― Andy Jay, Monday, 22 March 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago) link
― JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Wrought Iron God (gareth), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
search also their 1971 Koln live gig, Schneider / Dinger / Rother, 22 minute version of 'Ruckzuck' that sounds like Neu! playing Black Sabbath with occasional psych breakdowns.
also the incredible "Rückstoss Gondolero" TV appearence.
http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/reviews/index.php?review_id=960
― (Jon L), Monday, 22 March 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
During a brief conversation with Roedelius I had during their '96 tour, I asked about the forthcoming CD reissues of 'Durch Die Wuste'. He replied that the original master no longer existed because it had been REUSED for further recording; tape was so scarce at Plank's studio and there was so much music constantly being produced that frequently master reels were scavenged once the albums were mass produced. The lousy Sky vinyl pressings are all we have; I felt like barbed wire was being pulled through my heart when I heard that...
― (Jon L), Monday, 22 March 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 22 March 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Monday, 22 March 2004 23:46 (twenty years ago) link
22 minute version of 'Ruckzuck' that sounds like Neu! playing Black Sabbath with occasional psych breakdowns.
this might be putting it a bit strongly. it's pretty good, though.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link
― (Jon L), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link
In response to the thread question: the first three are classic, "kosmische" rather than the later "roboter" music, but good good stuff indeed. Seek ye out.
― Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago) link
I like "Tone Float", it's very stoned & diffuse, a world away from "Kraftwerk 1". Lots of violin, flute, meandering drum circle fun. The filtered flute riff at the beginning of "Milk Rock" is happiness and the last track is sprawlingly good
― (Jon L), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link
― LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:56 (twenty years ago) link
the live boots of mid-seventies Kraftwerk that began turning up about 5-6 years ago, tracks from the first three albums played live alongside 'autobahn'. 'Concert Classics' is the best of them, but I've never been entirely disappointed by the mid-70's recordings.
― (Jon L), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 02:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 02:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy Jay, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 06:10 (twenty years ago) link
soulseek?
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 07:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 07:34 (twenty years ago) link
yes, it's the Ruckstuss Gondolero appearance mentioned upthread, with the Schneider/Dinger/Rother line-up. A differenmt sound again to Organisation or KW1 (and, obviously to KW2), it's beyond free-form. Fascinating historically, but you can tell that without Ralf in the line-up they were headed in a different (and less purposeful) direction entirely.Has anyone ever seen their tv appearance on a show called Aspecte in 1973, as documented in Wolfgang's book? Is this on the boot circuit?
Talking of which, apparently there was a documentary on Dutch tv over the weekend (repeated next weekend, apparently) about the band's early days, including Wolfgang's super-8 films of their US Autobahn tour. Like wow.Do we have any Dutch subscribers here?
As for the original question: dleone hits the nail on the head. First two certainly have their moments (Megaherz, Klingklang and Strom are all among their best work), but R&F is a stone classic. I notice that all KW's LPs are about to be reissued yet again (on Virgin/Astralwerks it says here. Can this be right?), but inevitably omitting the first 3 & Tonefloat. Sigh.
― harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 08:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 08:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 09:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago) link
@Jim: A vinyl-reissue of Tone Float is available at a reasonable price here in the Netherlands, about 17 euros. If you're really interested I can arrange a shipment, but since you're in Australia I believe, the shipping costs may be an obstacle.
@Harvey: I only saw part of the Dutch docu that was transmitted last sunday, people like Electrifying Mojo, Derrick May and Carl Craig talking about the influence of Kraftwerk on the Detroit kids/musicians and indeed an interview with Wolfgang Flür, showing his old costumes, drum sticks and a few 8mm snippets of behind the scenes stuff filmed during the 1975 tour...Luckily, they keep an online ondemand archive of the shows! Realplayer-format, free of charge, it can be seen here, in the Video frame on the right hand side of the page, hit the upper link if you have smallband, the lower link if you have a broadband connection. The first 25 minutes are on Kraftwerk. Enjoy!
― willem (willem), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 09:50 (twenty years ago) link
It's a little frustrating that the clips from Aspekte are ruined by having some guy I don't care about from Detroit talking over them, and mostly in vision as well. Also a shame that Wolfgang's Super-8 doesn't actually document their shows, but seems to concentrate on how tall the Empire State Building is. Still, historic stuff.
