes avoid, many 80s-present 60s obsessives stop their beatle boots waayyyyy over. And it's a fine line before it's just cosplay.

Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 06:10 (eight months ago) link

*stomp

Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 06:12 (eight months ago) link

found Psonic Psunspot and grabbed it too, forgot how much I absolutely adore certain tunes on here. "You're My Drug" especially. something kinda funny I noticed is when talking about these guys I actually start out a bit defensive, like "oh no it's actually really good, they do it all justice", mainly because these sort of throwback/nostalgia projects are so extremely common right now. but back in the mid 80s they weren't! dare I say the idea of a band imitating 20 year old music was actually quite novel back then? like what would the equivilent of that be right now, "oh wow it sounds just like Franz Ferdinand"?

There was the Damned doing Naz Nomad & the Nightmares, which (just) predates Dukes of Stratosphear and I've always wondered if it didn't influence in some way. I've never heard the album though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naz_Nomad_and_the_Nightmares

Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 06:53 (eight months ago) link

Plus, around the same time, Julian Cope (inevitably) did the Rabbi Joseph Gordan single, so some kind of 60s psych/garage rock revival was definitely in the air.

Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 06:57 (eight months ago) link

There was a short psychedelic phase after punk which never really took off. Brian James had formed "Tanz Der Youth" and labelled it as such, but.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 07:26 (eight months ago) link

Cope kinda cites Nick Nicely's 'Hilly Fields 1892' single as some sort of spark, and that was 1982.

The Paisley Underground filtered over from the states in '84, Bucketful of Brains had already been going for a couple of years and people still had a lot of affection and curiosity for Syd Barret's work as well as the Nuggets era.

Psychedelia was also something that writers back then would attribute to bands like Echo & The Bunnymen and The Cure, it was still in the air I guess.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 09:45 (eight months ago) link

Let's not forget the Damned trying to get Syd to produce their second album... and ending up with Nick Mason instead!

Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 09:48 (eight months ago) link

Talking of the Damned, "The Black Album" is very psychedelic in places and that was 1980.

Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 09:50 (eight months ago) link

We should have a poll, who would have been the worst member of PF to produce The Damned.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 11:05 (eight months ago) link

By 1986 half the US underground bands had put out a record called psychedelic - Project MershZen Arcade ( and the “Eight Miles High” lead up), Meat Puppets, but even stuff like JFA and Die Kreutzen. Always wondered if XTC was even aware, or that was mostly a fanzine-level narrative.

Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 12:42 (eight months ago) link

Around that time I picked up that Naz Nomad from a remainder bin and listened to it twice. It was pretty weak. I should try again.

Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 12:43 (eight months ago) link

had no idea any of this stuff existed, gonna be busy today

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 13:36 (eight months ago) link

Definitely check out Nick Nicely.

Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 14:01 (eight months ago) link

^^^

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 14:14 (eight months ago) link

Will have to get one while they're not mega-expensive

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 20:20 (eight months ago) link

My 83-4 had a lot of soft boys hitchcock and paisley underground vibes, it was def in the air— tho I didnt know naz nomad. going just on college stations and rekkid stores it was so so much harder then

toenail fungus (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 01:51 (eight months ago) link

Cope kinda cites Nick Nicely's 'Hilly Fields 1892' single as some sort of spark, and that was 1982.

"Partridge was feeling inspired by Nick Nicely's 1982 psychedelic single "Hilly Fields 1892", and devised a recording project to fill the newfound gap in his schedule. The rules were as follows: songs must follow the conventions of 1967 and 1968 psychedelia; no more than two takes allowed; use vintage equipment wherever possible."

Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 06:26 (eight months ago) link

Psychedelia def in the air in 82-83. Acid being dropped among the former punks and the post-punks, things like "A Kiss In The Dreamhouse", "Hyaena", The Glove and The Cure's post-Pornography music coming as a wonderful result.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 07:28 (eight months ago) link

Just want to point out that Hilly Fields is strong contender for greatest song of all time.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 09:21 (eight months ago) link

Something I rarely see mentioned in relation to the 'birth' of neo-psych (Soft Boys, Teardrop Explodes, Echo, Nick Nicely, Banshees, Glove, Cure) is the Jam's relevant stuff (half of Sound Affects, Dreams of Children). Somewhere in the very thin pit between would be obscurities like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFWvRQ41Vq8

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 09:25 (eight months ago) link


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