To anyone who's interested: Karl Kraftwerk is playing again in London on (I think) May 16th. Highly recommended!!
― harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link
Basically, its a greatest hits of all up to and including Autobahn (LP)
i.e. edited versions of tracks from their first four lps.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:22 (twenty years ago) link
Me too...cost me 3 qiuid at a record fair; Ralf & Florian cost me a pound (I'm not gloating, honestly). Exceller 8 is the best early album imo (albeit a compilation)...although how 'Vom Himmel Hoch' can bve described as a hit is beyond me. To be honest, apart from RuckZuck and Stratovarius, the earliest I bother with now is Autobahn.
I'm a big Kraftwerk fan, but would personally recommend the BBC's Radiophonic Music as a more worthwhile purchese
― Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
That might explain it - it's just synthesized cars and tractors...quite funny really, but it doesn't sound like pop music ;-)
There was also a compilation called "Elektro Kinetic" issued in 1982
Interesting - Fontana also issued 2 very similar comps: Highrail and Autobahn (even though they had a 'proper' album of the same name), each with a different edit of the song Autobahn plus a mix of Kraftwerk 1&2 and Ralf & Florian.
― Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
― harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
Going back to something someone said earlier - "Ruckzack" was the theme to "Newton's apple"? Can someone tell me what this was, because as soon as I heard the song I knew I'd heard it before.
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link
Oh come come, "Megaherz" is great too
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
"newton's apple" was a PBS general science show, intended for kids.
from the kraftwerk FAQ:Is the theme music to Newton's Apple by Kraftwerk?
The American science and technology television programme Newton's Apple used to use Kraftwerk's Ruckzuck as its theme music. This was eventually replaced with a cover version, and then replaced altogether with theme music unconnected with Kraftwerk.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
The LP of this runs too slow by about 10%. At the right speed, it sounds rather more like Neu! (motorik blahblahblah) and is much less sludgy. It still has some of the Sabbath-like intensity, though.
― christmas lights, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 19:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link
I think an early live Kraftwerk collection of sorts is way overdue for release.
Dan Selzer, I nominate YOU to approach Hutter and Schneider and organize the next Acute release. :)
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link
I have...powers.
(You can compare the studio version of "Ruckzuck" with the live one; the difference is roughly 2 semitones, or about 10%. It just sounds right at the corrected speed, somehow.)
― christmas lights, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy Jay, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:36 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.kraftworld.hpg.ig.com.br/discog/live-p.html
― (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago) link
the above link's broken somehow, this should work
http://www.valand.gu.se/dm/students/andreas/kw_skivor/tracks.html
― (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy Jay, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:42 (twenty years ago) link
― zappi (joni), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― willem, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
― am0n, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I've never found the 'other 71-bootleg' milton mentions upthread, this looks like a clip from it - great audio and visual quality, only too short!
― willem, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, that's the first track on 'Kraftwerk !/2'. didn't even expect there'd be another kraftneu! video after 'truckstop gondolero'. so that whole bootleg is compiled entirely from the WDR TV clips
'Kraftwerk !/2' is at least as amazing as 'K4', the only reason I can think of why people aren't talking as much about it is that it's got a completely ungoogle-able title
I really have to hunt down a DVD of all those krautrock WDR clips, youtube is not enough
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
God, that track is amazing... I need to check out these boots.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 19 July 2007 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Florian looked already like an android.
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 19 July 2007 08:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I just downloaded:
REMASTERKraftwerk K4 (Bremen Radio 1971) {SEIDR 026}Gondel Kino, Bremen, Germany June 25, 1971 ---------------Source: Zomb post by 'toadinohio' who kindly agreed to this remaster - thanks !! http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=9499Also to be found here on Dime: post by 'humanoidboo' http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=99855Stereo Soundboard RecordingLineage: Reel(M) -> DAT (x) -> private CDR -> EAC (secure, test & copy) -> FLAC _____________________________________________________Changes made (Nero 7): Reduced right channel to 85% on all tracks Deleted the gaps between tracks Cross-faded most tracks to smooth out transitions Fixed lots of balance & volume fluctuations within tracks Fixed right-channel bias of applauseTransfer: Flac > Nero > CDRW > EAC > FlacFrontend (level 6)Quality: EX -------------This is an extremely rare early version of Kraftwerk, includin the founders of Neu! It is a far heavier guitar-driven performance than the later synth-based group and sounds closer to Amon Duul.I did a fair bit of tidying up (details above), so what was already a great sounding recording is now quite superb, so......Grab this jewel quick !!01. Heavy Metal Kids (07:51) 02. K1 (15:34) 03. K2 (Ruckzuck) (19:09) 04. K3 (15:09) 05. K4 (11:29)Total playing time: 69:15Original info --------------- Comments by littlebear:There isn't any extra information about this this unofficial release either in the liner notes or on the interweb thing - however, as you listen it becomes obvious that this is indeed a recording of the rather short-lived lineup of Kraftwerk that includes Michael Rother and Klaus Dinger in its ranks! That's right - Neu! as part of Kraftwerk!!! Are you still reading? Why aren't you downloading instead?! :PIt's basically a whole CD of extended "side-long" jams in the style of the first Kraftwerk albums performed in front of a small but enthusiastic audience and broadcast on Bremen Radio in 1971. The members of Neu! really take a forward role here, with Rother's guitar driving things for most of the time and sounding quite rocking, with glimpses of his future soaring melodic sound in the extended jam passages. The guitar and drums are backed up by synth and I believe organ bass, with notable exceptions of flute taking the forefront on the great version of Ruckzack (from the first Kraftwerk LP) and is it distorted electric violin on K4? Maybe just Rother taking a violin bow to his guitar strings! Proto-Kraftwerk and proto-Neu! It's exciting stuff, and on top of that the sound quality is excellent - a professional radio recording.How has this recording not become better known over the past 35 years since it was made?! I don't know. It appears to be a newly released CDR edition with good-quality (but privately printed) packaging. Maybe it has stayed in the Radio Bremen archives until now? If you're sceptical about the authenticity I'm sure a listen will persuade you... and hearing someone in the crowd shout "Michael!" in the last second of the recording is the icing on the cake 8-) _____________________________________________________Ripped, encoded & seeded by littlebear, June 13, 2006
Kraftwerk K4 (Bremen Radio 1971) {SEIDR 026}
Gondel Kino, Bremen, Germany June 25, 1971 ---------------
Source: Zomb post by 'toadinohio' who kindly agreed to this remaster - thanks !! http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=9499
Also to be found here on Dime: post by 'humanoidboo' http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=99855
Stereo Soundboard Recording
Lineage: Reel(M) -> DAT (x) -> private CDR -> EAC (secure, test & copy) -> FLAC _____________________________________________________
Changes made (Nero 7): Reduced right channel to 85% on all tracks Deleted the gaps between tracks Cross-faded most tracks to smooth out transitions Fixed lots of balance & volume fluctuations within tracks Fixed right-channel bias of applause
Transfer: Flac > Nero > CDRW > EAC > FlacFrontend (level 6)
Quality: EX -------------
This is an extremely rare early version of Kraftwerk, includin the founders of Neu! It is a far heavier guitar-driven performance than the later synth-based group and sounds closer to Amon Duul.
I did a fair bit of tidying up (details above), so what was already a great sounding recording is now quite superb, so...
...Grab this jewel quick !!
01. Heavy Metal Kids (07:51) 02. K1 (15:34) 03. K2 (Ruckzuck) (19:09) 04. K3 (15:09) 05. K4 (11:29)
Total playing time: 69:15
Original info --------------- Comments by littlebear:
There isn't any extra information about this this unofficial release either in the liner notes or on the interweb thing - however, as you listen it becomes obvious that this is indeed a recording of the rather short-lived lineup of Kraftwerk that includes Michael Rother and Klaus Dinger in its ranks! That's right - Neu! as part of Kraftwerk!!! Are you still reading? Why aren't you downloading instead?! :P
It's basically a whole CD of extended "side-long" jams in the style of the first Kraftwerk albums performed in front of a small but enthusiastic audience and broadcast on Bremen Radio in 1971. The members of Neu! really take a forward role here, with Rother's guitar driving things for most of the time and sounding quite rocking, with glimpses of his future soaring melodic sound in the extended jam passages. The guitar and drums are backed up by synth and I believe organ bass, with notable exceptions of flute taking the forefront on the great version of Ruckzack (from the first Kraftwerk LP) and is it distorted electric violin on K4? Maybe just Rother taking a violin bow to his guitar strings! Proto-Kraftwerk and proto-Neu! It's exciting stuff, and on top of that the sound quality is excellent - a professional radio recording.
How has this recording not become better known over the past 35 years since it was made?! I don't know. It appears to be a newly released CDR edition with good-quality (but privately printed) packaging. Maybe it has stayed in the Radio Bremen archives until now? If you're sceptical about the authenticity I'm sure a listen will persuade you... and hearing someone in the crowd shout "Michael!" in the last second of the recording is the icing on the cake 8-) _____________________________________________________
Ripped, encoded & seeded by littlebear, June 13, 2006
and also have access to
KRAFTWERK RUCKZUCK! Recorded at Photokina, Koln, 12th June 19711. Ruckstoss Gondolero (11.15) [REMOVED!] 2. Vom Himmel Hoch (16.43) 3. Stratovarius (6.01) 4. Ruckzuck (22.16)Lineage:Vinyl LP >CDR>WAV>FLAC Level 8>You!Here’s some (very) vintage Kraftwerk from 1971, the sixth of my series of KW torrents.I obtained this white vinyl LP (cat. no. KWRZ 75). Today I transferred it to CD, using a Linn Sondek LP12 turntable (with Cirkus upgrade and a Linn Lingo 2 power supply) with a Linn Ittok LVIII arm and an Esco rebuild Linn Klyde moving coil cartridge, through a Hi-Capped Naim 72 pre-amp (equipped with Naim K phono boards) and Chord Chrysalis cables, to a Marantz DR700 CD recorder. No remastering, declicking or other fiddling with the files was done at all.The first track (recorded at the Beat Club) has been removed as it has been officially released.An interesting gig – Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother, later of the mighty Neu! were still with the band at this time.Download, listen, enjoy, but don’t be an arsewipe money-grabbing Thatcherite breadhead and sell this on eBay or at a Camden Market bootleg stall. Do not encode to MP3 or other crap lossy formats!‘Werkers of the world unite!
1. Ruckstoss Gondolero (11.15) [REMOVED!] 2. Vom Himmel Hoch (16.43) 3. Stratovarius (6.01) 4. Ruckzuck (22.16)
Lineage:Vinyl LP >CDR>WAV>FLAC Level 8>You!
Here’s some (very) vintage Kraftwerk from 1971, the sixth of my series of KW torrents.
I obtained this white vinyl LP (cat. no. KWRZ 75). Today I transferred it to CD, using a Linn Sondek LP12 turntable (with Cirkus upgrade and a Linn Lingo 2 power supply) with a Linn Ittok LVIII arm and an Esco rebuild Linn Klyde moving coil cartridge, through a Hi-Capped Naim 72 pre-amp (equipped with Naim K phono boards) and Chord Chrysalis cables, to a Marantz DR700 CD recorder. No remastering, declicking or other fiddling with the files was done at all.
The first track (recorded at the Beat Club) has been removed as it has been officially released.
An interesting gig – Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother, later of the mighty Neu! were still with the band at this time.
Download, listen, enjoy, but don’t be an arsewipe money-grabbing Thatcherite breadhead and sell this on eBay or at a Camden Market bootleg stall. Do not encode to MP3 or other crap lossy formats!
‘Werkers of the world unite!
as well as a handful of other shows between 70 and 75, if anyone wants them. 40-minute Autobahn, anyone?
― Stevie D, Thursday, 19 July 2007 08:32 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgpLAPZEf7Y
Watch Kraftwerk play "Ruckzuck" in 1970! What's great about the video, besides it's surprisingly high quality of audio/video by youtube standards, is that it focuses on the faces of the crowd more than the band, and you can watch the faces enthralled for 2 1/2 minutes, followed by another 2 1/2 minutes of growing unrest and alienation.
― Z S, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 03:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I tend to forget how much I like Ralf und Florian (which I only have as mp3s). So this is never going to be officially reissued? (I can't remember if it was ever even officially released and I'm too hot to read the thread.) Really good cooling stuff to listen to in one's underwear in an apartment that is around 88 degrees.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 19 July 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
supposedly the early albums are being remastered by Ralf, but who knows.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 19 July 2010 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Ralf, he said so in an interview (Mojo, I think)
With Florian gone, it may be sooner rather than later, but then again, K's 'sooner' is everyone else's 'later'...
― Mark G, Monday, 19 July 2010 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa...had to write this all again.
I just gave KW1 another listen and found it much better than I did in the past. I don't think it's great (besides "Ruckzuck"), but the intense moments are great. Very neat album that's a lot different than what anyone was doing at the time. You could say that about KW2 as well, though I don't find it anywhere near as entertaining. In fact, I don't see any value to it outside of "Klingklang", which is not really that good either. R&F is good but seems to me like a knockoff of Cluster's Zuckerzeit in some ways. It's a nice one if you're looking for some ambience. Some of it ("Kristallo") seems frighteningly modern.
The Concert Classics release is great. Something weird happened with the tracklisting though. The one listed as "Morgenspazergung" is announced as "Klingklang", though the actual tune they play sounds like something different entirely.
― frogbs, Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
R&F is good but seems to me like a knockoff of Cluster's Zuckerzeit in some ways
R+F is '73, Zuckerzeit is '74. 1st Harmonia album is similar, tho I think tha's after R+F too.
― Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa, I thought Zuckerzeit was '72. I forgot that Cluster's first album was in 1971 (for whatever reason I thought it was 1968? Even though it's named "Cluster 71"!?)
Either way I'd place it like this - Deluxe > Harmonia debut album (?) > Zuckerzeit > R&F
Nothing against R&F but you should really pick up those other albums first.
― frogbs, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmmmmmmm, I might agree with that but "Ananas Symphonie" makes me not want to
― Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, "ananas symphonie" is an all-time classic. might even be my favorite track on any of those four releases...
― original bgm, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/kraftwerk-on-cycling-3d-spiritual-connection-to-detroit-20150826
What's the story with the reissues of the first three Kraftwerk albums, before Autobahn? When will they be released?They are from another early phase of our work (before) Kling Klang Studios. Maybe when we have time one day, we'll release those, but so far we haven't found the time. We've been doing so much, concentrating on Kraftwerk since Autobahn. That's when we really started with electronic symphonies. We're concentrating on our work now and for the future, so we haven't found the time to really look to the past.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
thats been their standard b.s. answer to that for years
― am0n, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
"Look to the future not the past" = remaster and remix the same 8 historical albums in digital, 3D, 4D, 5D for over 20 years.
Sure, Ralf
He really is the master of giving interviews in which he is very charming and says precisely nothing.
― Suggest Autobahn (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
it would take so much time and effort on their part to hand over the master tapes to someone else to remaster
― am0n, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link
I just get the impression that the band (Ralf) don't like those records and would be more than happy to pretend that they didn't exist. I mean, if Kraftwerk gave that much of a shit about those records they probably would have been remastered/remixed/re-released by now. After all, as already mentioned, much of what Kraftwerk have been doing since Electric Café has been looking to the past. Even Tour De France Soundtracks was based on an old idea!
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Thankfully I have the 1st 2 on OG vinyl. Getting Kraftwerk 2 new and sealed in Tower Records around 1996 after they apparently found it in a warehouse was a real stroke of luck as pre-internet there was no chance of hearing it. I do have one of the bootleg cds of 1 that i got before i got the lp for £30 on gemm.com over 10 years ago.I actually heard Ralf & Florian before I heeard those 2 as a friends big brother had a tape copy from the 70s. Id love to get that on lp with the poster one day.
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I think it's very much that, they don't really fit into the KW narrative and have a sort of looseness and experimental side to them that later Kraftwerk records don't have. What's kind of amazing to me is how few rarities/demos/unfinished tracks have leaked out from these guys - even the handmade "rare Kraftwerk" collections are all remixes and alternate language stuff. Ralf has gone on the record saying that KW never had "unfinished" tunes - I think he just really, really wants to control what gets released under the Kraftwerk name and probably considers those 3 albums a dilution of the KW brand.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, the comic book that comes with Ralf und Florian would be worth the price of admission alone. Even if it wasn't an amazing album in its own right. I listen to it all the time. (I still listen to K1 a bit, but I should probably give K2 another chance.)
Who has the masters for the first 3 albums? Because they bought the Autobahn masters outright off Conny Plank, but did they get the first three as well?
― Suggest Autobahn (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
the 2 I have are on Philips but im sure if they owned the masters they would have milked the cash cow by now
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link
Kraftwerk rarities..
The "Kohoutek" single - proto versions of both "Kometenmelodie" 1 and 2
Two Italian albums that edit the first four albums to one side each.
A promo cd for the big box that has an edit of "Autobahn" that is similar in length to the original single but has some different bits
What else is not in the big box beyond the Min/max album? And the first three lps big.
xpost Vertigo kept the albums on catalogue until the rights ran out, and made another 'best of' right at the end (Elektro Kinetic).
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
obv. Not big.
I do like K2, I admit I skip "Atem" - is that one a poke at Tandpgerine Dream?
Ha, keeping that misspelling...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Some clever clogs on YouTube mixed Atem into Tour de France, which was fairly amusing.
― Suggest Autobahn (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link
It predates TD's "Atem" by a year.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
fair enough. No idea about it now.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
BRUMMMMM
http://40.media.tumblr.com/fe272ec67af3e9bdb17b4c6524a155c2/tumblr_mltvara6Sx1ritsqio3_1280.jpg
― Suggest Autobahn (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
Its cute!
Can you believe it?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
Ah - didn't know about "Kohoutek". But yes - it's almost all edits of existing stuff that's slightly different, outside of the 83 "Tour de France" they have basically no B-sides or non-album singles. I can't think of another band quite like that. They also have this one newish tune they played at a festival in like...98? But nothing ever came of it.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
There's the Expo 2000 single.
― everything, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
just listened to all three of these within the last week or two, they sure have held up well
― sleeve, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
god, he's like a fucking politician
― Y Kant Max Read (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
Watch out for the autoplay on this page, but it's just an interesting compare and contrast back to the days when Hütter actually used to engage with questions from the press, instead of just dishing out his carefully prepared statements:
http://kraftwerklove.tumblr.com/post/40619222070/new-musical-express-ralf-hütter-june-1981
But you also see, in an interview like that, where the NME is so obviously trying to operate from a political agenda, why exactly he stopped engaging with interviewers or questions.
I'm just particularly into the transitional sequence of Ralf und Florian -> Autobahn -> Radioactivity at the moment. At a point of balance, where they are neither completely the Kosmische experimental band, nor the streamlined, disciplined purely synthesised outfit, yet still somehow both. It's the aural equivalent of looking at charts of animal evolution, except you have bits of things that are missing links.
I really quite respect the ferocious quality control that means that there are no out-takes and B-sides and no sketches, only finished product. It means there is, at last, a finite *end* to Kraftwerk. They're a compulsive artist (and attract compulsive behaviour) and it's rather a relief that it is possible to be a completist with regards to them. (Unless you start getting into live bootlegs, but that is a defensible position to take, to not go there - until someone tells you there's an early unfinished version of Showroom Dummies in Croydon and you have to go and listen to it to find out (despite the annoying reversed channels) because this idea of hearing a Kraftwerk song in an unfinished or sketched-out or only improvised state is fascinating, because it's so rare!)
― Suggest Autobahn (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:54 (eight years ago) link
ILX really doesn't like umlauts in links, huh.
― Suggest Autobahn (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:55 (eight years ago) link
trying this..
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:59 (eight years ago) link
ah well.
lets see
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 27 August 2015 08:32 (eight years ago) link
i probably did the same 'trick' as mark
yes.
Folks, the
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― Mark G, Thursday, 27 August 2015 08:50 (eight years ago) link
I managed to left click the full URL on firefox and got the option to open in New tab etc. which worked ok.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 27 August 2015 09:45 (eight years ago) link
Sorry, it's right click. The left is the main one and the right the less used one. Doh.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 27 August 2015 09:46 (eight years ago) link
http://kraftwerklove.tumblr.com/post/40619222070/new-musical-express-ralf-h%FCtter-june-1981
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 27 August 2015 10:19 (eight years ago) link
that's how you do it
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 27 August 2015 10:20 (eight years ago) link
er, but before you click on it, it's NSFW (music)
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 27 August 2015 10:24 (eight years ago) link